allison and Bubbles
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I am not sure where to post my question or if this will even be seen by anyone as I have never joined a forum...testing testing...can anyone see this?
sorry you are facing this issue. You are kind to take in an older cat who isn't a snuggler. I will let you know that the injections are not painful at all, and they barely feel them. Not treating diabetes however is very painful as eventually it causes organ failure. what do you mean by once you start insulin you can't stop? It's not addictive... it's just that if the cat needs it, they need it. My cat was diagnosed May 2016. She needed insulin for four months, then went into remission for a year where she needed no shots, and then in sept of this year she needed to start shots again.Thanks Tracey and Jones....!I have been researching feline diabetes for five days straight since my 17 yr old kitty Bubbles was diagnosed ...I have serious doubts about whether to start treating her with insulin since as I understand once you begin treatment you cannot ever stop ...here is my concern...I adopted Bubbles almost a year ago from an spca...she may be old but she stole my heart and i have become incredibly attached to her...she however has not returned my affections and doesnt like to be touched or held...my concern is the good possibility that l will need to force feed her twice a day as she has very little appetite (likely age related)...I am concerned she has something else wrong with her as her appetite has diminished rapidly in three weeks and she has lost a pound already...the thought of holding her down to give her a needle is bad enough let alone warming and pricking her ear and FORCE feeding her twice a day...I wanted the twighlight time of her life to be happy and stress free...I just cannot imagine her being receptive to any of this...would it be kinder and in her better interests to let her live out her days in relative peace? She seems pain free and in no discomfort other than she is sleepy and drinks alot...this is almost the hardest decision i have ever had to make...what would she tell me if she could talk?
Hi Allison. Nugget is newly diagnosed like Bubbles. She is 10. We are doing everything we can to follow the dosing and administration protocol of the Lantus insulin in the event that we can get her into remission. She does not eat the wet food like she ate the dry- dry she was a grazer, all day, all night. When she was eating only dry food and got wet food as a treat she would scarf down a 3oz can of food like it was nobody's business. Now she is eating much slower- the wet food will stay in her bowl for a few hours, but eventually she does eat it all.Thanks Tracey and Jones....!I have been researching feline diabetes for five days straight since my 17 yr old kitty Bubbles was diagnosed ...I have serious doubts about whether to start treating her with insulin since as I understand once you begin treatment you cannot ever stop ...here is my concern...I adopted Bubbles almost a year ago from an spca...she may be old but she stole my heart and i have become incredibly attached to her...she however has not returned my affections and doesnt like to be touched or held...my concern is the good possibility that l will need to force feed her twice a day as she has very little appetite (likely age related)...I am concerned she has something else wrong with her as her appetite has diminished rapidly in three weeks and she has lost a pound already...the thought of holding her down to give her a needle is bad enough let alone warming and pricking her ear and FORCE feeding her twice a day...I wanted the twighlight time of her life to be happy and stress free...I just cannot imagine her being receptive to any of this...would it be kinder and in her better interests to let her live out her days in relative peace? She seems pain free and in no discomfort other than she is sleepy and drinks alot...this is almost the hardest decision i have ever had to make...what would she tell me if she could talk?
Thasorry you are facing this issue. You are kind to take in an older cat who isn't a snuggler. I will let you know that the injections are not painful at all, and they barely feel them. Not treating diabetes however is very painful as eventually it causes organ failure. what do you mean by once you start insulin you can't stop? It's not addictive... it's just that if the cat needs it, they need it. My cat was diagnosed May 2016. She needed insulin for four months, then went into remission for a year where she needed no shots, and then in sept of this year she needed to start shots again.
You don't need to "force feed" your cat as long as she's eating enough. You will want to switch to an all wet, low carb diet such as fancy feast classic or friskies pate... no dry food. Diabetes causes cats to loose weight because they can not properly utilize the food... so it's kind of going right through them. Once she starts insulin that should improve unless there's something else going on with her. Many people with "skiddish" cats find giving the injection while the cat is eating is a good technique, and that many times the cat doesn't even notice.
what was your cat blood glucose level at time of diagnosis?
hi Tracy ...wow i have been quite misinformed it seems...as I keep reading and hearing that if they do not eat a specific amount right before the shot of insulin it could be very likely fatal...this is why I have been so reluctant to begin her treatment. .also i have been reading that it can be too traumatizing to the cat and that you must NEVER stop the injections once you start or she will die...omgosh this has been devestating...I am extremely pleased to hear that hypoglycemia is not expected immediately following a shot of insulin if i am unable to get her to eat three whole tablespoons ...is there a certain amount they MUST eat BEFORE the shot or during the day?What if she doesn't eat all day?We have had a few people here with former strays that have found ways to make the testing and injecting work.
