19 Sept | Girlie | AMPS 140; +2=50; +3=76; +3:30=61; +4=67 +4:30=58; +10:30=266

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Chubba said:
I was just looking at your spreadsheet. I agree not a definite nadir. Hope you are able to get her up soon and that she stays up.
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Me too!

Beenie said:
I would go with the syrup and re-test. Lets focus on keeping her above 68. I think she drops lower in the beginning of the cycle so she should start naturally going up soon too.
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I gave her 2 ml of the glucose syrup (pink bib needed, of course).

This is odd behaviour on her part: usually the HC will bring her right up. I'm not sure why she's still sliding back down with the HC food.

I'll test her again in 20: hopefully HC and glucose syrup will bring her up.
 
Gotta have the pink bib or a Superman bib...either one:joyful:
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Bron and Sheba said:
She looks like she nadirs between +5 and +7 but it moves around on different days. So if you get a low number like 50 at +2 you are going to have to be vigilant until at least +7 and possible later. That is because the insulin is going to continue to try and lower the bsl until nadir, when it's effects will start to wear off.
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I'm confused: her +2 to +4 are almost always her lowest numbers - or am I missing something? :confused:
 
I wonder why it was a struggle this time to get her to stay up with the HC 20?

On 11 Sept her AMPS was 148 and she went down to 52 @+2, but the HC16 brought her right up. I guess they like to keep us on our toes?
 
Girlie's mom said:
I'm confused: her +2 to +4 are almost always her lowest numbers - or am I missing something? :confused:
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Her onset looks like it is around about +2 (if she is having an active cycle) then for the next few hours she is either dropping or you have fed her to keep her up a bit so it is hard to say exactly where the nadir is.....it can change day to day. But you are right....most of her lower numbers are early in the cycle. Just be aware that if she drops low like she did today, you will need to test frequently and probably feed her to keep her in a safe number, until the insulin starts to wear off.

Girlie's mom said:
I wonder why it was a struggle this time to get her to stay up with the HC 20?
On 11 Sept her AMPS was 148 and she went down to 52 @+2, but the HC16 brought her right up. I guess they like to keep us on our toes?
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Yes they do like us to be on our toes. Every cycle is different but you will get to know your cat...as the saying goes......
She is obviously needing less insulin than on the 11 sept so that may be why it is harder to bring her up.
 
Beenie said:
I'll check in before heading to bed which won't be much longer:rolleyes:. DH is watching the Giants and I'm shot. So wait if its tomorrow already for you..in the future:p do you know if the Giants won?:smuggrin:
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Oh please do go to bed! It was so kind of you to sit with me. I'm in Australia, so I have no idea what the Giants are doing! Then again, if I were back in the US I still wouldn't know what the Giants were doing as I never really watched football...except when I was living in Chicago: I'd get a deep dish pizza and watch the Bears...or I'd just get a deep dish pizza and say I watched the Bears... :-)
 
Bron and Sheba said:
Her onset looks like it is around about +2 (if she is having an active cycle) then for the next few hours she is either dropping or you have fed her to keep her up a bit so it is hard to say exactly where the nadir is.....it can change day to day. But you are right....most of her lower numbers are early in the cycle. Just be aware that if she drops low like she did today, you will need to test frequently and probably feed her to keep her in a safe number, until the insulin starts to wear off.


Yes they do like us to be on our toes. Every cycle is different but you will get to know your cat...as the saying goes......
She is obviously needing less insulin than on the 11 sept so that may be why it is harder to bring her up.
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Good tips and info, Bron - thank you!

I think the closest she's ever come to a few stable cycles in a row has been 16 - 18 Sept. Is it just me, or does she seem determined to go down with her insulin? This will be her 3rd reduction in a row since 2 September. I'm not complaining - I just find this interesting.
 
Glad to see she's come up to the blues for you. It's usually harder to get them up earlier in the cycle when the insulin is stronger. I dare say Girlie is getting tired of insulin. All this time in green, while really, really hard on you, is good for her.
 
Wendy&Neko said:
Glad to see she's come up to the blues for you. It's usually harder to get them up earlier in the cycle when the insulin is stronger. I dare say Girlie is getting tired of insulin. All this time in green, while really, really hard on you, is good for her.
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Thanks so much, Wendy - that's good to know. I'm thrilled with the blues and dark greens, and I'm getting used to his shark swimming routine of hers - I just wish she wouldn't do it on days when I have appointments or am supposed to go in to work. :oops:

I hate to switch to the SLGS when we're making such great progress, but I'm really going to get in trouble if I do this next week, as well. Would switching to SLGS mess her up, do you think? I don't know whether there's a chance she could stabilize or even go into remission or at least find a nice green place to rest for a while... You've seen so many cats go through this, Wendy: what do you think, or is it impossible to know?
 
rhiannon and shadow (GA) said:
good thing you stuck around....
she has definitely earned her reduction.


slgs still gets them there, it's just less aggressive.
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Thanks so much! She put all paws down and then some for this reduction, I'd say. I'm feeling so positive that she had great blue numbers and didn't bounce when she had greens yesterday...and now she's insisting on this reduction today. We'll see how she goes over the next few days. When work puts its foot down, then that will be that, and if we have to go to SLGS, then we will. These next few days and this weekend are all we have left of TR, I'm afraid, unless she decides to settle for a while...

