martah
Member Since 2018
Hello all, we are new to this forum and I’m so happy to have found you. I don’t know what to do anymore and I have my suspicion our vets, here in Hong Kong, don’t know either. I apologize in advance for this long post.
Diagnosis
Allie has been diagnosed with DM and DKA in early December 2017. Usually a 7.7lb kitty, she lost 2lbs in one month leading to diagnosis. It happened when I was in hospital, and I didn’t see these dramatic changes happening.
She has been hospitalized three times since then. Twice with the local SPCA branch who did a great job pulling her out of DKA, and the last time with a private pet hospital here in Hong Kong. We changed the vets because SPCA told us they don’t know what to do anymore and they referred us to this clinic. They referred us to an internal medicine specialist, and while the new doctor got Allie out of the last DKA episode fast, I am questioning the follow up treatment.
Glargine conundrum
Why? Because he insisted on putting her back on the insulin that yielded no effects and resulted in 3 DKAs in the past 5 weeks.
The insulin is really the tricky part. She has been put on Glargine but with no success. Her BG has been going up instead of down after 35 days of treatment.
The doctors can’t get the dosage right. We started with 0.5 dose twice daily, we went through a phase of one dose per day because she was going hypoglycaemic, then we were back on a twice daily dose of 0.25. It has also been a rollercoaster on a daily basis, with BG readings ranging from 1.8 mmol/L (32.4 mg/dL) to 25.4 (257.2), just 12 hours apart in the most extreme case. The average spread between the minimum and maximum reading is at 260 mg/dL. In the past week or so, her BG was consistently over 320 mg/dL.
She started eating more as we progressed with the treatment, but she kept on losing weight, on average 100 grams per week. She was also thirsty like a desert cat and peeing a lot. My conclusion is that Glargine is not her drug.
Caninsulin
Yesterday, I had a loooong back-and-forth with the vets at the clinic and they finally agreed to try something else. They gave her Caninsulin and I’m waiting for an update. After hours of tongue pulling, they have admitted that she was not switched to another drug because they had nothing else in stock.
I hate when someone tries to make me believe their decision is based on medical evidence when it clearly is just an inventory issue. And it is happening at Allie’s expense. Shameful practice, considering she has been with this hospital for 5 days, they had her entire history of illness, and yet, they made no arrangements to provide better options.
My understanding is that Caninsulin is not as common and good in leading to remission. And that it is shorter-acting than Glargine. I understand why, having the two options, the vet wanted to try Glargine one more time as a long-term measure. I am wondering, Fellow DM Cat Carers, what are our other, better options. I want my vet to order something ASAP.
Our Routine: BG & Food
I often work from home during the day, so we have been testing her BG regularly, every 2-3 hours during the day and sometimes once or twice at night depending on the last reading at 11pm. We use Freestyle Optimum Neo, which was recommended to us by our vet. We are also using a smartphone app, RVC Pet Diabetes, to chart her BG curves and record food and insulin intake.
She is so skinny, I would give her anything she wants, but the reason kicked in and she has been on diabetic and grain free diet for the past 3 weeks. When at home, she eats dry m/d kibbles from Hills Diet, Diabetic pouches from Royal Canin, and Wellness Core Grain Free cans. I put my other two cats on the same diet to avoid temptations and slip-ups.
We feed them twice a day, 1-2 hours before the insulin shot. Now I realize that it may be a bit too early, but we did it for practical reasons.
The shots are scheduled for 9AM and 9PM so that hubby and I can take care of it without crazy rushes back home (we work very long hours in Hong Kong and if I need to go to the office, I’m never back before 8PM).
Other Issues
Allie has a long history of skin allergies and, recently, she suffered from an eye ulcer. Obviously, she has been prescribed steroids to treat both conditions. While we kept the skin treatment on very low and sporadic doses (think 5 years of treatment and no problems), the eye ulcer steroids pushed her into the DKA and DM condition. She has been off steroids since she has been diagnosed. The ulcer is still there, although smaller after an antiviral medication.
