? Bounce within a bounce?

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fearlessmom

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I'd like to pick the brains of any individuals who have experience with bouncy cats. Please look at the last 4 days of Fearless's SS and tell me what you see. I understand the big bounce of PMPS on 7/26 caused by dropping below 100 earlier that day. What I don't understand is the last 3 cycles spent surfing only to bounce again. Is this usual? Is he receiving the correct dose? Any input would be appreciated.
 
The 1.25 u dose gave you some nice dark greens recently so I think it's a good dose. Yes, it's possible that he's bounced from that lovely blue surf. It could also be just a wonky number or even a wonky strip. Retesting immediately when you get an unexpected result can usually sort that out.

As for weird responses: bouncy cats are erratic, unpredictable and surprising in their responses to insulin. They can behave "normally" for a cycle or two and then go spinning off into the wild blue yonder. It's part of who they are. There can be a bit less of this behaviour if you get to a dose that keeps a tight lid on the BG. Problem is, they can give a lovely string of low blues and dark greens - until the bottom falls out and you have lime green numbers. It's hard to get to a point where you say, OK, I know my cat's responses well so I think he'll do x or y on this dose. Don't count on it!
 
Kris & Teasel said:
It could also be just a wonky number or even a wonky strip. Retesting immediately when you get an unexpected result can usually sort that out.
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I would have retested this morning if I hadn't seen that 300 last night (at his usual nadir to boot!) What are the odds that two consecutive strips are wonky? Low to none I would think.
 
fearlessmom said:
I would have retested this morning if I hadn't seen that 300 last night (at his usual nadir to boot!) What are the odds that two consecutive strips are wonky? Low to none I would think.
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Correct. I wish I could say there was a way to figure this out and keep a bouncy cat from bouncing. In my experience (18 months with my guy) there isn't.
 
Ugh, wondering if Fearless is playing the high before a low game. Certainly isn't a nice number to wake up to :bighug::bighug::bighug: I've seen very bouncy kitties and sometimes they eventually flatten out and sometimes not. Some even bounce like crazy all the OTJ. Today is the 6th cycle from those greens so it will be interesting to see what he does today. Hang in there.
 
I don't think the rules apply to Fearless. His bounces have ranged from 1 cycle to 14 cycles (see SS). I don't expect him to get back into the greens today. Maybe, since he's @ 240 right now (same as 2 days ago at this time), he'll decide to surf like he did after the first "half" of his current bounce.
 
A lot of times we see flat cycles before a bounce breaks. One thing I often see with Chino is that he'll go higher than usual right before he comes crashing down. I'm seeing 3 very flat cycles, followed by a continuous rise that looks a lot like what Chino tends to do at the end of a bounce. Looks like he's definitely coming down today. If you don't see green on this cycle, you might see it on the next one.
 
Numbers can bobble around a lot during a bounce. Don't try to over analyze what is happening during a bounce. Nadirs can also change, especially during a breaking bounce.

Cat bounce for three reasons; going lower than they are used to (7//6 AM), fast drops (PM cycles of 26 and 27), and long times in better numbers than they are used to (long stretch of blue starting PM 27). The start of a bounce can also be delayed.

I don't see the long bounces you mention, sometimes they don't get down to green when the bounce is done. Seven cycles after the low on the 20th, he broke his bounce and got to low blue, then bounced again. :rolleyes:

The solution? A nice pair of patience pants. Over time and seeing more green, the bounces will hopefully diminish in height. Some cats bounce forever. Be thankful for bounces, they let you get out and do things.
 
Wendy&Neko said:
I don't see the long bounces you mention, sometimes they don't get down to green when the bounce is done.
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Someone else here told me that a bounce isn't over until he's back in the green, so I've been counting bounce cycles between time spent under 100. What, then, is the cut-off point? Was the bounce (off the last greens he saw) that started 7/26 PM over when he hit blue again?
 
When you do a reduction, and after the bounce is over and they aren't in green, that's a failed reduction. Is that what you were thinking of? Cats that aren't seeing any green, or even blue for that matter, can still bounce and not get to green.
 
Wendy&Neko said:
I don't see the long bounces you mention, sometimes they don't get down to green when the bounce is done.
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What I was referring to was that since he bounced off greens, the bounce wouldn't officially have cleared until he returned to greens. That's how I've been counting the duration of his bounces (see comments section of his SS after a bounce clears to see how long that bounce lasted). I am working off info from a post on May 24, as follows:
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Right now, you're pretty much going to see bounces in-between the cycles that drop him into greens. Once he sees more greens, he should clear his bounces faster. At least that's the plan. Some cats have other ideas.

Fearless is not clearing his bounces quickly like you seem to think. At this point in time (this will change, but for right now), his bounce hasn't cleared until he has returned to green or a number which is close to the number that sent him bouncing in the first place.

In other words if kitty is bouncing from a green, he's not clearing the bounce when he drops to a blue number. He hasn't cleared the bounce until he goes back to green.
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Yes, but you also reduced the dose, so he would not get quite as low as he would have on the higher dose.
 
I guess what I'm trying to ask (and not doing a very good job of it, obviously) relates to what Jill said back in May. Forgetting about the reduction taken 9 days ago (since the dose has since been increased), let's just look at the last 4 days. Fearless dropped to nice greens during the day on the 26th, then bounced to 506 that evening. Then he spent a cycle in the 200s and three straight cycles in the 100s before bouncing again to 517. I called it a "bounce within a bounce" because I thought (based on what Jill said) that the bounce from the 26th had/has not yet cleared (since he hasn't seen green again). On the other hand, if the bounce cleared when he hit blue, then it was only a 2-cycle bounce. And after 3 cycles in nice blues, he bounced again and is now on his 2nd full cycle of the bounce off that string of blues.

So which is it? It would be extremely helpful for me to know when I can expect bounces to clear since this will help me anticipate when Fearless will likely head lower and I can be prepared to do more and earlier testing and/or steer with food.
 
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So what you're saying is that dropping into the lower blues today IS a break in the bounce from the three cycles of blues (7/27 PM thru 7/28), and that THAT drop to lower blues WAS a break from the bounce that resulted from the green of 7/26. Is that correct? Meaning a cat does NOT have to return to green after a bounce off of green in order to be considered breaking the bounce? A drop to lower blues (or any blues?) CAN indicate that a bounce off greens has broken? If this IS the case, then yes, Fearless is NOT bouncing for days and days as I once thought. Pls confirm I am understanding you correctly. Thanks.
 
Low blues are within meter variance of green, so yes, I would consider a cycle down the low blue anbounce breaking cycle.
 
OK, then here's my next question: what do you consider low blue? I've seen lots of different numbers for the "safe" range. Someone on this forum mentioned 50-120. Another study I read put the non-diabetic range at 50-130. I know there is a 20% variance on meters, so what number should be the cut-off I should be looking for when Fearless is bouncing off green (or blue) and is then moving into the lower range of blue once again. 130? 120? Lower still?
 
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