D Mannose affects bgs?

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Ann & Liz

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Lila seems to have a urine infection. Has spent several hours back and forth to litter tray and passed very small amounts of blood stained urine. Vet has given a Convenia antibiotic inj. We are to get a urine sample into vet tomorrow for full testing. We wondered about trying D Mannose, wondering if it will affect bgs. Has anyone had any problems using it with a diabetic cat?
 
D-mannose didn't affect Saoirse's BG levels. Here's a link to a thread with a quite informative discussion about d-mannose:

http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/suggestions-on-urinary-health-cat-foods.146240/


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Thank you that looks very informative will look at it fully later. At the moment Lila is still going in and out of litter tray very frequently so hope the antibiotic starts to work soon, she has also started drinking a lot in the last few hours, presume thats likely with a possible infection?
 
I see from Lila's spreadsheet that her BG seems to be running a good bit higher at the moment (presumably due to the infection) and that might be a possible factor driving the increased fluid intake. It's a good thing for her to drink more; it will help to flush out her system. (Increased urine glucose levels really don't help matters when infection is present.)


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I see from Lila's spreadsheet that her BG seems to be running a good bit higher at the moment (presumably due to the infection) and that might be a possible factor driving the increased fluid intake. It's a good thing for her to drink more; it will help to flush out her system. (Increased urine glucose levels really don't help matters when infection is present.)


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Yes it's been a difficult few weeks, we thought we were losing her at one stage. She has lost a lot of weight and has bowel problems too. She has improved a bit on b12 injections and hopefully once the urine infection is sorted we may see some improvement again. Good to hear from you again, thank you.
 
D-mannose didn't affect Saoirse's BG levels. Here's a link to a thread with a quite informative discussion about d-mannose:

http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/suggestions-on-urinary-health-cat-foods.146240/


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Mogs, it's so good to see you back on the forum!!! We have missed you! I hope you are well; you are always in my prayers. :bighug:❤️:bighug:

Ann, Squallie was on a treatment dose and then has been on a lower, maintenance dose of d-mannose for a long time, it has never affected his BG (and he is very sensitive to carbs). He had lots of idiopathic UTIs before he was on it, but he hasn't had a single one since he started taking it. :):):)
 
Mogs, it's so good to see you back on the forum!!! We have missed you! I hope you are well; you are always in my prayers. :bighug:❤️:bighug:

Ann, Squallie was on a treatment dose and then has been on a lower, maintenance dose of d-mannose for a long time, it has never affected his BG (and he is very sensitive to carbs). He had lots of idiopathic UTIs before he was on it, but he hasn't had a single one since he started taking it. :):):)
Lila is still going repeatedly to the litter tray passing a few drops each time. The vet doesn't seem to have heard of D Mannose and we were going to wait before giving it to her in case it affects the urine sample that we need to take in to vet. However if she continues like this I think we may need to give it a try. Do you think it would affect results at all?
 
I reviewed this all just last night. I am concerned Gizmo may have a kidney infection and am considering starting it myself.

http://www.felinecrf.org/pyelonephritis_utis.htm#dmannose

D-mannose

D-mannose is a simple sugar, in fact it is actually the active ingredient in cranberry but without the downsides associated with cranberry.

A human study at the Washington University in St Louis School of Medicine, Establishment of a persistent Escherichia coli reservoir during the acute phase of a bladder infection(2001) Mulvey MA, Schilling JD & Hultgren SJ Infection and Immunity 69(7) pp 4572-9, found that in some cases the bacteria that cause urinary tract infections can burrow so deep into the bladder lining that they cannot be detected in the usual tests. D-mannose appears to be very helpful when dealing with this sort of infection.

It does not kill the bacteria as an antibiotic does; rather, it works by attracting the bacteria to bind with itself rather than with the bladder wall; the bacteria can then be passed out of the body via urination.

D-mannose will only work for urinary tract infections caused by E coli (and not all of them), and possibly for infections caused by Klebsiella bacteria. Klebsiella infections are rare, but E coli accounts for around 67% of urinary tract infections in cats.

I am not aware of any research into the use of D-mannose in cats but Effect of D-mannose and D-glucose on Escherichia coli bacteriuria in rats (1983) Michaels EK, Chmiel JS, Plotkin BJ & Schaeffer AJ Urological Research 11(2) pp97-102 found that it significantly reduced levels of E coli in rats. I have heard from a number of people who have tried this treatment on their cat, and all of them thought it was effective.

Although D-mannose is a type of sugar, it does not get absorbed by the digestive tract. Therefore it should be safe for diabetic cats, but check with your vet before using if your cat has diabetes.

Although D-mannose appears to be effective, it seems to work best for cats with a recurring UTI. If your CKD cat is prone to persistent, ongoing or repeated UTIs, speak to your vet about using

D-mannose is not intended to take the place of antibiotics. If your vet prescribes antibiotics, you must use them, because untreated urinary tract infections can rise into the kidneys and cause permanent damage, which is the last thing a CKD cat needs. See Treatments for more information on treating urinary tract infections.

D-mannose Dosage
  • A commonly used dose is 250-500mg twice a day. Managing the E coli UTI (2011) KuKanich KS NAVC Clinician's Brief Aug 2011 pp61-66 mentions a dose of 250-1000mg twice daily.

  • With most (but not all) brands, a ¼ of a teaspoon of the powder is 500mg, so if you are giving 250-500mg, you would give ⅛-¼ teaspoon twice a day, but check with your vet.

  • Some people find it works better if they divide the total amount over 3-4 doses a day.

  • Keep giving it for a week after the symptoms have disappeared.
Since it is a type of sugar, D-Mannose has a pleasant taste. It can be easily mixed with wet food or mixed with water and syringed into the cat's mouth.
 
Lila is still going repeatedly to the litter tray passing a few drops each time. The vet doesn't seem to have heard of D Mannose and we were going to wait before giving it to her in case it affects the urine sample that we need to take in to vet. However if she continues like this I think we may need to give it a try. Do you think it would affect results at all?
I really don't know whether or not it would have any effect on the test results, in and of itself, but I don't really see why it would, either.
 
I really don't know whether or not it would have any effect on the test results, in and of itself, but I don't really see why it would, either.
We decided it was important to try something as she was getting exhausted. So at 1.15 am we gave her 1/8 tsp dissolved in a little water then had to add a little cat soup to get her to take it. Lila then settled for best part of 4 hours. Lila then passed a good amount of urine. Symptoms are now ongoing again so have given her another dose. Will repeat every couple of hours I think till we get through this acute phase. What doses have you been using acute & maintenance?
 
We decided it was important to try something as she was getting exhausted. So at 1.15 am we gave her 1/8 tsp dissolved in a little water then had to add a little cat soup to get her to take it. Lila then settled for best part of 4 hours. Lila then passed a good amount of urine. Symptoms are now ongoing again so have given her another dose. Will repeat every couple of hours I think till we get through this acute phase. What doses have you been using acute & maintenance?
For acute symptoms I gave him 1/4 tsp twice a day, for maintenance he gets 1/8 tsp twice daily.
 
I've been using D-mannose for Babu, he came positive for e-coli , and after using it the culture came clean, I gave him 1/8 tsp twice a day, for two weeks ( until a second culture was made and he came clean) . It had no effect on his BG, after that I've been keeping him with 1/8tsp once a day and so far so good.

I tried giving it with food but he didn't like it so I dissolve it in 2 ml of water and I give it to him with a syringe he doesn't mind getting water that way, it helps his water intake ,we are done fast and I'm sure he's getting his full dose with out chasing him all over the house to finish his food ( he's not a great eater)
 
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