It may take time and and a very slow pace. Lots of treats. Is there a special treat that she likes?
Jones free feeds. All I make sure is if he will take a few bites before injecting. He eats all day at his own pace otherwise. I heat Jones' food up for a little bit and put a crushed up treat on it to entice his first couple of bites.
Has Bubbles been diagnosed with anything else?
all these messages on the forum are public... it's just private conversations people can't see.Also can you tell me how to navigate my way through this forum so I can make my message public?
There is not specific amount, but you want to be aware if her eating STOPS or some other change... you do want to have some food on board for an insulin like vetsulin as it can dip... but she doesn't have to eat a whole can or anything. My cat takes vetsulin. I feed her... she eats a few bites... we're good to go. She goes back to it over time... she's always been a grazer. WHICH INSULIN are you perscribed? vetsulin/ canisiliun/prozinc/novolin/lantus/levemir?Tha
hi Tracy ...wow i have been quite misinformed it seems...as I keep reading and hearing that if they do not eat a specific amount right before the shot of insulin it could be very likely fatal...this is why I have been so reluctant to begin her treatment. .also i have been reading that it can be too traumatizing to the cat and that you must NEVER stop the injections once you start or she will die...omgosh this has been devestating...I am extremely pleased to hear that hypoglycemia is not expected immediately following a shot of insulin if i am unable to get her to eat three whole tablespoons ...is there a certain amount they MUST eat BEFORE the shot or during the day?What if she doesn't eat all day?
so anytime you hit reply on here, everyone can see it. if you click on someones name and then choose start a conversation, that's private.Also can you tell me how to navigate my way through this forum so I can make my message public?
hi Tracy...omg...just as we are speaking she just meowed very loudly (unusual) and she is twitching her head slightly...is this something related to her untreated diabetes??? has anyone seen this?...panic mode kicking in here ...helpThere is not specific amount, but you want to be aware if her eating STOPS or some other change... you do want to have some food on board for an insulin like vetsulin as it can dip... but she doesn't have to eat a whole can or anything. My cat takes vetsulin. I feed her... she eats a few bites... we're good to go. She goes back to it over time... she's always been a grazer. WHICH INSULIN are you perscribed? vetsulin/ canisiliun/prozinc/novolin/lantus/levemir?
the best way to prevent hypoglycemia and to catch it before it's scary is to learn how to home test. I actually had an incident in Jan where my cat CC went too low. Thankfully because I test I caught it and was able to get her to an emergency vet. They put her on a dextrose drip (basically sugar water) and she was fine. It was the only time her numbers really caught me by surprise! She was showing absolutely no symptoms, so had I not been testing I wouldn't have caught it. There have been other times that she's dipped low, but it wasn't so low that I couldn't steer it up with some high carb food. Hypos can happen for a number of reasons: if the cat's pancreas starts working a bit (which is what happened to my cat) and it dips lower then expected... if the dose is too high... if the bg was low at the time of the shot and the person didn't test beforehand...lol...thx Janet...I dont know how i even created a private convo...lots to learn here...not too savvy with forums...do you worry if your cat has not enough before the shot...have you ever heard of this sending a cat into diabetic shock...?i believe its called hypoglycemia? and have you ever heard of any reason specifically DURING the ongoing treatment for diabetes that this could happen and why?
