1/30 Silver AMPS 229 PMPS 88 +3=133

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I would be shocked if there wasn’t blue in yesterday’s or last night’s cycles. Just because you didn’t catch it, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. ;)

Good luck with the dosecrease.
 
I would be shocked if there wasn’t blue in yesterday’s or last night’s cycles. Just because you didn’t catch it, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. ;)

Good luck with the dosecrease.
I doubt there would have been blue last night. Remember he spikes high with food and takes forever up come down and he was high at PMPS before the food hike. No way he was in blues.
 
Maybe it's the supermoon because Hamilton is back in the pink for no apparent reason other than to keep me from sleeping at night. (OK, so maybe there was one injection that went awry, but come on kitties, give us a break!)
 
I am thinking there may have been a blue in yesterdays cycle during the day.

Maybe that extra drop is your break through dose!;) Good luck with the dose increase.

@Elizabeth B - I hope it is the moon - Jones has me very confused and holding a dose I am not sure is working but need to figure out why he wants to dive and then shoot to the moon!
 
I am thinking there may have been a blue in yesterdays cycle during the day.

Maybe that extra drop is your break through dose!;) Good luck with the dose increase.

@Elizabeth B - I hope it is the moon - Jones has me very confused and holding a dose I am not sure is working but need to figure out why he wants to dive and then shoot to the moon!
Just wondering what makes you think that? There is no indication. I hate the guesswork. Wish I was home to get these daytime tests. Stinks not knowing what he’s doing. Anyways. I held dose two more days like you suggested but increased this morning. I’ll keep the same dose longer as I think SLGS says to increase time between increases when getting nearer desired range.
 
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Just wondering what makes you think that?

He was 11.3, which is very close to blue, so if there was a drop then he went blue...how low of a blue? not sure (and yes I know this is the new blue but we are flowing with it right?). Then he went up to 14.2...a little higher than he has been running.
 
So, this is partially for my own understanding, but even if there was a blue, we adjust according to nadirs. Wouldn’t that mean she needs to increase anyway? Or if there’s a true bounce, she would hold until the bounce clears and then increase? Silver has been on this dose for a while, why would he bounce now? Ugh, why can’t this be easier!?
 
So, this is partially for my own understanding, but even if there was a blue, we adjust according to nadirs. Wouldn’t that mean she needs to increase anyway? Or if there’s a true bounce, she would hold until the bounce clears and then increase? Silver has been on this dose for a while, why would he bounce now? Ugh, why can’t this be easier!?
Agreed! I snuggle up to Silver and ask him to tell me what’s going on inside him but he hasn’t replied yet! He’s happy and purry and no signs of being ill so I’m happy with that. But I am worried about what to do in sept when I am gone 2.5 weeks.
 
He was 11.3, which is very close to blue, so if there was a drop then he went blue...how low of a blue? not sure (and yes I know this is the new blue but we are flowing with it right?). Then he went up to 14.2...a little higher than he has been running.
Agreed. We are flowing with the new meter. I am looking for lower than 10 to consider it a good day. (Oh 10 is 180 I think) keep forgetting to transfer it to US). I believe the 14.2 is due to the late shot. Was stuck in a snowstorm and was an hour late home.
 
Agreed! I snuggle up to Silver and ask him to tell me what’s going on inside him but he hasn’t replied yet! He’s happy and purry and no signs of being ill so I’m happy with that. But I am worried about what to do in sept when I am gone 2.5 weeks.

We’ve got lots of good time between now and September. We’ll keep thinking positive thoughts. Keep on swimming, keep on swimming.
 
Okay well this is a little on the scary side but I shot and am home to check. He was only 88 when I got home from work. But my reasoning for shooting anyways is that I grabbed a quick second check on the Accu-check and he was 146. Yeah, so much for it getting closer together with smaller numbers - that theory can go out the window.

I also know he usually has quite a food hike so he will be a lot higher by onset. Will grab a +2 tonight and see from there how to proceed.