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Thank you in advance for reading all this. I am heartbroken. I’m in desperate need for advice what to do next.
Marta
Diagnosis
Allie has been diagnosed with DM and DKA in early December 2017. Usually a 7.7lb kitty, she lost 2lbs in one month leading to diagnosis. It happened when I was in hospital, and I didn’t see these dramatic changes happening.
She has been hospitalized three times since then. Twice with the local SPCA branch who did a great job pulling her out of DKA, and the last time with a private pet hospital here in Hong Kong. We changed the vets because SPCA told us they don’t know what to do anymore and they referred us to this clinic. They referred us to an internal medicine specialist, and while the new doctor got Allie out of the last DKA episode fast, I am questioning the follow up treatment.
Glargine conundrum
Why? Because he insisted on putting her back on the insulin that yielded no effects and resulted in 3 DKAs in the past 5 weeks.
The insulin is really the tricky part. She has been put on Glargine but with no success. Her BG has been going up instead of down after 35 days of treatment.
The doctors can’t get the dosage right. We started with 0.5 dose twice daily, we went through a phase of one dose per day because she was going hypoglycaemic, then we were back on a twice daily dose of 0.25. It has also been a rollercoaster on a daily basis, with BG readings ranging from 1.8 mmol/L (32.4 mg/dL) to 25.4 (257.2), just 12 hours apart in the most extreme case. The average spread between the minimum and maximum reading is at 260 mg/dL. In the past week or so, her BG was consistently over 320 mg/dL.
She started eating more as we progressed with the treatment, but she kept on losing weight, on average 100 grams per week. She was also thirsty like a desert cat and peeing a lot. My conclusion is that Glargine is not her drug.
Caninsulin
Yesterday, I had a loooong back-and-forth with the vets at the clinic and they finally agreed to try something else. They gave her Caninsulin and I’m waiting for an update. After hours of tongue pulling, they have admitted that she was not switched to another drug because they had nothing else in stock.
I hate when someone tries to make me believe their decision is based on medical evidence when it clearly is just an inventory issue. And it is happening at Allie’s expense. Shameful practice, considering she has been with this hospital for 5 days, they had her entire history of illness, and yet, they made no arrangements to provide better options.
My understanding is that Caninsulin is not as common and good in leading to remission. And that it is shorter-acting than Glargine. I understand why, having the two options, the vet wanted to try Glargine one more time as a long-term measure. I am wondering, Fellow DM Cat Carers, what are our other, better options. I want my vet to order something ASAP.
Our Routine: BG & Food
I often work from home during the day, so we have been testing her BG regularly, every 2-3 hours during the day and sometimes once or twice at night depending on the last reading at 11pm. We use Freestyle Optimum Neo, which was recommended to us by our vet. We are also using a smartphone app, RVC Pet Diabetes, to chart her BG curves and record food and insulin intake.
She is so skinny, I would give her anything she wants, but the reason kicked in and she has been on diabetic and grain free diet for the past 3 weeks. When at home, she eats dry m/d kibbles from Hills Diet, Diabetic pouches from Royal Canin, and Wellness Core Grain Free cans. I put my other two cats on the same diet to avoid temptations and slip-ups.
We feed them twice a day, 1-2 hours before the insulin shot. Now I realize that it may be a bit too early, but we did it for practical reasons.
The shots are scheduled for 9AM and 9PM so that hubby and I can take care of it without crazy rushes back home (we work very long hours in Hong Kong and if I need to go to the office, I’m never back before 8PM).
Other Issues
Allie has a long history of skin allergies and, recently, she suffered from an eye ulcer. Obviously, she has been prescribed steroids to treat both conditions. While we kept the skin treatment on very low and sporadic doses (think 5 years of treatment and no problems), the eye ulcer steroids pushed her into the DKA and DM condition. She has been off steroids since she has been diagnosed. The ulcer is still there, although smaller after an antiviral medication.
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Thank you in advance for reading all this. I am heartbroken. I’m in desperate need for advice what to do next.
Marta

