02/03/18 Squallie AMPS 142, +6/90, PMPS 130, +4/75

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Squallie is having a quiet day today. I got a better look inside his mouth, there's a good bit of irritation/redness along his upper gumline on the right side, and the right canine does have a lesion, also at the gumline. :(:(His BG numbers are really going up, too. :(:( My poor sweet boy. Looks like it's time for a trip to the vetty. *sigh*
 
Well, I think Squallie has saved up all of today's p & v to release on me tonight, lol! He has been running around the house, smacking the other kitties, and just generally being full of catitude. I had to have my son hold him for tonight's shot, that has never happened! But he was a kitty with a destination, and he was going, no matter what I said, or that his food was in front of him, lol. :cat:
 
Carol & Murphy said:
Poor Squallie - Murphy gets gingivitis within a month of a dental - how long has it been for Mr. Squallie, Lucy?
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carfurby said:
Poor Squallie. I hope the vet can do something to help. Sending prayers. :bighug::bighug::bighug:
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Thanks! Squallie has never had a dental, as such. Years ago one of his vets told me he was going to need a dental "down the road aways". I have asked every vet he has seen since then about doing a dental on him, and always got the same answer - down the road. Until I took him to his current vet, who looked in his mouth and said his teeth were awful and he has FORLS and he should have a dental, but that his age and heart murmur did not make him a good candidate! So...he's never had one, in spite of my trying to stay on top of it for years; kinda makes me furious with all the vets and their damn "roads". Now I just pray we can hold infection at bay.
 
Asia had this too with many extractions and she still has 2 back teeth left, it has been a constant worry. One option is to pulse antibiotics, I don't know the details about it, but one of my vets suggested it as a possibility since she thought Asia was too old for surgery. We didn't do it only because we moved and the next vet was not in favor. Might be worth asking your vet about.

Love the p&v, go Squallie, go! :joyful:
 
Stacy & Asia said:
Asia had this too with many extractions and she still has 2 back teeth left, it has been a constant worry. One option is to pulse antibiotics, I don't know the details about it, but one of my vets suggested it as a possibility since she thought Asia was too old for surgery. We didn't do it only because we moved and the next vet was not in favor. Might be worth asking your vet about.

Love the p&v, go Squallie, go! :joyful:
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Thanks, Stacy, I will definitely ask my vet about the pulse ABs. How old was Asia when she had her extractions done? The dental specialist thinks Squallie will be fine with the anesthesia, but my vet says with his diabetes, heart murmur, and possible kidney issues, he wouldn't have the dental done, if it was his cat. Personally, I think my vet is wrong, and that Squallie would do okay, but he knows him better than the demtist, so I have to side with the vet, especially when he says he wouldn't do it if Squallie was his cat.

I love the p & v, too, lol. He was full of himself again tonight, smacking the other kitties and chasing invisible mice. I love to watch him chase them, he's hilarious!
 
Squalliesmom said:
Thanks, Stacy, I will definitely ask my vet about the pulse ABs. How old was Asia when she had her extractions done? The dental specialist thinks Squallie will be fine with the anesthesia, but my vet says with his diabetes, heart murmur, and possible kidney issues, he wouldn't have the dental done, if it was his cat. Personally, I think my vet is wrong, and that Squallie would do okay, but he knows him better than the demtist, so I have to side with the vet, especially when he says he wouldn't do it if Squallie was his cat.

I love the p & v, too, lol. He was full of himself again tonight, smacking the other kitties and chasing invisible mice. I love to watch him chase them, he's hilarious!
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Asia was 13 when she had all the extractions. It was a no brainer because she was really, really sick, it almost killed her and she had a serious systemic infection from it, it took a long time, well over a month before we could figure out it was her teeth. So the options there were surgery or PTS. If I knew then what I know now (and could have afforded it at the time), I would have had all of her teeth extracted, but as it happened, they just took all the affected teeth. I have toyed with having more extractions, with a dedicated anesthesiologist, but like your concerns, I worry about the complications, not just with age, but kidneys, heart, etc. Difference here is, she has no lesions or anything super active as far as we can tell. I don't know if pulse antibiotics would have been an option with all she had going on at 13, maybe if we had caught it earlier? But I just don't know.

One of my vets said there is no wrong answer, dental is a huge QoL boost, but also a large risk. It's just tricky stuff. I hope it's an option to do pulse antibiotics or something if you can't do surgery. It's frustrating. :bighug:
 
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Personally, I think that many vets are afraid to do dentals on cats with diabetes. My original vet kept waiting for Murphy's "blood sugar to be regulated" before doing the dental - that was 2 1/2 years ago, and guess, what? If I hadn't gone to a feline specialist, who said right away that he needs a dental, I'd still be waiting (he's since had two and will be having a third soon) He's had 7-8 extractions during those two dentals. Murphy is 12, and has a heart murmur (also IBD). His post dental care is a little complicated, but my vet won't hesitate to do the dentals if he needs them. It is hard to know what to do
 
Carol & Murphy said:
Personally, I think that many vets are afraid to do dentals on cats with diabetes. My original vet kept waiting for Murphy's "blood sugar to be regulated" before doing the dental - that was 2 1/2 years ago, and guess, what? If I hadn't gone to a feline specialist, who said right away that he needs a dental, I'd still be waiting (he's since had two and will be having a third soon) He's had 7-8 extractions during those two dentals. Murphy is 12, and has a heart murmur (also IBD). His post dental care is a little complicated, but my vet won't hesitate to do the dentals if he needs them. It is hard to know what to do
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It really is hard. It all comes down to weighing the risks of both options; I don't want to lose him because of dental surgery, but neither do I want to lose him to an infected tooth! A lot of my vet's issue with Squallie is just his age. He does have a mild heart murmur, and I would definitely have an echo done before any procedure on him. Strangely, I don't think either my vet or the specialist really see the diabetes as a big issue! Or maybe they are just used to compensating for it.
 
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