Didnt see this one coming @Tracey&Jones!
 
@Tracey&Jones i guess he has earned a reduction when I only increased this morning? Hmm on accucheck he hasn’t earned it. I know I know. I’m with freestyle now. But the other dose was not bringing him regularly to greens. Not sure what to do.
 
Okay well this is a little on the scary side but I shot and am home to check. He was only 88 when I got home from work. But my reasoning for shooting anyways is that I grabbed a quick second check on the Accu-check and he was 146. Yeah, so much for it getting closer together with smaller numbers - that theory can go out the window.

I also know he usually has quite a food hike so he will be a lot higher by onset. Will grab a +2 tonight and see from there how to proceed.

Didnt see this one coming @Tracey&Jones!

When they say closer at lower numbers, they mean lower numbers, like closer to 50s and below, that’s really when it counts anyway. The 20% variable is not as significant a jump the lower the number, and that is why.
 
When they say closer at lower numbers, they mean lower numbers, like closer to 50s and below, that’s really when it counts anyway. The 20% variable is not as significant a jump the lower the number, and that is why.
Not sure I agree. I just tested myself on both and still a huge difference. I was actually looking for dosing advice. You’re are doing TR so for you - 50 is really low. For me doing SLGS 88 is very low.
 
Not sure I agree. I just tested myself on both and still a huge difference. I was actually looking for dosing advice. You’re are doing TR so for you - 50 is really low. For me doing SLGS 88 is very low.

I understand, and I know it’s frustrating that the two read so differently, my head was in the same space when I switched from AT to a human meter. Why I say it counts when it’s very low is because that is getting in to hypo territory and really, that is when you want to know your meter is accurate, nothing at all to do with SLGS vs TR, everything to do with keeping your cat safe (which isn’t method specific). The AlphaTRAK and human meters are closer at the low end too. It was meant to be reassuring, that’s all. I hope you never have reason to test your meters against each other that low, but if they aren’t close that low, you will know one of them is likely defective.
 
I understand, and I know it’s frustrating that the two read so differently, my head was in the same space when I switched from AT to a human meter. Why I say it counts when it’s very low is because that is getting in to hypo territory and really, that is when you want to know your meter is accurate, nothing at all to do with SLGS vs TR, everything to do with keeping your cat safe (which isn’t method specific). The AlphaTRAK and human meters are closer at the low end too. It was meant to be reassuring, that’s all. I hope you never have reason to test your meters against each other that low, but if they aren’t close that low, you will know one of them is likely defective.
I hope neither are defective lol! I rely on them.

Anyways. What I need to know is the dose. I increased today after holding 2.75 for two weeks and nadir was not green. I’d only seen two greens on this dose. Technically he has just earned a decrease. But what to? The 3u I gave this am (and now this pm) won’t have come into effect yet right? As that’s just topp d up the depot. May not see effect of the 3u til tomorrow. So does he earn the decrease back to 2.75 or 2.5? And the 2.75 wasn’t bringing him regularly to good numbers.

And lastly - going back to meter again - he was still blue on accucheck.
 
as I think SLGS says to increase time between increases when getting nearer desired range.
No it doesn't. It says to hold the dose 7 days or 14 cycles, then re-evaluate. It also says to hold the dose if nadirs are between 90 and 150, which they were. And since he likely isn't nadiring at preshot, but that's when you saw greens, chances are he was lower in the cycle leading up to those green preshots. Safety first.
guess he has earned a reduction when I only increased this morning? Hmm on accucheck he hasn’t earned it. I know I know. I’m with freestyle now. But the other dose was not bringing him regularly to greens. Not sure what to do.
Pick one meter and stick with it. Comparing will drive you crazy with second guessing.
 
No it doesn't. It says to hold the dose 7 days or 14 cycles, then re-evaluate. It also says to hold the dose if nadirs are between 90 and 150, which they were. And since he likely isn't nadiring at preshot, but that's when you saw greens, chances are he was lower in the cycle leading up to those green preshots. Safety first.