not really sure... let me tag a few people... @Kris & Teasel , @Chris & Chinahi Tracy...omg...just as we are speaking she just meowed very loudly (unusual) and she is twitching her head slightly...is this something related to her untreated diabetes??? has anyone seen this?...panic mode kicking in here ...help
did she just twitch once, or is she still doing it.? I'm not sure what that is... but if you are worried then please call your vethi Tracy...omg...just as we are speaking she just meowed very loudly (unusual) and she is twitching her head slightly...is this something related to her untreated diabetes??? has anyone seen this?...panic mode kicking in here ...help
No... I said she can eat all throughout the day and night, just pick up the food 2 hours prior to the preshot test (when/if) you decide to test. Some people are told they should only feed twice a day.hi Janet...wow this is almost too much for one single lady whos not home much...I do not know what to do...she has to eat two hrs before each shot? And at any time she can go hypo or hyperglycemic? leading to seizures and possibly death??What? Does everyone test the BG level before every shot?
I promise you it's not as bad as you are imagining. First master getting your shot routine down. Pick two times 12 hours apart to inject.hi Janet...wow this is almost too much for one single lady whos not home much...I do not know what to do...she has to eat two hrs before each shot? And at any time she can go hypo or hyperglycemic? leading to seizures and possibly death??What? Does everyone test the BG level before every shot?
hi Kathryn...are you trying to get Nugget to eat exactly two hrs before her shot and also are you feeding her a very specific amt to avoid trouble? how does any busy person keep up with this marathon regimentHi Allison. Nugget is newly diagnosed like Bubbles. She is 10. We are doing everything we can to follow the dosing and administration protocol of the Lantus insulin in the event that we can get her into remission. She does not eat the wet food like she ate the dry- dry she was a grazer, all day, all night. When she was eating only dry food and got wet food as a treat she would scarf down a 3oz can of food like it was nobody's business. Now she is eating much slower- the wet food will stay in her bowl for a few hours, but eventually she does eat it all.
A friend at work suggested squeezing a capsule of fish oil onto her food (that is what she does for her older cats, not diabetic) and she says it works to get them to eat. Maybe that would work for you. Definitely try giving her the insulin while she is eating. My Nugget does not even feel the needle. We started home testing and she isn't even bothered by the ear prick. The needles are so teeny tiny they don't feel them. Honestly, it is more traumatic for the human than the cat.
Go with your gut about treatment, but understand that diabetes just won't go away... she might not appear to be in pain or discomfort but then again, she can't tell you. You can always try the treatment for a few weeks and re-evaluate after that.
You don't want to feed 2 hours before. What we are saying is you can feed as often as you want EXCEPT no food 2 hours before a preshot test. so say you are going to give the shot at 8:15am. You would make sure there was no food available any time after 6am. You would test at 8am, then feed, then shoot at 8:15.Thank you for that...I trust ppl.when they say they promise it wont be as hard as i am imagining...most of my friends have advised me to just let her be and let nature take its course...nothing in me can do this...i wonder if it is truly selfish of me to put her through this...a few ppl have said to put her to sleep and not chance some awful suffering at her ripe age of 17...combine all these things with my permanent short term memory loss...its very frightening to me...taking her in for a second opinion to a different vet...thanks Janet and Tracy VERY much for your replies
hi Kathryn...are you trying to get Nugget to eat exactly two hrs before her shot and also are you feeding her a very specific amt to avoid trouble? how does any busy person keep up with this marathon regiment
hi magic...your comments were helpful to me especially the one that kitties can live til 23....it is late here in Vancouver ...would you mind if we spoke tommorow...?....Hi Allison, I just wanted to add that 17 is really not that old, my Timba-Tyne was almost 23 when I had to put him down and he had a good long life - 5-6 additional years is a long time
It’s pretty stressful isn’t it with finding out suddenly about diabetes...? It blindsided me... I had just taken mine in for a teeth cleaning and they told me she has diabetes and we have to get her sugar under control first. I STILL have to get the teeth cleaning...
It’s great to get a second opinion!!!! Sending good thoughts your way....and to BUBBLES! Yea the testing was something I had to do too... the nice thing about it is you REALLY have control knowing what’s going on with your kitty’s body - I’m working at it with Maji I’m new too
K & Maji
I just thought of something else... the vet can give you something to increase her appetite... this sometimes helps get things going in the right direction...is she constipated? Also I just feed a portion to Maji and immediately give a shot then give her the remainder of her food as reward.
