2/4 Bella AMPS 321 Urine ketones negative!

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JanetMR

JanetMR

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Miss Bella was AMPS 321
+3 377
Urine ketones negative!
She dropped down to 224 at + 2 PMPS last evening and then climbed back up.
??
:banghead:
 
Sandy and Black Kitty said:
WooHoo! That makes 4 consecutive days!

What’s the WCR (whole cat report)? All Ps in place?

It looks like she ate well during that blue streak yesterday AM. ..is that correct?
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She did eat fairly well during her “ blue period”
Which was surprising.
All P’s in place
She feels as if she’s gained a tad of weight.. o_Ounless it’s just my tired arms.
 
JanetMR said:
She did eat fairly well during her “ blue period”
Which was surprising.
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It’s wonderful ...and noteworthy.

Be on the lookout for the current bounce to break. From the ‘hindsight is 20/20’ department- 02/03/AM the +2 was significantly lower than the AMPS. That’s a heads up. Being that onset is generally around +2 to +3 for most kitties, there’s potential for some strong downward momentum to build, which in this case did, in spite of the 2T 6% food at +2:

2/3/AM
AMPS - 321 >>2T 6%
AM+2 - 246 >>2T 6%
AM+5 - 124

Food for thought:
Was this too fast a drop for Bella, enough to trigger another bounce?
Maybe a slightly higher carb meal at +2 would have slowed the drop?
 
Yeah for no ketones! Way to go.

Here is yesterday's thread so everyone can follow along. When you start a new thread each day, give the link to the previous thread. It helps peeps here help you better.

Yesterday
 
Bobbie And Bubba said:
Yeah for no ketones! Way to go.

Here is yesterday's thread so everyone can follow along. When you start a new thread each day, give the link to the previous thread. It helps peeps here help you better.

Yesterday
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Ok. Thanks.
I do notice a difference in Bellas activity level today. She has more pep than I’ve seen in a long time.
 
JanetMR said:
Ok. Thanks.
I do notice a difference in Bellas activity level today. She has more pep than I’ve seen in a long time.
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Sandy and Black Kitty said:
It’s wonderful ...and noteworthy.

Be on the lookout for the current bounce to break. From the ‘hindsight is 20/20’ department- 02/03/AM the +2 was significantly lower than the AMPS. That’s a heads up. Being that onset is generally around +2 to +3 for most kitties, there’s potential for some strong downward momentum to build, which in this case did, in spite of the 2T 6% food at +2:

2/3/AM
AMPS - 321 >>2T 6%
AM+2 - 246 >>2T 6%
AM+5 - 124

Food for thought:
Was this too fast a drop for Bella, enough to trigger another bounce?
Maybe a slightly higher carb meal at +2 would have slowed the drop?
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So... if she drops
Sandy and Black Kitty said:
It’s wonderful ...and noteworthy.

Be on the lookout for the current bounce to break. From the ‘hindsight is 20/20’ department- 02/03/AM the +2 was significantly lower than the AMPS. That’s a heads up. Being that onset is generally around +2 to +3 for most kitties, there’s potential for some strong downward momentum to build, which in this case did, in spite of the 2T 6% food at +2:

2/3/AM
AMPS - 321 >>2T 6%
AM+2 - 246 >>2T 6%
AM+5 - 124

Food for thought:
Was this too fast a drop for Bella, enough to trigger another bounce?
Maybe a slightly higher carb meal at +2 would have slowed the drop?
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So... if she drops more than 75 points at a time give a teaspoon or so of higher carb food?
Last evening 2/3 she dropped from PMPS of 392 to + 2 of 224. Then...+5 back up to 327
Can’t tell if she’s heading up or down sometimes...
 
JanetMR said:
I do notice a difference in Bellas activity level today. She has more pep than I’ve seen in a long time.
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That's wonderful news :cool:
This, combined with 4 consecutive days of negative ketones and the fact that she ate quite well during yesterdays mid blue streak is awesome progress.
Well done!