Pick one meter and stick with it. Comparing will drive you crazy with second guessing.
Actually. I am correct. It DOES say to hold the dose for longer as nadirs fall into desired range. If I choose to compare meters that is MY perogative. I WILL continue to compare when I have lower than expected numbers in order to keep him safe.

Here is the quote I was referring to regarding holding the dose longer than 7 days. If you’re going to tell me I am wrong it might be best to check I really am wrong first.

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@Tracey&Jones i guess he has earned a reduction when I only increased this morning? Hmm on accucheck he hasn’t earned it. I know I know. I’m with freestyle now. But the other dose was not bringing him regularly to greens. Not sure what to do.

I am going to ignore the accucheck readings. So on the freestyle it was 88. So that would not have been due to the extra drop he got this morning. I would say he cleared a bounce, so that dose of 3U less a drop (2.75U) is getting him where you would like to go. And that was at PMPS - how low did he go today? Was he coming up or coming down at PMPS? I would drop back to 2.5u. He earned the reduction on the 2.75U.

JMHO - for what it is worth.;)
 
I am going to ignore the accucheck readings. So on the freestyle it was 88. So that would not have been due to the extra drop he got this morning. I would say he cleared a bounce, so that dose of 3U less a drop (2.75U) is getting him where you would like to go. And that was at PMPS - how low did he go today? Was he coming up or coming down at PMPS? I would drop back to 2.5u. He earned the reduction on the 2.75U.

JMHO - for what it is worth.;)
Thanks. I was thinking along the same lines re reducing back to 2.5u. However every time I have done a curve or caught mid cycle tests it has been blues and yellows. I see a lot of greens on others’ spreadsheets and should I not be seeing more green? Just not totally convinced 2.75 or 2.5 is the right dose.

And I can’t quite ignore the accucheck readings. Sorry. He was 146 with the same drop of blood. I may very well switch back.
 
I think Tracey has a good point. You don't know if he went lower today. To be safe it may be a good idea to reduce back to 2.75. Then you can see where he is this weekend when you do your curve. Sometimes there are lower numbers you just don't see because you have to work and can't test (no judgement - that's just life). There have been times I thought Furball wasn't getting into lower numbers, but was home during the week and able to get mid day tests and found out she was going lower than I thought by just seeing the PS numbers.
 
I think Tracey has a good point. You don't know if he went lower today. To be safe it may be a good idea to reduce back to 2.75. Then you can see where he is this weekend when you do your curve. Sometimes there are lower numbers you just don't see because you have to work and can't test (no judgement - that's just life). There have been times I thought Furball wasn't getting into lower numbers, but was home during the week and able to get mid day tests and found out she was going lower than I thought by just seeing the PS numbers.
So you guys both said different doses. Which??
 
But he is getting to green.


If he doesn't do well on 2.5, you can always bump him back up again.
Yes but occasionally. Not the norm. And we MUST take into consideration the trend. These are blues. I wish I hadn’t bought FS strips as I want to switch back. I do not trust the accuracy. Someone said we have to look at trends and that’s what I’m doing. The sudden low numbers is due to one reason only.
 
I think you can see an immediate effect from a dose increase. I see the 3.0 units effecting his numbers. So I would reduce back to 2.75. Tracy is saying the lower number is from the 2.75. She suggested decreasing back to 2.5. It's your call.
 
Yes but occasionally. Not the norm. And we MUST take into consideration the trend. These are blues. I wish I hadn’t bought FS strips as I want to switch back. I do not trust the accuracy.
:) Oh, hindsight is a dreadful thing.

Carla had a good thought. Hold the 2.75u.

What you see is blue, but the 88...that scares me a bit with him not being able to get food during the day.

ETA: I see Carla and I posted together.
 
:) Oh, hindsight is a dreadful thing.