Wow 23 is amazing! My childhood cat Claude made it to 21.Hi Allison, I just wanted to add that 17 is really not that old, my Timba-Tyne was almost 23 when I had to put him down and he had a good long life - 5-6 additional years is a long time
It’s pretty stressful isn’t it with finding out suddenly about diabetes...? It blindsided me... I had just taken mine in for a teeth cleaning and they told me she has diabetes and we have to get her sugar under control first. I STILL have to get the teeth cleaning...
It’s great to get a second opinion!!!! Sending good thoughts your way....and to BUBBLES! Yea the testing was something I had to do too... the nice thing about it is you REALLY have control knowing what’s going on with your kitty’s body - I’m working at it with Maji I’m new too
K & Maji
I just thought of something else... the vet can give you something to increase her appetite... this sometimes helps get things going in the right direction...is she constipated? Also I just feed a portion to Maji and immediately give a shot then give her the remainder of her food as reward.
Hi Allison,Thank you for that...I trust ppl.when they say they promise it wont be as hard as i am imagining...most of my friends have advised me to just let her be and let nature take its course...nothing in me can do this...i wonder if it is truly selfish of me to put her through this...a few ppl have said to put her to sleep and not chance some awful suffering at her ripe age of 17...combine all these things with my permanent short term memory loss...its very frightening to me...taking her in for a second opinion to a different vet...thanks Janet and Tracy VERY much for your replies
hi Kathryn...are you trying to get Nugget to eat exactly two hrs before her shot and also are you feeding her a very specific amt to avoid trouble? how does any busy person keep up with this marathon regiment
Hi Allison,
We have a pretty strict regiment for feeding and medicating. I wake up at 4:45 AM for work, so I get ready, about 5:15 I test her BG with the meter. Then at 5:30 she gets her 3 oz of wet food. Then, regardless of how much she has eaten, at 6:00 AM I give her the insulin. We are just starting, so she gets 2 units twice a day like clockwork. Then when I get home from work we repeat like clockwork. As soon as I get home I test her BG, then at 5:30 PM she gets another 3 oz of food, and then 6:00 PM she gets her shot.
It has NOT been easy given my crazy schedule. I am struggling to adjust, especially to the lack of sleep on the weekends as I have to stick to the same routine even on Saturday and Sunday.
We have gone to 4 different vets, and have an appointment with a specialist in April. It takes a village for sure... hang in there. Give her as much food as she wants, it is okay to give it to her and if she doesn't eat it all right away eventually she will go back. That is what Nugget does, especially if she doesn't love the flavor I give her (she doesn't like chicken- she prefers salmon, the hoity-toity thing she is lol)
hi magic...your comments were helpful to me especially the one that kitties can live til 23....it is late here in Vancouver ...would you mind if we spoke tommorow...?....
I got bad news today from my vet...he says her lack of appetite is most definitely caused by an underlying condition. ..she is 17...this is so sad...the diagnotics themselves ...let alone possible operations will be expensive and very taxing on my old gal...losing hope...i just gave her Cecelia for appetite increase and she immediately threw it up...she is barely eating and in danger of hepatic lipidosis on top of everything else...if the treatment for her underlying condition doesnt improve her appetite ...i am back to trying to force feed her wen she is likely nauseated...I am starting to give up....largely due to the fact that i dont want her in and out of diagnostics and possible recoveries from operations ...at her age anesthics are dangerous too....any thoughts?or ideas on what condition could cause high blood glucose levels?I promise you it's not as bad as you are imagining. First master getting your shot routine down. Pick two times 12 hours apart to inject.
I got bad news today from my vet...he says her lack of appetite is most definitely caused by an underlying condition. ..she is 17...this is so sad...the diagnotics themselves ...let alone possible operations will be expensive and very taxing on my old gal...losing hope...i just gave her Cecelia for appetite increase and she immediately threw it up...she is barely eating and in danger of hepatic lipidosis on top of everything else...if the treatment for her underlying condition doesnt improve her appetite ...i am back to trying to force feed her wen she is likely nauseated...I am starting to give up....largely due to the fact that i dont want her in and out of diagnostics and possible recoveries from operations ...at her age anesthics are dangerous too....any thoughts?or ideas on what condition could cause high blood glucose levels?
thank you magic...its a pretty quiet moment in my life of fifty yrs when I have to make a hard decisionI’m so sorry Allison... I wish I could help...![]()
thank you magic...its a pretty quiet moment in my life of fifty yrs when I have to make a hard decision
Thanks Sweetie...I understand completely... wishing the best for you both...you know in your heart...
