2/15 Asia PMPS 130, +3 125, +4 125

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Stacy & Asia

Stacy & Asia

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Second cycle with Lev. Not sure where her nadir was last night exactly, but she was coming down from an epic bounce as well as Lantus/Lev mixed together, not sure how useful the data would be anyway. I will find out for today.

I think Asia is having some discomfort or something going on, she just seems a bit off. Maybe she's constipated? I'm trying all the things to figure out what is going on and hopefully it will resolve shortly. Might explain her space mission.

First shot of Lev last night was a wince, but it could have been an anticipatory reaction. No such reaction this morning, she didn't notice the shot at all. :)

Still bogged down with surgery stuff for my daughter, going to be a busy day of phone calls and research. I will be glad when this part is over, it is not fun to have a lot of advanced notice to worry and question things, that's for sure!
 
Judy and Boomer said:
Wow that was quite a bounce yesterday!
Good luck with the Lev!
When is your daughter's surgery?
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She sure loves the moon. :rolleyes:

We haven't scheduled it yet, I'm in the process of getting a second opinion and trying to decide which surgical technique would best address this, there are several with their own benefits and risks.
 
+3 226. Looks like onset is around +3, that's a nice change. I'm not counting on this to be a sure thing as there is still a Lantus depot in the mix, but at a smidge over 1 unit, I don't think the depot will be there too long.
 
Good luck with Lev. Rusty was switched from Lantus to Lev before he came to us, so I'm not much help here. The 0.75 U dose sounds about right, however, and you can always tinker with it as you go along.

I've not been around much lately and just read that your daughter is to have surgery. Hope it goes well.
 
PMPS 130, looks like this bounce is breaking so I guess I get to see what Lev can do tonight. No flinching at shot time! It really was stinging her, and here I thought I was just hitting a nerve or tendon or something. :(

It's weird that it didn't seem to sting her for the longest time, it started doing this after a few months? Well that is one big plus so far. I can't imagine if such a small amount can sting what a large dose must feel like! @Phoebes no wonder she is happier, just for that reason alone, I'm sure! @LuvinThisPig curious to see if you notice a difference right away, is Lantus ouchie for Pig?
 
No doubt. And I feel terrible I put her through it. Those stinkers are so good at hiding their pain. Good luck, I think you'll really see a difference. :D:D:cool:
 
Here's hoping the new insulin will bring about some nice, calm, healthy cycles and no more ouchies!

Good luck figuring out why/how Asia is feeling "off". Cats are masters at disguising their ills. One needs to be Sherlock Holmes to decipher the almost non-existent clues.

Hope you find just the right doctor and procedure for your daughter. Sending vines.
 
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Phoebes said:
No doubt. And I feel terrible I put her through it. Those stinkers are so good at hiding their pain. Good luck, I think you'll really see a difference. :D:D:cool:
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Don't feel bad, you didn't know, neither did I, if it caused any sustaining burn or pain, you probably wouldn't have had such great numbers with her. What's important is you switched and she's happy about it! :cat: They are good at hiding things, it can be so frustrating sometimes. :bighug:
 
Tricia Cinco(GA) & Harvey said:
Here's hoping the new insulin will bring about some nice, calm, healthy cycles and no more ouchies!

Good luck figuring out why/how Asia is feeling "off". Cats are masters at disguising their ills. One needs to be Sherlock Holmes to decipher the almost non-existent clues.

Hope you find just the right doctor and procedure for your daughter. Sending vines.
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Calm cycles, it would be amazing, I'm trying not to get my hopes up!

Hoping it's just a poo thing, been waiting for one all day. :rolleyes:
 
Loving today's blue flatness so far. :cool: Neko's second Lev cycle was all blue and I fell in love with it.

Count me as another who hadn't realized the Lantus sting until I switched. :oops:
 
Wendy&Neko said:
Loving today's blue flatness so far. :cool: Neko's second Lev cycle was all blue and I fell in love with it.