Carla had a good thought. Hold the 2.75u.

What you see is blue, but the 88...that scares me a bit with him not being able to get food during the day.

ETA: I see Carla and I posted together.
Okay. Will reduce back to 2.75. Splitting the difference as I want to stay at 3u. Yes the 88 scared me too and that is the only occasion that I now grab a second test with the accucheck. When it read higher and in blues I felt safe to shoot. There is a 40% difference between the two meters so you must understand why this switch is hard. Just now at + 3 he was 133. Usually he jumps a lot higher than that after food.

I only switched meters as the cap program with DCIN gave me freestyle meter and 100 strips. Can’t afford to turn that down.
 
:) Oh, hindsight is a dreadful thing.

Carla had a good thought. Hold the 2.75u.

What you see is blue, but the 88...that scares me a bit with him not being able to get food during the day.

ETA: I see Carla and I posted together.
Going with the 2.75. @Tracey&Jones didnt think the 3u would have kicked in that quickly. Isn’t the depot in play here where the dose you give in the am tops up the depot. Hence waiting 6 cycles to see how a dose takes effect?
 
The only way he could get food during the day was if I left dry food out and the overweight civvie would get it. I don’t even have a freezer or freezer compartment to do those pop sickle things and same situation - civvie would get the food. Not recommended.

I cannot possibly be the only person out of over 17k people on this forum that can’t leave food out.
 
The only way he could get food during the day was if I left dry food out and the overweight civvie would get it. I don’t even have a freezer or freezer compartment to do those pop sickle things and same situation - civvie would get the food. Not recommended.

I cannot possibly be the only person out of over 17k people on this forum that can’t leave food out.

Probably not the only one. Not sure what they do though. I am not in that situation, so if it was me I would hold the 3u.

Isn’t the depot in play here where the dose you give in the am tops up the depot.
That is the theory.


If anything give it till Saturday on 2.75u, do your curve and go from there. If you think that extra drop is needed, then you can go up. Or if he proves himself, drop him down.
 
If I choose to compare meters that is MY perogative.
Absolutely it's your choice. Just saying that if you are looking for dosing help from experienced people, the muliple meters will be a deterrent.

As far as holding the dose, in practical terms, continuing to hold the dose when you see nadirs when you see numbers between 90 and 150, is the same thing as holding longer. I hope Silver gives you numbers you continue to like.
 
Probably not the only one. Not sure what they do though. I am not in that situation, so if it was me I would hold the 3u.


That is the theory.


If anything give it till Saturday on 2.75u, do your curve and go from there. If you think that extra drop is needed, then you can go up. Or if he proves himself, drop him down.
How long before a reduction is considered a fail?
 
I cannot possibly be the only person out of over 17k people on this forum that can’t leave food out.
No, you aren't the only one. I'm another person that couldn't leave any food out because Rex is a piggy and I have a drooler that hovers in the kitchen if any food is available and he needs to lose weight as well.

Good luck with whichever dose you go with. :bighug:
 
14 cycles - 7 days. Wash-rinse and repeat. Hold a week, do a curve - evaluate the nadirs.
Yes that’s true. BUT it also said hold the dose for longer when preshots are around 16.6 and nadirs around 5.5. And after the curve on Saturday he was due an increase. So I am doing it right.
 
No, you aren't the only one. I'm another person that couldn't leave any food out because Rex is a piggy and I have a drooler that hovers in the kitchen if any food is available and he needs to lose weight as well.

Good luck with whichever dose you go with. :bighug:
Thanks!
 
Yes that’s true. BUT it also said hold the dose for longer when preshots are around 16.6 and nadirs around 5.5. And after the curve on Saturday he was due an increase. So I am doing it right.

True, but then there is ECID. Either way, if you reduce to 2.5 and it is too low you take him back up next week, if you go back to 2.75u and it isn't enough you go back up next week. Silver just decided to throw a curve ball into his usual.
 
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