....any thoughts?or ideas on what condition could cause high blood glucose levels?
thanks tracey for your support ...i cant figure out how to get on the main forum...i might even be on it...and i cannot keep track of who i have exchangedThanks Tracey and Jones....!I have been researching feline diabetes for five days straight since my 17 yr old kitty Bubbles was diagnosed ...I have serious doubts about whether to start treating her with insulin since as I understand once you begin treatment you cannot ever stop ...here is my concern...I adopted Bubbles almost a year ago from an spca...she may be old but she stole my heart and i have become incredibly attached to her...she however has not returned my affections and doesnt like to be touched or held...my concern is the good possibility that l will need to force feed her twice a day as she has very little appetite (likely age related)...I am concerned she has something else wrong with her as her appetite has diminished rapidly in three weeks and she has lost a pound already...the thought of holding her down to give her a needle is bad enough let alone warming and pricking her ear and FORCE feeding her twice a day...I wanted the twighlight time of her life to be happy and stress free...I just cannot imagine her being receptive to any of this...would it be kinder and in her better interests to let her live out her days in relative peace? She seems pain free and in no discomfort other than she is sleepy and drinks alot...this is almost the hardest decision i have ever had to make...what would she tell me if she could talk?
If you need to assist feed ask the vet for a few cans of AD recovery food. It's very smooth pate and high in calorie. Easily watered down to syringe feed.
Several people on here have also had feeding tubes installed.
Did the vet check for ketones? Given her diabetes was untreated and dangerously high I should think they are highly likely!
Please tell me they at least have the cat sub q fluids!?
if he didn't check for ketones or give fluids you need to see a different vet. Today.
Hi Magic...yes her teeth were checked...no issue there (l was hoping that might be the problem )...I just posted a detailed description of condition as of yesterday...the prognosis is not looking good and I want her suffering to end ...she started losing her appetite three weeks ago and it has become more and more difficult to get her to eat anything including her favorite treats which she has never once turned away from...I get results today on possible pancreatitis and DKA ....she looks like her sweet little self still but has very suddenly developed "sunken eyes" and lost weight...I have been giving her iv ringers every second night with no significant improvement...very difficult day today...I have to make a decision based on everything ...she has abdominal pain and a very reduced appetite....17 is old but I up until three weeks ago she looked like a five yr old kitty...I have noticed very slight "twitching " with her ears and even her head twitches slightly every cppl minutes....its hard to notice but I have been watching her constantly and have no clue what this could be...Cerenia is for nausea but it's not an appetite stimulant.
More important then low carb is getting her to eat something. Will she eat tuna? Boiled chicken? Dry food? Gravy food? Baby food? FortiFlora on top?
Did the vet check her teeth for dental issues?
Pancratitis is painful but treatable. The treatment is ringers daily for awhile, cerenia for nausea, and bupe for pain. I had a cat with it. He felt much better after starting treatment. Took about a week to get back to himself. I'm so glad you went to a different vet.... They will start him on insulin too... Which your first vet should have started him on day one.Hi Magic...yes her teeth were checked...no issue there (l was hoping that might be the problem )...I just posted a detailed description of condition as of yesterday...the prognosis is not looking good and I want her suffering to end ...she started losing her appetite three weeks ago and it has become more and more difficult to get her to eat anything including her favorite treats which she has never once turned away from...I get results today on possible pancreatitis and DKA ....she looks like her sweet little self still but has very suddenly developed "sunken eyes" and lost weight...I have been giving her iv ringers every second night with no significant improvement...very difficult day today...I have to make a decision based on everything ...she has abdominal pain and a very reduced appetite....17 is old but I up until three weeks ago she looked like a five yr old kitty...I have noticed very slight "twitching " with her ears and even her head twitches slightly every cppl minutes....its hard to notice but I have been watching her constantly and have no clue what this could be...