Count me as another who hadn't realized the Lantus sting until I switched. :oops:
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It's pretty unreal, trying to contain myself. :woot:

I wonder how humans stand the Lantus sting...in the abdomen to boot! :confused:
 
Stacy & Asia said:
curious to see if you notice a difference right away, is Lantus ouchie for Pig?
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There have been quite a few times that pig has flinched at the needle (one of the biggest reasons for the switch, among others), but then there have been a lot that he has not. I noticed it depends on how hungry he is at the moment. Sometimes he seems to pay more attention to the food, others the needle. Now, I will say, and this could just be random musings, but I have heard that owing to the acidic base of the Lantus, some kitties have seen adverse personality changes. As in, they become more aggressive and temperamental. I have never seen any of these changes with Pig. However, he is grumpy when his numbers are up and less so when they are down so, perhaps, this is where a lot of the talk comes from....??? The sting, though, is real. I have seen it. Pig can take the giant harpoon needles of Adequan without so much as a squelch. If is happen to shoot Lantus when he is not eating, he gets very upset.... Such a little needle to make a big boy like Pig flinch. It has to be the insulin.
 
LuvinThisPig said:
There have been quite a few times that pig has flinched at the needle (one of the biggest reasons for the switch, among others), but then there have been a lot that he has not. I noticed it depends on how hungry he is at the moment. Sometimes he seems to pay more attention to the food, others the needle. Now, I will say, and this could just be random musings, but I have heard that owing to the acidic base of the Lantus, some kitties have seen adverse personality changes. As in, they become more aggressive and temperamental. I have never seen any of these changes with Pig. However, he is grumpy when his numbers are up and less so when they are down so, perhaps, this is where a lot of the talk comes from....??? The sting, though, is real. I have seen it. Pig can take the giant harpoon needles of Adequan without so much as a squelch. If is happen to shoot Lantus when he is not eating, he gets very upset.... Such a little needle to make a big boy like Pig flinch. It has to be the insulin.
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I shoot when Asia is done eating, while she is laying on her side, that's the only choice I have, she's not ever that interested in food and would not enjoy, or be stable, if I messed with her whilst she was eating. I do notice she flinched more often on pm shots, no idea why. She has also been uncharacteristically irritable in the pm, which I thought was the antibiotics, still not sure. She isn't aggressive, just annoyed. When she's annoyed, she will furiously clean her chest, so that's how I know, plus she is vocal and I can tell by the noises she makes if she is happy, surprised, hungry or irritated.

Same things with Asia, her fluid needles are large, not bothered. Her cerenia shots sting a bit and that was a tip off with Lantus stinging vs I just got her in a bad spot. I hope Pig is as happy as a pig on Lev! ;)
 
Stacy & Asia said:
she's not ever that interested in food
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Yes... I forget this sometimes. I have never had a problem with Pig not wanting to eat, except the Sheba chicken... He has always been, well, a Pig! :woot: I guess that is an Acro thing, or so I hear. Some people have told me to feed him over 30oz a day... Oh my if I did that... He would be the biggest of Piggy blimps!
Stacy & Asia said:
She has also been uncharacteristically irritable in the pm
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See.. I have wondered about this. Pig is so very tolerant about everything, but there are sometimes directly after his shot that if I pet him he will lash out and nip a bit. Or do a low sort of grumble. I just back off and leave him alone at that point, but he never use to do that until we hit the higher doses. It was very weird. Maybe there is something to it. I would be interested in seeing if Asia does not get so irritable in the pm...??
Stacy & Asia said:
plus she is vocal and I can tell by the noises she makes if she is happy, surprised, hungry or irritated.
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I wish Pig would do this. He talks when he is happy, but other than that he is a silent boy.
Stacy & Asia said:
I hope Pig is as happy as a pig on Lev! ;)
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Oh! Me too! I am so glad that Asia is having some good flat times! Maybe some more sleep for you! I cannot wait to see the good it does for her! Plus, no ouchies! :bighug::bighug::bighug:
 
LuvinThisPig said:
See.. I have wondered about this. Pig is so very tolerant about everything, but there are sometimes directly after his shot that if I pet him he will lash out and nip a bit. Or do a low sort of grumble. I just back off and leave him alone at that point, but he never use to do that until we hit the higher doses. It was very weird. Maybe there is something to it. I would be interested in seeing if Asia does not get so irritable in the pm...??
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Can't wait to see if that grumpiness changes for you, I sure hope so! also hope his appetite decreases, at least a bit, when his numbers are lower.

