? Merry 12/20 4.1(74) PMPS/5.2(94) +1/6.3(113) +2/8.3(149) +3 - First Time Shooting Greens

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LuanneP

LuanneP

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Hi guys,
When I got home from work & checked Merry's BG it was 3.3. I double checked & it was 3.4 so it's a correct reading. He always eats a snack when I get home from work after I check his BG which he ate right up like usual. We're at +9 now, I haven't checked his BG again, but should I to be sure it's coming up & not going lower? If at PMPS it's still low like that, what do I do dose wise?
 
I would check 1/2 hour after the first test, to make sure he's coming up. With TR, reductions are earned if they go below 50, which he hasn't yet. You might want to spend some time reading the Sticky Note on Shooting and Handling Low Numbers. Though a lot can happen between now and then.

Awesome seeing green! :D
 
Wendy&Neko said:
I would check 1/2 hour after the first test, to make sure he's coming up. With TR, reductions are earned if they go below 50, which he hasn't yet. You might want to spend some time reading the Sticky Note on Shooting and Handling Low Numbers. Though a lot can happen between now and then. Awesome seeing green! :D
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Merry is at 3.7(67) at +9.5 so he didn't come up much after his snack. I have those important sticky notes all bookmarked & read them often, especially when Merry had his first greens in the middle of the night the other night but he was in the blues at preshot. This time I think he's still going to be in green. We'll see! So as long as he's above 50 I'll still give him the 4.75u. That's scary but I'm home so I can watch him closely.
 
LuanneP said:
Hi guys,
When I got home from work & checked Merry's BG it was 3.3. I double checked & it was 3.4 so it's a correct reading. He always eats a snack when I get home from work after I check his BG which he ate right up like usual. We're at +9 now, I haven't checked his BG again, but should I to be sure it's coming up & not going lower? If at PMPS it's still low like that, what do I do dose wise?
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LuanneP said:
Merry is at 3.7(67) at +9.5 so he didn't come up much after his snack. I have those important sticky notes all bookmarked & read them often, especially when Merry had his first greens in the middle of the night the other night but he was in the blues at preshot. This time I think he's still going to be in green. We'll see! So as long as he's above 50 I'll still give him the 4.75u. That's scary but I'm home so I can watch him closely.
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From our history with Toro: we wouldn't give him full dose if BG was under 5.5 (100) at PS (being new to greens and so). If we felt uncomfortable giving him the full dose, we reduced the dose by 0.25u or delayed the shot till the BG was over 5.5 and then give the full dose.
Good luck !
 
Yeah, I'm going to check at +11 for sure. Hopefully he's still going upwards.

Typically after his shot he doesn't have much movement until after +3 which is good in this case as long as he stays status quo as far as that goes & doesn't surprise me.

In the sticky about handling low numbers it says:
"If it is your first time shooting green, then we will likely suggest that you stall the first time, even if the number is 80-100. That will let you collect data on what your cat will do when you stall. One thing you can do if you are having a low cycle is to get a +10 and +11. Those will give you a good idea of how quickly the cat’s numbers are rising (or not) when preshot time arrives."

If he's still in green it will be my first time shooting green but I don't really want to stall either. I don't want to mess up his depot & I can't shoot any later than 8am because I have to go to work.
 
LuanneP said:
If he's still in green it will be my first time shooting green but I don't really want to stall either. I don't want to mess up his depot & I can't shoot any later than 8am because I have to go to work.
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I hear you.
Well, the +11 will let you another 60 min before the PS - rephrase your title to the need at hand by then and wait for responses/ advises to come in. Use ? as prefix, bump your own post often.
PS. Nice see the Greens, isn't it?
 
LuanneP said:
Yeah, I'm going to check at +11 for sure. Hopefully he's still going upwards.

Typically after his shot he doesn't have much movement until after +3 which is good in this case as long as he stays status quo as far as that goes & doesn't surprise me.

In the sticky about handling low numbers it says:
"If it is your first time shooting green, then we will likely suggest that you stall the first time, even if the number is 80-100. That will let you collect data on what your cat will do when you stall. One thing you can do if you are having a low cycle is to get a +10 and +11. Those will give you a good idea of how quickly the cat’s numbers are rising (or not) when preshot time arrives."

