1/16 Silver AMPS 288 PMPS 333
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carfurby (GA)
Member Since 2012
I hope you see some lower numbers soon.
Stacy & Asia
Member Since 2017
Come down a little, Silver, you can do it! 
I saw this on Asia’s condo yesterday:
Juliet...if you are not making the effort to find a low carb, canned diet for Silver, it could very well be the reason why you are seeing such high numbers and feel like you are not making any progress. We used to have a member here who used Temptations to bring her kitty up from really low numbers. One Temptation did the trick. Feeding him a LC diet is not “obsessive”. It’s part of the treatment for feline diabetes. If you don’t want to make sure you are feeding him a LC diet, you might be stuck taking him to a much higher dose.
Juliet...if you are not making the effort to find a low carb, canned diet for Silver, it could very well be the reason why you are seeing such high numbers and feel like you are not making any progress. We used to have a member here who used Temptations to bring her kitty up from really low numbers. One Temptation did the trick. Feeding him a LC diet is not “obsessive”. It’s part of the treatment for feline diabetes. If you don’t want to make sure you are feeding him a LC diet, you might be stuck taking him to a much higher dose.
The even more cost effective treat would be cooked chicken. A boiled/microwaved/roasted chicken breast will go a long way if you cut it up into "treat" sized pieces. Using Temptations as a treat is about as effective in getting your cat regulated as shooting yourself in the foot.
Bobbie And Bubba
Member Since 2015
Expanding on what Marje said, when you start a LC wet diet for Silver, do it on a day that you are around to monitor. As the numbers can significantly drop. Fancy Feast CLASSICS are lower carb. The Roasted ones are more medium carb and any of the Gravy Lovers are going to be really high carb. You will want some higher carb if the event you need to steer up from a low number. Hint: Use a marker and put on the top on the higher carb cans that they are HC so you don't mistakenly give at meal times.
Oh, It looks like by your signature that you are all ready giving FF Classics. That's great. And yes, those temptations are like giving the kitty a candy bar.
Oh, It looks like by your signature that you are all ready giving FF Classics. That's great. And yes, those temptations are like giving the kitty a candy bar.
PussCatPrince - GA
Member Since 2017
AFAIK Juliet has been giving this low carb wet food forever. I knows this as when I started I looked at this FF classic product via her signature but they are too high phos for my cat.
He IS on low carb canned food. Listed in my signature.
Yes. Not sure where the idea came from that he’s not on lowcarb canned food. People sure jump to conclusions here. He gets one or two temptations at shot time. When I next have money I will look into something else. When.
Thanks @PussCatPrince. People misinterpret like crazy! Jump down people’s throat without checking facts right in front of them.
Thanks. I’ll try that. Can I buy packaged chicken slices?
PussCatPrince - GA
Member Since 2017
I do this as is suggested by @Sienne and Gabby (GA) . I buy chicken breast and poach it. Then chop it into treat size and freeze them.
You may not have facility to do all that so I would think cooked chicken slices would do the trick. Isn't it chicken that Silver does that melting moment lovely ,head on one side, look for
The vet gave me a MONSTER HUGE NO for the temptation treats when Ty's CKD was diagnosed. Shame for Ty as he liked them and we used them to play a hide and seek game with him. Ironic to think he then gave the monster huge yes for the prescription dry renal diet !
Yes you’re right but I can’t give him that. It’s barbecued chicken. I don’t cook at all. I couldn’t poach an egg let alone chicken. I’ll look for the packaged stuff then. Thanks.
PussCatPrince - GA
Member Since 2017
That's no bad thing.
Deli chicken, either packaged or sliced at the counter MAY be fine. Read the label carefully and/or drive the person at the counter crazy with questions. You need to be sure that the chicken isn't brined before it's cooked. Brining is soaking the chicken in a combination of sugar and salt. It can't be cooked with onions or garlic (onion family) since onions can contribute to aplastic anemia. And, obviously, no honey roasted chicken, barbecued chicken, etc. What you want is naked chicken or turkey. And ham is too salty. Depending on where you shop, they may have plain, unadulterated chicken or turkey breast in the prepared food case.
You may want to try to figure out if freeze dried chicken vs something that's already prepared are much different in price. I wasn't giving my kitty's big hunks of the freeze dried stuff. It lasts a while.
Another option as a treat is baby food. Many cats adore the stuff! You would want to buy either Gerber or Beechnut Stage 2 -- it's only broth and a protein. Beechnut does not contain any cornstarch whereas the Gerber's does. (The Gerber's is about 7% carb due to the cornstarch.)
You may want to try to figure out if freeze dried chicken vs something that's already prepared are much different in price. I wasn't giving my kitty's big hunks of the freeze dried stuff. It lasts a while.
Another option as a treat is baby food. Many cats adore the stuff! You would want to buy either Gerber or Beechnut Stage 2 -- it's only broth and a protein. Beechnut does not contain any cornstarch whereas the Gerber's does. (The Gerber's is about 7% carb due to the cornstarch.)