What's confusing to me is Asia only gets irritable after the pm shot (which is also when she gets her antibiotic). If it's the Lantus, I can't figure out why it wouldn't happen in the am as well? o_O She is more awake at pm shot time, in the morning, she's a snoozer. Maybe she is irritated, but just sleeping through it. :p
 
Stacy & Asia said:
If it's the Lantus, I can't figure out why it wouldn't happen in the am as well?
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Yes.. this does not make sense. You would think that it would effect the entire cycle.. both am and pm..??

Stacy & Asia said:
hope his appetite decreases,
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You and me both... I spend over $60 bucks a week just in food! :eek: However, his brother Tail is a full Maine Coon and VERY large... They are both big cats.. With the appetites to boot!
How much food do you average with Asia? I cannot seem to get the magic amount of raw with Pig. He wants to gobble 4oz at a time! If he did that... omg. It would be years before he ever pooped again...
 
LuvinThisPig said:
How much food do you average with Asia?
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Currently, one large Radcat tub lasts 3 ish to almost 4 days for Asia. I've never weighed or calculated food for them, they free feed and have always managed their own weight quite well. Asia does something like free feed now, although there are times where I take up her food. I just give her smaller amounts and add more "filler" (more water and/or some pumpkin) if I think she's getting too chub, but it's never really been a problem.
 
Stacy & Asia said:
have always managed their own weight quite well
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Okay... See, I am not overly worried about Pig's weight. He has always been about spot on for his optimal body weight. However, and I know people will tell you that cats do not over eat like dogs do, I beg to differ because Pig will eat until he can barely move and then it is hours before he is active again. I am noticing this a lot more with the radcat. Even in small amounts, it seems to move very, very slowly through his system and his is miserable until it passes. I keep decreasing the amount given at one time.. But, leaving food out is not an option...

Yikes!! I am sorry! I feel like I hijacked your thread! :oops: Not my intention.. I was curious.. lol
 
LuvinThisPig said:
know people will tell you that cats do not over eat like dogs do
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Some can and they do, it depends on the cat. If he makes himself uncomfortably full, then you are doing the right thing by not letting him gorge himself. What was he eating before diabetes? Maybe it's less about the Radcat and more about the acro? Plus numbers being high makes them want to eat more since they are not making proper use of their food. I'm sure some of these things will work out with better numbers and treatment for the acro.

No worries about thread hijack, discussions are discussions, just make sure you save a link somewhere if there's anything you'll want to reference in the future concerning Pig.
 
Stacy & Asia said:
Maybe it's less about the Radcat and more about the acro?
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Yes.. it is. Well, he is a Manx and suffers Manx syndrome. His digestion has never been right. He has always had very runny or hard stools and it is a very delicate balance to keep his bowels moving right... It all comes back to his lack of a tail, spinal chord, and nerves. His digestive tract just does not function properly.. Both of them were eating Halo Rabbit sensitive tummy and Halo Quail with Garden Greens... They have not had dry for years and years... Pig needed wet for his belly, but even the most wet of foods will constipate him.. I feel awful for the man...

Stacy & Asia said:
I'm sure some of these things will work out with better numbers and treatment for the acro.
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Yes, this I know you are right on... I see it when he dips yellow..
 
Stephanie & Quintus said:
I read the sting is due to refrigeration and the reason the official recommendation is to keep Lantus out of the fridge.
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Lantus stings because it's acidic, perhaps it being at room temperature cuts the sting a bit, but it still stings, probably a lot for some and not for others (because EHID) :joyful:. I can't imagine, say, 60 units of burn in the tum :eek:. Cerenia also stings and does not need be refrigerated for shelf stability, however, my vet recommended to keep it cold because it makes it sting less. Same with freezing your fluid needles, it dulls the pain of the poke, but all of these are little tricks that doesn't make the problem nil, it just helps.
 
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