Oh no 424 - Maji

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Sean & Rufus said:
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Last does was 5:30am this morning - then came home 4:30pm to feed and dose but tested first.. tested out 96! So fed but did not dose. Then vet wanted me to test 9pm but tired - tested 8:15pm and 424 - I trust that reading more than the 96 I must have done something wrong earlier - I did get a bit more blood this time... :( it’s like she ate and then her blood sugar skyrocketed I don’t understand
 
Don't be depressed! Rufus had higher numbers for over 3 months, it'll get better! I know it's hard, you want your baby to get better but it takes time :)
 
Sean & Rufus said:
Don't be depressed! Rufus had higher numbers for over 3 months, it'll get better! I know it's hard, you want your baby to get better but it takes time :)
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Thank you... I just think I did something wrong...because I don’t see how any living being can jump in bgl like that ... it’s mind boggling...
 
Unfortunately, kitties can and do rise that much. Once you get a spreadsheet, make sure you post in the Prozinc group to get some help with all of this. Hang in there - you and Maji are going to get through this! :bighug:
 
I’ve tested twice -even 3 times or waited 10 minutes & checked again. If it seems off to you it’s worth another check. But I know you’re just getting started so be patient with yourself. It is depressing at first & it is stressful. You are not alone & please know that it gets easier! :bighug:
It’ll always be up & down somewhat as this is the nature of the beast! That’s why it’s called a sugar dance. I finally got that! Lol
 
Sounds like the tests were @4 hours apart, so very well could both be accurate. Maji may be bouncing from the low 96, +she ate, and maybe the prozinc shot finally wore out. This is why we recommend a midcycle test when possible. A cat can have a high preshot and drop low when they hit nadir, then bounce back up high. Did you give a shot? Remember to give the next one @12 hours after that one.
 
Becky & Baby Girl Kitty said:
I’ve tested twice -even 3 times or waited 10 minutes & checked again. If it seems off to you it’s worth another check. But I know you’re just getting started so be patient with yourself. It is depressing at first & it is stressful. You are not alone & please know that it gets easier! :bighug:
It’ll always be up & down somewhat as this is the nature of the beast! That’s why it’s called a sugar dance. I finally got that! Lol
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Thank you so much ! :)
 
Sharon14 said:
Sounds like the tests were @4 hours apart, so very well could both be accurate. Maji may be bouncing from the low 96, +she ate, and maybe the prozinc shot finally wore out. This is why we recommend a midcycle test when possible. A cat can have a high preshot and drop low when they hit nadir, then bounce back up high. Did you give a shot? Remember to give the next one @12 hours after that one.
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Yes I gave a shot I fed a little first then gave a shot thanks for the reminder on the 12 hours
 
Ok guys... I will begin after this posting on the Prozinc but tested Maji this morning...and she wasn’t as docile about it as I would like but she put up with it...”I will get better at this Maji ~ I promise...”

Her results this morning came in at 205.

I don’t know much but it seems like after she eats even low carb food 2 hourish later her glucose soars
...perhaps this is why it’s recommended that feeding 4 x per day... reduces the yo-yo effect of insulin sugar dance? Is it possible diabetic cats have a overreaction to glucose and eventually with age this dramatic high-highs and low-lows exhausts the body’s pancreas, liver etc and the body just quits reacting? Hence reduction in the ability to absorb sugar? Maji will GORGE if given half a chance literally I feel she would eat herself to death...is that part of the problem cycle and yo-yo effect exhausting her pancreas with age?

Dunno... gotta drink some coffee...so I can start spreadsheet...

BTW she also loves the KIWIpeak New Zealand mackerel & lamb air dried bits... perhaps more than the beef...
 
Magic Johnson said:
Ok guys... I will begin after this posting on the Prozinc but tested Maji this morning...and she wasn’t as docile about it as I would like but she put up with it...”I will get better at this Maji ~ I promise...”

Her results this morning came in at 205.

I don’t know much but it seems like after she eats even low carb food 2 hourish later her glucose soars
...perhaps this is why it’s recommended that feeding 4 x per day... reduces the yo-yo effect of insulin sugar dance? Is it possible diabetic cats have a overreaction to glucose and eventually with age this dramatic high-highs and low-lows exhausts the body’s pancreas, liver etc and the body just quits reacting? Hence reduction in the ability to absorb sugar? Maji will GORGE if given half a chance literally I feel she would eat herself to death...is that part of the problem cycle and yo-yo effect exhausted her pancreas with age?