If he's still in green it will be my first time shooting green but I don't really want to stall either. I don't want to mess up his depot & I can't shoot any later than 8am because I have to go to work.
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I hope he comes up a little for you and you're able to shoot. It's nice to build on a low preshot. So excited Merry got to a good dose! Can't wait to see how he does on this dose! :D
 
So assuming he stays around that number, do I get brave & shoot the full 4.75u at shot time?
 
A good number but you must be terrified, of course.
Very well then,
do u think he will eat it all right if you serve higher carbs, like MC?
ETA: does he acts hungry?

I'd re-titled your post to something simpler like: 12/20 Merry +11 58 unsure about shooting PM" or sorts of.

BTW, why the +11 BG 58 is shown in black in your SS? It's not bad at all...
 
Tanya and Ducia said:
A good number but you must be terrified, of course.
Very well then,
do u think he will eat it all right if you serve higher carbs, like MC?
ETA: does he acts hungry?
I'd re-titled your post to something simpler like: 12/20 Merry +11 58 unsure about shooting PM" or sorts of.
BTW, why the +11 BG 58 is shown in black in your SS? It's not bad at all...
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Merry is always a good eater. I was wondering if I should mix a bit of high carb food in his dinner after he gets his shot. I have the Fancy Feast with gravy that's high carb. Merry will eat pretty much whatever I feed him :)

I'm not sure why that 58 is black on the US sheet, it's green on the World sheet. I tried changing the color to green but it won't change from black, I don't know why.
 
First and foremost, you need to be comfortable with what you decide to shoot. Nervous is OK, I think we all were nervous those first few green shots. If he is still dropping at shot time, I would be hesitant to shoot a full dose. Next on the list is supplies and ability to test. Since you do not have a lot of experience yet with how Merry does in the greens, having high carb food, some honey or syrup and plenty of test strips is a must. You also need to be prepared for a long night of testing if his numbers go low. Another option is the BCS (big chicken shot), and is usually around 2/3 to 3/4 of a normal dose. Keep in mind, the first half of the cycle can still be pretty active since he will still have the 4.75u depot affecting the numbers.

I was surprised when I started shooting green numbers and my boy just stayed flat compared to a drop in numbers when shooting a higher dose.

Let us know what you decide to shoot, I'll try to check back in and see how the numbers look.
 
LuanneP said:
So assuming he stays around that number, do I get brave & shoot the full 4.75u at shot time?
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the point is not to assume but rather to measure.
Whether or not to shot the full dose ot a half of it or to skip:
post here about:
are you able to stay up for hours and monitor, if needs be?
are all of the supplies in need are in order?
shooting full dose at a lower than used to number is something that everyone must face, eventually. But it is nerve racking...
 
Tanya and Ducia said:
the point is not to assume but rather to measure.
Whether or not to shot the full dose ot a half of it or to skip:
post here about:
are you able to stay up for hours and monitor, if needs be?
are all of the supplies in need are in order?
shooting full dose at a lower than used to number is something that everyone must face, eventually. But it is nerve racking...
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Yes, I would check his PMPS value for sure, just trying to gather info before hand so I can decide before the time comes.
I've been stocked up for lows since the beginning just to be safe. High carb foods, honey, maple syrup, always lots of test strips, and I have the time :)

This is what we've been working towards but it's scary when we get there.

saltycat said:
First and foremost, you need to be comfortable with what you decide to shoot. Nervous is OK, I think we all were nervous those first few green shots. If he is still dropping at shot time, I would be hesitant to shoot a full dose. Next on the list is supplies and ability to test. Since you do not have a lot of experience yet with how Merry does in the greens, having high carb food, some honey or syrup and plenty of test strips is a must. You also need to be prepared for a long night of testing if his numbers go low. Another option is the BCS (big chicken shot), and is usually around 2/3 to 3/4 of a normal dose. Keep in mind, the first half of the cycle can still be pretty active since he will still have the 4.75u depot affecting the numbers.
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If a reduced dose is ok I would feel more comfortable doing that because as you said, we don't know how Merry handles greens right now since it's new territory. Normally he doesn't move much until after +3 but we'll see what happens tonight.

I have to feed my dogs right now, I'll be checking back shortly. Still 20 mins or so until shot time.
 
LuanneP said:
If a reduced dose is ok I would feel more comfortable doing that because as you said, we don't know how Merry handles greens right now since it's new territory. Normally he doesn't move much until after +3 but we'll see what happens tonight.
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Better to be higher for a night then too low for even an hour. If you are not fully comfortable with shooting a green, then it won't hurt to do a partial dose tonight and get a few spot tests in to see how he handles the greens. Eventually you will become more accustomed to dealing with green numbers at shot time but boy is it nerve wracking the first few times:D

Safe surfing tonight Merry!
 
