Help. Wilson very low!

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Do you have any higher carb food with gravy? Squeeze a little of the gravy out and give that to Wilson and retest in 30 minutes. He is not at a dangerous level but that is low so early in the cycle in comparison with his other readings. The +1.5 and +2 are actually almost the same so he may be Did you get a PMPS test? I don't see one on the S/S.

ETA Sorry just noticed that you said you did not do a PS test. PS tests are very important to know if it is safe to shoot, especially with a food change in the works
 
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I see you have done a diet change a few weeks back. Changing to lower carb foods can often decrease the insulin requirements. As well since you are following SLGS you would decrease his dose by 0.25 units for the next shot.
 
No I didn't get a PMPS. First time I haven't done pre shot test. I have some gravy pouches. Will give him some. I just tested again and he's at 2.5. Really scared now! Might get the honey...
 
Tanya & Wilson said:
No I didn't get a PMPS. First time I haven't done pre shot test. I have some gravy pouches. Will give him some. I just tested again and he's at 2.5. Really scared now! Might get the honey...
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With a reading of 2.5 ( 45 US) give him some honey and a bit more gravy and retest in 20 minutes. You might also want to change your title add the 911 prefix to get more eyes on this. Keep you spreadhseet updated as you go. :bighug:

tagging @Bobbie And Bubba to help as weel
 
Tanya & Wilson said:
I gave him some honey on his gums. Giving gravy now...
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Good. So this is about +3 in the cycle?? Retest in 20 minutes,...the honey should have kicked in by then. It will wear off quickly, but the carbs in the gravy should start working by then. You may need to repeat as needed until the numbers are over 3 mmol (54US )and holding. As I said this is early in the cycle so you may need to continue monitoring another 3 hours or so until the numbers are stable and the nadir point (peak effectiveness) has passed....usually between +5-+7
 
Glad you caught this lower number. As others said, it's early in the cycle to be that low. Some gravy, a tsp or 2, don't want to fill him up in case you need to keep steering for a bit.
 
Bobbie And Bubba said:
Glad you caught this lower number. As others said, it's early in the cycle to be that low. Some gravy, a tsp or 2, don't want to fill him up in case you need to keep steering for a bit.
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Thanks for stopping in Bobbie. I am around for a good period of time except for some short periods away from the computer, but it is always good to have another set of eyes on low numbers. :bighug:
 
Tanya Do you think you could "stack" the numbers on your spreadsheet...put the +1.5 and +2 and +2.5 all into the +2 box with the appropriate reading time. That will give you more space for additional testingsIf you are able to could you go to the US sheet and manually put in the numbers ...use X 18 of the mmol reading for the US equivalent. This will enable people that don't use the mmol system to understand the readings . Thanks

ETA when you add anything other than a straight number in the world tab it does not automatically carry over the formula to the US tab
 
Yes. I'll keep it up to date. Will test again in 5 minutes. This will be +3. He licked about 1 tsp gravy after the honey.
 
Are you going to be able to watch him for a couple hours this morning? So glad you caught that drop.
 
Thanks for the spreadsheet update and the US conversion. This will help greatly if others have to come in to help :bighug:
 
Tanya & Wilson said:
Just tested again. 2.5 +3. Will keep monitoring until I feel he's safe. Even if I am up all night.
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Give some more honey and gravy and perhaps some biscuits. You can crush the biscuits and add it to the gravy to help it digest faster. With about least 3 hours until nadir you want to get those numbers up.


ETA You are not in dangerous numbers, but the numbers are too low for so early so trying to get them up higher would be best
 
I really think the change from dry food to raw & LC wet has affected Wilson's insulin requirements. It can sometimes take a week or so before the glucose changes show up with diet change. For your AM shot you definitely need to reduce the dose..how hard it is to bring him up tonight and where the PS test is in the (your)morning (since you are in Australia) will tell how much to reduce.
 
Tanya & Wilson said:
Just gave him another tiny bit of gravy with crushed carb biscuits. Only a few licks worth. Testing again in 15 mins..
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I would also be giving a little bit of honey as well as long as he is still under 2.8 mmol (50 US) You want the numbers to be at or above this number and holding. With more effects of the Lantus yet to come getting him up higher would be best
 
Tanya & Wilson said:
Up a tiny bit. 2.7/+3.
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At least he is not dropping, but you need to get the numbers up higher. Give some more honey( maybe a little more than you have been), gravy and ground biscuits, but not too much since you will probably need to continue with this for awhile and you want to make sure Wilson will eat


ETA the honey should bring the numbers up faster, but then will wear off quickly which is when the higher carb gravy and biscuits should be kicking in . Do you have any other sugars, such as pancake syrup or the such?
 
Tanya & Wilson said:
Yes I have pancake syrup. Is that better than honey? Should I use this as well?
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Next time you need to use sugar try the pancake syrup. The honey is high sugar, but it doesn't seem to be bringing the numbers up fast enough. I use maple syrup for hypos myself ( I am in Canada so very easy to get)


Have you retested yet?