I'm assuming that I can go in to work if she's still going up at her next test? She'll be at +6 then, and that will make three blue numbers in a row, albeit with the help of HC food after each test.
 
I think her nadir in most part is around plus 4 to 5, she does seem to nadir earlier. I couldn't be wrong. Mind you she does like to dive every once in a while ealier, probably heard you say you had to go to work, so she figured out how to keep you home.
 
Marvin's Mom - Nat said:
I think her nadir in most part is around plus 4 to 5, she does seem to nadir earlier. I couldn't be wrong. Mind you she does like to dive every once in a while ealier, probably heard you say you had to go to work, so she figured out how to keep you home.
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She got her wish, that's for sure!
 
She went down from 167 to 155, but that still looks good, so I think I'm going to leave the HC food and go in to work for the afternoon meeting. If anyone thinks that's not a good idea, let me know!
 
Girlie's mom said:
She went down from 167 to 155, but that still looks good, so I think I'm going to leave the HC food and go in to work for the afternoon meeting. If anyone thinks that's not a good idea, let me know!
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Did she go up on her own the last two consecutive tests? Its a general rule of thumb. I think you should wait to get another test and make sure the BG aren't all food influenced. I'm not sure if the last one MC/HC food was given...:blackeye:
 
Beenie said:
Did she go up on her own the last two consecutive tests? Its a general rule of thumb. I think you should wait to get another test and make sure the BG aren't all food influenced. I'm not sure if the last one MC/HC food was given...:blackeye:
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They're all food influenced, I'm afraid, and she's just gone down to 142. I guess this means I should stay home, still...

I didn't think about the food influence thing: I just kept giving her some HC food (small amounts) rather than wait to see what she did on her own.
 
So her most recent numbers:
+5=148 + HC food
+5:30 = 155 + HC food

+6=152 - no food
+6:15=142 - no food
+6:30=140 - no food

I'll stay around and see how she goes - that's better, isn't it? Next time I'll turn to the glucose syrup earlier to bring her up if I'm in this situation where she drops so quickly so early, maybe? :-)
 
Just thinking back to the start of this: I am SO glad that she dove at +2 when I was about to walk out the door this morning! Shivers at thinking of her going through today without enough HC food or glucose syrup...yikes...
 
If you can sneak in one more test to make you more comfortable, then that's what I would do. It would be worse that you leave and worry the whole time you are gone. I know it's hard.
 
Girlie's mom said:
Just thinking back to the start of this: I am SO glad that she dove at +2 when I was about to walk out the door this morning! Shivers at thinking of her going through today without enough HC food or glucose syrup...yikes...
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Or her body would have dumped hormones to correct. This scenario frightens me too :nailbiting:, what if they drop and we're not home. I've stayed home too on anticipation of an active cycle, people stay home for sick kids...to me, there is no difference. Unfortunately, the workplace doesn't always see it like that.
 
HC can wear off in around two hours, so if she is still safe after that time, you are good to go. I think you would have been fine leaving HC and going, given how late in the cycle and her numbers.

As for SLGS vs TR, the decision is what suits your life. TR has a better chance of remission, but Girlie has done most of her downward journey on TR so far. Base your decision on what works for you.
 
She's 160 right now, so that's an hour without food (started at 142 and now at 160).

I'll leave HC food and get back in 3 hours... she's at +7:30 now, and normally she'd be going up at this time anyway.
 
Gave 2.5 ml glucose syrup and left HC22 food out as she'd only been coming up on her own for an hour. I was surprised that she was only at 266 when I got back three hours later, especially as she'd eaten a lot of the HC food - or just eaten all of the gravy and some of the food.

She earned her reduction to 0.25 tonight; now I'm just hoping she'll eat a little something before her shot! :)

Many thanks to everyone for standing by me for this one - a little hairy when she wouldn't come up. Thank you so much! :bighug::bighug:
 
Girlie's mom said:
I still have a week or two when I can go in late if I absolutely have to, but that's going to end soon. :)
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Two weeks can bring a world of change. You and Girlie have made a lot of progress these past two weeks - she has gone from.75u to .25u.
Girlie's mom said:
I think the closest she's ever come to a few stable cycles in a row has been 16 - 18 Sept. Is it just me, or does she seem determined to go down with her insulin? This will be her 3rd reduction in a row since 2 September. I'm not complaining - I just find this interesting.
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When healing takes place the picture changes- for the better.
Girlie's mom said:
I didn't think about the food influence thing: I just kept giving her some HC food (small amounts) rather than wait to see what she did on her own.
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She earned her reduction; an HC fest is one way to abort the cycle. Good job!
 
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