Dunno... gotta drink some coffee...
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A food spike in BG at +2 is quite common. The insulin hasn't kicked in yet and her bloodstream is carrying glucose from her meal. It's the interplay between level of pancreas function, time of onset of insulin and carbs from food. Insulin is a hormone that influences many physiological processes and kitty's responses to it can be variable day to day and moment to moment within one cycle. By following the testing routine we recommend you're "dipping in" to her system and assessing the glucose-insulin interplay at a moment in time. Enough of those moments captured at various times over many cycles builds up a picture on your spreadsheet that allows you to see her typical response patterns. It's a dynamic, not a static, process and will change over time. That can take a while for a care giver to grasp and come to terms with.

A kitty's pancreas can also work a little off and on and if it's sputtering at a point in time right after a meal, you might see a drop in BG because the pancreas has released some insulin itself. Really complex processes here!
 
Kris & Teasel said:
A food spike in BG at +2 is quite common. The insulin hasn't kicked in yet and her bloodstream is carrying glucose from her meal. It's the interplay between level of pancreas function, time of onset of insulin and carbs from food. Insulin is a hormone that influences many physiological processes and kitty's responses to it can be variable day to day and moment to moment within one cycle. By following the testing routine we recommend you're "dipping in" to her system and assessing the glucose-insulin interplay at a moment in time. Enough of those moments captured at various times over many cycles builds up a picture on your spreadsheet that allows you to see her typical response patterns. It's a dynamic, not a static, process and will change over time. That can take a while for a care giver to grasp and come to terms with.

A kitty's pancreas can also work a little off and on and if it's sputtering at a point in time right after a meal, you might see a drop in BG because the pancreas has released some insulin itself. Really complex processes here!
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Well what HAD happened was it had been 12 hours... since last insulin shot and I tested she was ‘apparently at that point’ 96 but I there may be user error in that dunno. Anyway so I feed 5pm and DON’T give shot then roughly 2 hours later I test expecting a rise and Maji soared to 424 ! I was shocked and depressed, so I fed again as I had divided her food in half and gave shot 8:15pm

Now no food it’s morning it’s roughly 10 hours later and now she’s at 205. I haven’t fed yet
 
Magic Johnson said:
Well what HAD happened was it had been 12 hours... since last insulin shot and I tested she was ‘apparently at that point’ 96 but I there may be user error in that dunno. Anyway so I feed 5pm and DON’T give shot then roughly 2 hours later I test expecting a rise and Maji soared to 424 ! I was shocked and depressed, so I fed again as I had divided her food in half and gave shot 8:15pm

Now no food it’s morning it’s roughly 10 hours later and now she’s at 205. I haven’t fed yet
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You'll figure this out and we can help. Once you get the spreadsheet set up and track some data you'll have a clearer picture of what's going on. :)
 
@Kris & Teasel - I truly believe you are the cat diabetes whisperer- @Djamila too! I’m sorry I threw my fit last week- it really was not about you at all! I always feel sorry forBaby that she runs, hides etc... I took that out on you & I hope you can forgive me! :banghead::banghead: Other personal things going on at home too; but that was so wrong of me to be witchy to you! Please forgive me!! No excuse for that! You could both teach classes to the vets. I wish they knew these things or at least wanted to learn! Have a great day today all! :rolleyes:
 
Becky & Baby Girl Kitty said:
@Kris & Teasel - I truly believe you are the cat diabetes whisperer- @Djamila too! I’m sorry I threw my fit last week- it really was not about you at all! I always feel sorry forBaby that she runs, hides etc... I took that out on you & I hope you can forgive me! :banghead::banghead: Other personal things going on at home too; but that was so wrong of me to be witchy to you! Please forgive me!! No excuse for that! You could both teach classes to the vets. I wish they knew these things or at least wanted to learn! Have a great day today all! :rolleyes:
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Ancient history, Becky! Worry not ... :);)
 
Bellasmom said:
You wanna see crazy numbers look at Bella’s spreadsheet omg, it will be ok, just breathe
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HI Bellasmom and Bella - OK I took a look at Bella's spreadsheet...WOW ok. so it could be like that for Maji too... I FINALLY started the spreadsheet I put everything down thus far...
I don't have the labs with me...I'll have to plug those in when I get a chance...
its pretty cool looking at everyone's numbers... :)
 
Sean & Rufus said:
That 205 is great this am!
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thank you especially after the 424 ! That nearly scared the beejeez out of me...