ETA Rubbing the honey or syrup on the gums will help it absorb faster than orally feeding
 
Tanya & Wilson said:
Just retested. He is 3.2+4. Slowly rising at the moment.
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Good...he is holding without further dropping at this time. However the nadir with Lantus is "usually" +5-+7 depending on the kitty so there is still more possibility of dropping for awhile yet. You can hold off with the sugar and give a little more gravy and retest in 30 minutes. How are you holding up...it is late there for you? You are doing a great job!! :bighug:
 
Just gave some maple syrup and will test again in 30 mins. He seems okay. Even purring when testing. I am trying to keep calm. Heart still pounding. It's 11.35pm here now. Not much sleep for me tonight. To top it all off I have an appointment with my dogs surgeon at 8.30 in the morning. He is recovering from TPLO surgery. (Knee reconsruction). Then off to work. All happening here at the moment with the animals...who needs kids..lol.
 
Tanya & Wilson said:
Just gave some maple syrup and will test again in 30 mins. He seems okay. Even purring when testing. I am trying to keep calm. Heart still pounding. It's 11.35pm here now. Not much sleep for me tonight. To top it all off I have an appointment with my dogs surgeon at 8.30 in the morning. He is recovering from TPLO surgery. (Knee reconsruction). Then off to work. All happening here at the moment with the animals...who needs kids..lol.
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Wilson's numbers are in a totally safe range right now. The only concern is that there is still more time that the readings could potential drop, since it is still early in the cycle. If you are totally unable to stay up you can give a good size dose of syrup to try to abort the cycle. If you are able to stay up another few hours then just monitor and give a little gravy if the numbers start to drop. Having a diabetic kitty sure does cut into sleep and life time. ;)

As far as your morning shot I would either skip or give a greatly reduced dose since you will not be able to monitor tomorrow. The readings should be high from "the bounce" which normally happens after hypoish numbers, but that is to be expected. When it is shot time post a new thread once you have your reading and link this thread to it to get some advice on what dose might be best. With the food change Wilson may end up needing a lot less insulin than before.

Do another test at +4.5 and post the reading so we see how the numbers are going
 
Tuxedo Mom said:
Wilson's numbers are in a totally safe range right now. The only concern is that there is still more time that the readings could potential drop, since it is still early in the cycle. If you are totally unable to stay up you can give a good size dose of syrup to try to abort the cycle. If you are able to stay up another few hours then just monitor and give a little gravy if the numbers start to drop. Having a diabetic kitty sure does cut into sleep and life time. ;)

As far as your morning shot I would either skip or give a greatly reduced dose since you will not be able to monitor tomorrow. The readings should be high from "the bounce" which normally happens after hypoish numbers, but that is to be expected. When it is shot time post a new thread once you have your reading and link this thread to it to get some advice on what dose might be best. With the food change Wilson may end up needing a lot less insulin than before.

Do another test at +4.5 and post the reading so we see how the numbers are going
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You’re lucky his nadir isn’t at +11 and preshot like Silver. I had to get up in the middle of the night last night. Barely functioning this morning!
 
Juliet said:
You’re lucky his nadir isn’t at +11 and preshot like Silver. I had to get up in the middle of the night last night. Barely functioning this morning!
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I hear you Juliet!! For the last 3 1/2 years I consider a 5 hour sleep as a good one. My other FD kitty that passed away last year would often keep me up until the wee hours of the morning then I had to give the next shot 3 hours later:rolleyes:
 
Tanya & Wilson said:
I will stay up until he is steady on good numbers. Won't be able to sleep anyway. Okay I will post a thread in the morning with AMPS number.
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When you post (about 1/2 hour before shot time) make sure to include the "?" icon in your title. Something like "Need dosing advice as soon as possible after hypo numbers" or something like that. Also include the link to this posting and mention that you have recently changed from dry to raw & LC wet. That should get some responses quickly
 
Tanya & Wilson said:
A huge hug and Thank you to everyone who's been by my side tonight. Everyones help and support is very much appreciated. It's great to know people are there for me to help and offer advice. I'd be a total wreck without you all. :bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug:
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We've all been there and know how very much someone being with us to help guide us as our hearts are pounding are so very appreciated.
 
Tanya & Wilson said:
A huge hug and Thank you to everyone who's been by my side tonight. Everyones help and support is very much appreciated. It's great to know people are there for me to help and offer advice. I'd be a total wreck without you all. :bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug:
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You are doing a great job..you didn't panic ( too much ;)) and knew the basics on dealing with low numbers. My first hypo I was a total wreck!!!! But there is most often someone on who can help you out or 'hold your hand' when this happens.


ETA One important thing is to make sure you have the '911' icon in your title when an emergency happens to get quick attention on your posting. It can always be removed once you have people helping out.
 
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