JanetMR said:
So... if she drops more than 75 points at a time give a teaspoon or so of higher carb food?
Last evening 2/3 she dropped from PMPS of 392 to + 2 of 224. Then...+5 back up to 327
Can’t tell if she’s heading up or down sometimes...
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Keep in mind a bounce is generally not a smooth trajectory in either direction. you have to consider the context of the drop. What preceded it (previous cycles) and where in the current cycle you are.

This is when you have to step back and look for patterns developing over several days, the larger picture.
You can see how the first run of 0.25u went before Bella saw green.

Cycle 1 of .25u was 1/31/AM; cycle 3 was all yellow with the yellow continuing into cycle 4. She likely saw green during the bottom half of the 4th cycle at the end of which you woke up to a green AMPS -the reduced dose starts the cycle count over.

So 2/2/PM cycle 1 of .25u - recovering from bounce, reduced dose and stall.
By cycle 2 (2/3) AM+5 saw a nice stretch of mid blue which triggered a bounce. A higher carb meal at the +2 may have slowed the drop to mid blue and lessened the counter-regulatory system freak out. Maybe not. Something to be mindful of as you go forward.

Tonight will be cycle 5 and there is potential for the bounce to break.
Lets see what Bella has up her sleeve.

 
Sandy and Black Kitty said:
That's wonderful news :cool:
This, combined with 4 consecutive days of negative ketones and the fact that she ate quite well during yesterdays mid blue streak is awesome progress.
Well done!

Keep in mind a bounce is generally not a smooth trajectory in either direction. you have to consider the context of the drop. What preceded it (previous cycles) and where in the current cycle you are.

This is when you have to step back and look for patterns developing over several days, the larger picture.
You can see how the first run of 0.25u went before Bella saw green.

Cycle 1 of .25u was 1/31/AM; cycle 3 was all yellow with the yellow continuing into cycle 4. She likely saw green during the bottom half of the 4th cycle at the end of which you woke up to a green AMPS -the reduced dose starts the cycle count over.

So 2/2/PM cycle 1 of .25u - recovering from bounce, reduced dose and stall.
By cycle 2 (2/3) AM+5 saw a nice stretch of mid blue which triggered a bounce. A higher carb meal at the +2 may have slowed the drop to mid blue and lessened the counter-regulatory system freak out. Maybe not. Something to be mindful of as you go forward.

Tonight will be cycle 5 and there is potential for the bounce to break.
Lets see what Bella has up her sleeve.
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If she drops... I’ll post for advice.
I’m sure this is second nature to you. This is still confusing to me.
I don’t want her to drop to much too fast and I can possibly offset this with high carb food... right?
 
Awesome news, more pep, eating well and negative keytones! :woot:

Really good stuff, keep up the good work Bella, and lots of praise your way, Janet for helping with that. :)
 
JanetMR said:
If she drops... I’ll post for advice.
I’m sure this is second nature to you. This is still confusing to me.
I don’t want her to drop to much too fast and I can possibly offset this with high carb food... right?
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Correct, however you dont know how heavy or light-handed you need to be-ECID.
I personally didn't have to do much in the way of using food to guide a cycle. It was a year before BK got his first taste of HC.
There are plenty of folks here with tons of experience using food to slow down a dive - posting for advice before feeding HC to guide a cycle (not to be confused with bringing up low numbers) is a good idea.
 
Sandy and Black Kitty said:
Correct, however you dont know how heavy or light-handed you need to be-ECID.
I personally didn't have to do much in the way of using food to guide a cycle. It was a year before BK got his first taste of HC.
There are plenty of folks here with tons of experience using food to slow down a dive - posting for advice before feeding HC to guide a cycle (not to be confused with bringing up low numbers) is a good idea.
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What is HC? High carb?
What is classified as a dive?...
As opposed to bringing up low numbers.?
What exactly is a low number?
I need to understand what I am doing.
 
Bella dropped to 235 @ + 2
From 324 @ PMPS
I gave her 1 tsp 15% carb food plus her regular % 6 carb food
I hope this is correct
When should I re check?
 
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