One question I was gonna post as a new post but easier at this point here...as I will be writing in on the Prozinc one.

here goes: How often are you all testing (with the glucose meter) per day?

I was fascinated with all the spreadsheets - does your cat ever get fed up with all the poking?
 
Magic Johnson said:
thank you especially after the 424 ! That nearly scared the beejeez out of me...

One question I was gonna post as a new post but easier at this point here...as I will be writing in on the Prozinc one.

here goes: How often are you all testing (with the glucose meter) per day?

I was fascinated with all the spreadsheets - does your cat ever get fed up with all the poking?
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Rufus has been lower the last few weeks, so I try testing more often. If he gets below 70 I'll test more. Right now about 5 a day? I'd probablt test more if the strips were less expensive!
 
thank you!! I have to hold her on my lap like a baby butt curled under because if I tried to do it while she is laying down somewhere...she would just leave...so I have to hold her. Wish I had 3 hands.

She was none too impressed this morning with the test...I even gave her a treat while she was sitting that way course she ate that...even in that position. She wasn't too bad...I'm hoping I get better at it...
With black ears it's hard to see the blood I may try the underside although she glues those firmly down now...while I am holding her.

anyway THANK YOU! It's really interesting...
 
Sharon14 said:
Testing will get easier. I can’t even sit in the ‘testing’ chair anymore without Colin coming over for a test. Several of the other cats all come too wanting those treats....:rolleyes:
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You give me hope! She wasn't bad...but she didn't leave those ears sticking up the way she did the night before... LOL

I even used a teeny tiny .33 lancet...too...but she loves the treats after...

I hope my testing with Maji will be like Colin's!!!
 
HI Bellasmom,
Doing o.k., could not get a successful amps test and did not want to push Maj beyond her patience level with me. I discovered a couple o' things:
a) I need coffee before attempting to do this in the early morning hours that she wakes me up for feedings. She licks my hands and my arms and my forehead...very insistent.
b) I need more light in the morning...DEFINITELY need more light...or are my eyes getting bad. Definitely need more light in a different spot.
c) Need to be quicker...efficient...this fiddling around and multiple pokings...ain't cutting it. I need to get good at it...quickly!
d) I need to revamp this process and need maji to make a positive association to this process...so have been doing test runs with no poke but the sitting and handling her ears...she is skeptical...but eats any treat I provide...in any position I put her in...

I'm gonna do a practice session again tonight...I am so tempted to prick but I may hold off. Since Maj is so new to this...and I am pretty darn sure with our 1 u and her high glucose readings especially around 5-6pm, I'm pretty safe at the moment....I think...I hope

Tomorrow morning I gotta get a read on this thing...as the morning is her lowest. I have bought two cans of her favorite HIGH CARB wet foods in case of a hypo emergency.
These are FF medleys salmon Florentine with garden greens in a delicate sauce and then a FF salmon grilled gravy lovers. She used to love those a long time ago...

that's the status...I wish I was good at the testing...I will get better and quicker
 
Magic Johnson said:
HI Bellasmom,
Doing o.k., could not get a successful amps test and did not want to push Maj beyond her patience level with me. I discovered a couple o' things:
a) I need coffee before attempting to do this in the early morning hours that she wakes me up for feedings. She licks my hands and my arms and my forehead...very insistent.
b) I need more light in the morning...DEFINITELY need more light...or are my eyes getting bad. Definitely need more light in a different spot.
c) Need to be quicker...efficient...this fiddling around and multiple pokings...ain't cutting it. I need to get good at it...quickly!
d) I need to revamp this process and need maji to make a positive association to this process...so have been doing test runs with no poke but the sitting and handling her ears...she is skeptical...but eats any treat I provide...in any position I put her in...

I'm gonna do a practice session again tonight...I am so tempted to prick but I may hold off. Since Maj is so new to this...and I am pretty darn sure with our 1 u and her high glucose readings especially around 5-6pm, I'm pretty safe at the moment....I think...I hope

Tomorrow morning I gotta get a read on this thing...as the morning is her lowest. I have bought two cans of her favorite HIGH CARB wet foods in case of a hypo emergency.
These are FF medleys salmon Florentine with garden greens in a delicate sauce and then a FF salmon grilled gravy lovers. She used to love those a long time ago...

that's the status...I wish I was good at the testing...I will get better and quicker
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You'll get there! You've done a great analysis of what needs to happen. :smuggrin:
 
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