Gill & George
Member Since 2015
Some deli type meats are broiled using brine with sugars in them. So when you are looking make sure that you look at the ingredients and composition.
Will do, thanks. I stopped the Temptations tonight so will see. That could explain why he has such a food hike at +2 and takes half the cycle to get back to preshot number. Tonight I just gave him a teaspoon of his FF as the pre test treat until I can get to the store.
I'm in Canada - where would I find freeze dried chicken? Really I have very very little $ and spend more on the cats than on me. It may last a while - but you have to spend the full amount at once. I am about to run out of syringes and that's more of the priority for the budget. I unfortunately bought a big economy bag of Temptations that I can't now use. I just need a wee small thing to encourage him to come for his test and one after.
Kris & Teasel
Member Since 2016
You can buy "Pure Bites" freeze dried chicken at Pet Smart stores. The dog version is better value and you can break those larger chunks into small treats for your kitty. I don't recall the exact price - maybe around $7 CAD for a bag.
Thanks! I get my cat litter there so I’ll take a look.
Kris & Teasel
Member Since 2016
Just thought of this: Canadian Tire carries a similar product called "Pure Snacks" in the pet food section of the store. There are chicken and fish versions. I've only seen the cat packages and they're about $4 CAD. They might have dog packages in their food section.
And they are ok to give?
Kris & Teasel
Member Since 2016
Yes, they’re an American product and look exactly like the Pure Bites type.
Stacy & Asia
Member Since 2017
Paws crossed for less of a food spike tonight!
Check the ingredients list of the treat packages. It should just have one word, chicken, fish, turkey or whatever plain meat.
I’ll check when I go to bed. He was quite high at PMPS tonight.
No one is jumping on you Juliet. Consider this:
- people change things all the time and don’t update their signature block
- you said "I don’t measure carbs by % and calories. I’m not that obsessive. I have no time or energy for that. He is off dry food and that’s all I plan to do re his diet”.
Maybe ask next time what I am feeding him before responding. I was clearly referring to the treats in my reply to Stacy. And maybe re read your post to me. Kinder tone would have been better received.
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Same hike actually...will see what happens over next couple days without the Temptations and if same, then we know its not making any difference to his numbers.
Unfortunately, you didn’t say it was regarding treats and there is nothing in your signature block about treats.
There was nothing unkind in my tone.
Bobbie And Bubba
Member Since 2015
Juliet, you might want to consider Young Again Zero carb treats. My cats and dogs like them. They run about 7 bucks a pouch and last me one month and that is feeding treating 4 animals with them. I use them as my bribe for Bubba's test if he runs from me, I just have to shake the pouch. You can only get them directly from the company. They give free shipping with an order of $49 or more so I order enough to get the free shipping.
Please understand that everyone here is trying to help you. Sometimes things slip in the cracks and without everyone's brainstorming to offer ideas to me for Bubba, I don't think Bubba would be here now. I get that you are frustrated with not getting lower numbers and maybe that frustration is causing you to come across defensive and with a chip on your shoulder. Suggestions shouldn't be taken on as an attack. We are all on the same team to help you and Silver succeed. No one is trying to make you wrong; we are just trying to help you. . Remember, we are all volunteers and some of our veteran ones like Marje and Sienne remained here to help after their babies have passed. Obviously you love Silver so much or you wouldn't be here to seek help.
I have never met nicer kinder people than the family here on the board.
ETA: I checked your signature and wasn't sure where you were from. I just read up the post where you said you were in CA and I don't think Young Again ships to CA, but they might have changed that.
Please understand that everyone here is trying to help you. Sometimes things slip in the cracks and without everyone's brainstorming to offer ideas to me for Bubba, I don't think Bubba would be here now. I get that you are frustrated with not getting lower numbers and maybe that frustration is causing you to come across defensive and with a chip on your shoulder. Suggestions shouldn't be taken on as an attack. We are all on the same team to help you and Silver succeed. No one is trying to make you wrong; we are just trying to help you. . Remember, we are all volunteers and some of our veteran ones like Marje and Sienne remained here to help after their babies have passed. Obviously you love Silver so much or you wouldn't be here to seek help.
I have never met nicer kinder people than the family here on the board.
ETA: I checked your signature and wasn't sure where you were from. I just read up the post where you said you were in CA and I don't think Young Again ships to CA, but they might have changed that.
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We don’t get YA here.
I know people want to help but their tone is sharp and not kind on many occasions. It is very off putting and makes me want to quit this forum. As I already commented, encouragement while making a suggestion to do something different goes a lot further than the sharp dismissive comments I have received. @PussCatPrince and @Tracey&Jones and @Stacy & Asia know how to do this. We should follow their example of how to speak to people.
Anyways. I think the rules are not to comment in the previous day’s post.
Actually I was talking to STACY about treats do if you read the full conversation in her condo it was clear. Signing off from this thread.
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