4 Aug | Girlie | AMPS 545; +2=306; +4=76 | HC or LC?

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Girlie is having another interesting day, dropping from black to green in four hours...
AMPS: 545
+2 = 306
+4=76 (ate LC food 20 min before test)

Yesterday she had pink, yellow, red and black:
AMPS: 333
+2: 306
+4: 212 (gave some HC FF as had to go into work for several hours)
+7: 448
PMPS: 716

She's had only LC food this morning, but I was just supposed to go into work again for an hour or two. I'll delay it to see how she goes. I know she's not at 68 yet, but from 545 to 76 in four hours seems like a really big drop to me, so I'm thinking that HC would be good right now - or should I just give her LC food and test in a half hour?

I do wish she'd be less entertaining! :-)
 
With her clearing bounces so quickly, it may be a good idea to give HC with insulin if you need to go into work. I have done that with Rex, mostly to prevent him from going into lime greens.
 
Mandy & Rex said:
With her clearing bounces so quickly, it may be a good idea to give HC with insulin if you need to go into work. I have done that with Rex, mostly to prevent him from going into lime greens.
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Thanks, Mandy -

Other people have mentioned that she clears bounces quickly. I'm still a little unclear re: bounces and when they clear. If she's in the black (as she was last night and this morning) and then goes to pink and then yellow or blue (or in this case, dark green), does that mean she's cleared the bounce? But then yesterday she went pink / yellow / red / black, and the day before that she was black / yellow / blue / pink / black: so many colours in one day! So I see her going up and diving down... where do you see her clearing the bounce? :confused:
 
Okay: she's up to 113 now after having a mix of 1/2 LC and 1/2 HC. I wonder if I could dash out for two hours, if I leave some HC or LC food, or if I should just stay with her to be safe?

I feel like I ask the same questions every day! I'm laughing at myself, but I really appreciate everyone's patience with me and my Girlie... :)

I'm reading the Cat on a pogo stock discussion; I don't know why I have such trouble understanding bounces. It must be the numbers: I see numbers and my mind just goes straight to confusion land...:confused:...sigh...which is why I majored in Literature instead.
 
I would test in 1/2 hour, and if she's still up or on her way up, leave LC and dash out. It could be the HC propping her up or she could be on her way up on her own. The effects of HC usually go away in two hours. You don't want to be gone and have her come back down again.
 
Wendy&Neko said:
I would test in 1/2 hour, and if she's still up or on her way up, leave LC and dash out. It could be the HC propping her up or she could be on her way up on her own. The effects of HC usually go away in two hours. You don't want to be gone and have her come back down again.
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144 @ +5:30
Her poor little ears! :(
 
Wendy&Neko said:
Can you mix 1/2 LC and 1/2 HC to get MC? And yes, definitely test in 30 minutes.
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She seems to be dropping at +4/+5 every day for the last few cycles. She usually eats LC food every hour or two herself; I wonder if I should give her a tsp of HC food at +3 to preemptively try to slow her going down as quickly as she does as she is eating LC food at +2 and +3 and she still goes down by +4 and +5. Or is that a silly idea? I have higher cal wet food ranging from 9 - 16 (and up). Her LC food is usually under 5 and usually much lower than that.
 
I know you all are probably going to sleep soon (and well-deserved!), but I'm wondering: is the fact that I've given her tsps of HC food at +4 from Aug 1 - 3 (today's the 4th for me) a possible cause of problems with her cycles and numbers? As she grazes on her LC during the morning and still drops a fair bit, it seemed like the HC might help to slow her drop, but then Mandy said she wouldn't give HC unless she drops to 68, so...? Just wondering if I'm the cause of her colourful chart. :-)
 
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I know you all are probably going to sleep soon (and well-deserved!), but I'm wondering: is the fact that I've given her tsps of HC food at +4 from Aug 1 - 3 (today's the 4th for me) a possible cause of problems with her cycles and numbers? As she grazes on her LC during the morning and still drops a fair bit, it seemed like the HC might help to slow her drop, but then Mandy said she wouldn't give HC unless she drops to 68, so...? Just wondering if I'm the cause of her colourful chart. :)
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Hi. I had to charge my phone.

I said no HC that time because in my mind, I was thinking you should use LC or maybe MC to show down those steep drops. I'm sorry for not explaining that thoroughly. I did see that @Bron and Sheba came in later and gave you some good ideas. You're not causing the rainbows... It's just her body panicking to the new low numbers.

As for the bounces, I can't really explain it well. I hope someone comes in and words it better. If you want answers, put question in your title. :)

I'm heading off to bed. It looks like she's safe. :bighug:
 
Cats are different in how carb sensitive they are. For some cats, regular LC will slow the drop. Others need a higher (may 8-9%) LC, others need MC or HC. You need to experiment to see what works for Girlie. Regular LC is not doing the job. And slowing the drop is an excellent idea. Fast drops often cause worse bounces than going low.

Numbers can wobble around quite a bit during bounces. You can tell she's cleared the bounce when she gets down to green or low blue on this dose, as that seems to be where this dose takes her.
 
Hi Darrah, just looked at Girlies SS and I see you have written '? Fur shot this am or food related'. I assume you are referring to the high AMPS and even higher +2 and 3. Unless you know you did a fur shot....you can smell the insulin on the fur or feel the wetness.......I think Girlie is bouncing from the fast drop down to 76 yesterday morning.
She is a very bouncy cat because she has fast drops and in my experience, the only way to stop bouncing from fast drops is to test each hour from the beginning of the cycle (if she is going to drop that cycle) and feed her with high enough carb food to slow down the drop. It is trial and error and then try again.
When Sheba was doing what Girlie is doing, I spent a week or more testing hourly and feeding when needed to get her down safely into better numbers.
It takes time and can be frustrating but persevere. ..and don't be hard on yourself.:bighug:
 
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