LuanneP said:
Yes, I would check his PMPS value for sure, just trying to gather info before hand so I can decide before the time comes.
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That's the thing - you cannot plan ahead before you got the PMPS and compare it to the +11 results. (I know, I love to plan for any contingecy possible, but it's not how it is with cats or FD). Let's wait for the PMPS to compare and think.
LuanneP said:
If a reduced dose is ok I would feel more comfortable doing that because as you said, we don't know how Merry handles greens right now since it's new territory. Normally he doesn't move much until after +3 but we'll see what happens tonight.
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Yes, - but since you said you have time+supplies= it might be a good opportunity to discover how exactly he responds to Greens. All on your comfort level, for sure.
 
Maybe I'll do 4.5u since he had a green for the first time at that dose and it's only 0.25u less. I can also stall half an hour tonight if I need to (depending on his PMPS) so I can shoot half hour later in the morning & then rush to work. I'm lucky as well as I have the ability to work from home so if Merry is low & we're still concerned in the morning I can just go to work, get my laptop & come back home for the day.

I'll post his PMPS number in about 10 mins!
 
LuanneP said:
Merry is 4.1 (74) at PMPS.
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if no food then he is going up - I'd shoot the full dose BUT:
you might need be up and testing for a long time - can you do it?
MC and LC - pull it out - are you good on that front?
lancets+ strips - all ready and sufficient?
I am no expert but got to beat some nasty lime greens and I am in California - will be up long time to keep you company, if you wish.

Seek other 's advise - there is still time for that.
If you are all good, if you think Merry'll eat - why not?...
 
@Tanya and Ducia I posted the above the same time you were posting. I have everything & Merry will eat no problem. He's crying for his dinner right now. I still have a few minutes to see if others think he should get full dose as well.
 
LuanneP said:
@Tanya and Ducia I posted the above the same time you were posting. I have everything & Merry will eat no problem. He's crying for his dinner right now. I still have a few minutes to see if others think he should get full dose as well.
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well then, I'd give a full dose.
Feed him his usual - no larger but with a teaspoon of gravy from higher (13 - 20%) carbs food.

Do not over feed - he'll need to eat 60 min later, then another 30 - 60 min later.(if needed, there is a bounce to consider, too, as well as the depot).
 
Thanks @Tanya and Ducia :) I appreciate your help tonight! Hopefully the rest of the evening will go well. Nervous but excited since we may have finally hit the right dose for Mr Merry! I just took this photo of my handsome boy for fun :)

Merry with tie & xmas hat.jpg
 
Good number!

Is it ok for you to get a +4 and then set an alarm to get a +8 or +9? Or do you have to go bed?

The +2 is higher than the preshot was and in most (but not all) cases it would mean that he is going up.
 
Nice food spike, Flat or dropping can make for a late night and some high carb food. I too like the idea of at least one more test overnight to see how he does with some greens.

ETA. As you probably know Lantus usually starts kicking in at around the +2 mark

Hopefully he doesn't bounce from his first trip into green
 
Love the numbers so far. Do you mind updating the subject line with his PM numbers so far.?Those of us looking to help will take a peak at the subject lines to see if anyone needs help. Sounds like he's good so far.
 
He's 8.3 (149) at +3 and this is when he gets his bedtime snack so he's eating again. It's safe to go to bed now & I'll get up around +7 or +8 to see what's going on then. Thanks all! Hopefully when I check again he'll be at a good number.
 
@Marje and Gracie Thats why the one field turned black & I couldn’t even change it to green manually. I must have added the column by mistake so please remove it for me when you can. Thanks :)
 
I appreciate it @Marje and Gracie :)

So Merry went up to 12.6 at +7 and at AMPS he was 13.2. He did well in those greens & I just hope now he's not going to bounce today. I'm hoping when I test him in a couple hours (I'm going to leave the office shortly & work from home the rest of the day so I can test him a couple times) that he'll be going back down again making his way to greens. Yesterday at AMPS he was in the 12s so I'm hoping he has the same kind of day today which would mean we have a good dose finally & might be looking at the decreases soon :)

Thanks to everyone for offering their advice & encouragement!!
 
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