Urinary problems or what? Rocky needs help

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Marlena

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My brain is stretched trying to figure out what is troubling Rocky. He seems to be OK but I have a gut feeling that something is not quite right with him.
His symptoms:
very whingy, meowing a lot, getting aggressive towards poor dog specially when I can't keep his BG below 7.
On some days it is impossible to regulate his BG and he stays in higher numbers (for him) all day.
He often licks his genital area and his tummy is bold. I'm not sure about his toileting habits but he seems doing all right. He was recently treated for UTI with antibiotics as he had blood in urine. After finishing antibiotics 3 weeks ago he wasn't doing any better and we had an accident when he peed on me without realising that while he was asleep on my lap. That meant a trip to the vet. She gave me results over the phone which I misunderstood and she told me that everything is OK, only spec gravity is a bit low so Rocky doesn't concentrate urine very well but because other tests previously were good we have not a definite diagnosis.
Only today when I picked up a copy of his test results I noticed that his urine pH is high meaning it is too alkaline. The vet did not mention that at all and the ref range on the lab paper is 5.5 - 7.5. It is strange to me because I know that healthy cat should be between 6 - 6.5. Anything above that is alkaline urine which can predispose a cat to struvite stones. The only thing is the urine can present as more alkaline if the test is performed after cat had a meal before the test which is a case with Rocky. But than I don't think it is wise to ignore findings if I can see some symptoms which bothers me. It looks like Rocky could really head towards remission but there is something wrong with him and it messes up his glucose levels. So he had cysto and there is no trace of blood, no bacteria, no infection or inflammation. He gets a lot of water in his food and he drinks good amount as well so seems to be well hydrated.
If any of you dear fellow cat people have any ideas I would be most grateful for your opinions.
Lots of hugs to you all and thanks for any input.
Marlena and Rocky
 
From what you're describing, Rocky is obviously in pain. Genital licking can be a sign of crystals causing - or getting close to causing - a urethral blockage. This would be considered an emergency and can kill a cat within about 72 hours if not treated. Have x-rays or an ultrasound been done to check for bladder stones?
 
Hi, I am sorry Rocky is feeling "off"
Have you ever tried using D Mannose? It is effective for ecoli as the bacteria would prefer to stick to that than the bladder-it is tasteless and you can get it at amazon or a health food store-
I prefer the 100% d mannose NO cranberry especially if you suspect too much alkaline.
For some reason it seems to help cats who even test negative for the bacteria but still have symptoms.
If you do try it , it would be good to give sq fluids because that is what will flush the bacteria out if it is there.
If Rocky has ANY heart condition do not give fluids without consulting with your vet.

Also traumeel is great for soft tissue inflammation. @Bobbie And Bubba swear by it.

My Dre had stones many years ago-they saw 3 in a exray but when they did the surgery he had 1
He had passed 2 without me knowing-
prayers....:bighug:
 
From what you're describing, Rocky is obviously in pain. Genital licking can be a sign of crystals causing - or getting close to causing - a urethral blockage. This would be considered an emergency and can kill a cat within about 72 hours if not treated. Have x-rays or an ultrasound been done to check for bladder stones?
Thank you very much.
Rocky is under constant supervision of his vet and so far we haven't found any stones in his urinary track - he has a scan and has repeated urine tests. His output of urine is very large and his urine is diluted so it is probably helpful when it comes to flushing his bladder. I'm very aware of blockage problems and watch out for symptoms but what else can I do? I'm going to speak with the vet today and see what she has to say about the whole situation. I'm also tweaking Rocky's diet a little bit to try to make his urine more acidic.
 
Hi, I am sorry Rocky is feeling "off"
Have you ever tried using D Mannose? It is effective for ecoli as the bacteria would prefer to stick to that than the bladder-it is tasteless and you can get it at amazon or a health food store-
I prefer the 100% d mannose NO cranberry especially if you suspect too much alkaline.
For some reason it seems to help cats who even test negative for the bacteria but still have symptoms.
If you do try it , it would be good to give sq fluids because that is what will flush the bacteria out if it is there.
If Rocky has ANY heart condition do not give fluids without consulting with your vet.

Also traumeel is great for soft tissue inflammation. @Bobbie And Bubba swear by it.

My Dre had stones many years ago-they saw 3 in a exray but when they did the surgery he had 1
He had passed 2 without me knowing-
prayers....:bighug:

Dear Jayla!
I used d-mannose for Rocky when he had a bladder E-coli infection, it did not help at all and he ended up on a long and strong course of antibiotics. I did use d-mannose properly, meaning that I used a good dose and frequent dosing for a longer period of time. But I would not reject its value entirely as I have seen results elsewhere so I'm considering this again.
The reason some cats have negative test for bacteria might be that no test is 100 percent accurate and these bacteria tend to burrow themselves deep into places in the urinary track and do not show on tests. Another is sterile cystitis. I have experienced that with Rocky. He had symptoms but properly run urine culture did show nothing and when his symptoms persevered he had a test again and he was diagnosed with severe E-coli infection. Now I'm thinking that urine pH might have something to do with bacteria overload in bladder but I still can not find what really happens - infection/inflammation causing the pH to be alkaline or alkaline urine help bacteria to thrive? I hope that somebody knows.
I don't think I need to give Rocky sq fluids as he is well hydrated and drinks a lot of water and has water in his food. But I don't know much about sq fluids so if you can give more info whether it would be suitable for my cat or if somebody else on this forum would like to suggest the best approach it would be most appreciated.

I'm going to check Traumeel - I have not heard about that, many thanks for that suggestion.
Sending love to everybody
Marlena:cat:
 
((((Marlena)))) just sending you hugs and wishes that you can sort this out for Rocky very soon. He couldn't hope for a better, more dedicated cat mum, that's for sure.
 
Hi Marlena, it sounds like he is over grooming the genitals because he is uncomfortable. I have use Trameel on myself and also used it on Bubba before his eye was removed and he had zero swelling and used it after his right eye was removed.

For sturvite crystals I used organic blueberry powder in my civvies food to help make the urine more acidic so crystals couldn't form. Eventually, I switched to Wellness cat food as they add cranberry for just that reason. He hasn't had an issue with it in years and years.

If you have a copy of the latest lab results and could post them on the lab sheet maybe @Marje and Gracie could look at them and she if she could help you with what is toing on. She is the "go to" person for lab results.
 
Dear Jayla!
I used d-mannose for Rocky when he had a bladder E-coli infection, it did not help at all and he ended up on a long and strong course of antibiotics. I did use d-mannose properly, meaning that I used a good dose and frequent dosing for a longer period of time. But I would not reject its value entirely as I have seen results elsewhere so I'm considering this again.
The reason some cats have negative test for bacteria might be that no test is 100 percent accurate and these bacteria tend to burrow themselves deep into places in the urinary track and do not show on tests. Another is sterile cystitis. I have experienced that with Rocky. He had symptoms but properly run urine culture did show nothing and when his symptoms persevered he had a test again and he was diagnosed with severe E-coli infection. Now I'm thinking that urine pH might have something to do with bacteria overload in bladder but I still can not find what really happens - infection/inflammation causing the pH to be alkaline or alkaline urine help bacteria to thrive? I hope that somebody knows.
I don't think I need to give Rocky sq fluids as he is well hydrated and drinks a lot of water and has water in his food. But I don't know much about sq fluids so if you can give more info whether it would be suitable for my cat or if somebody else on this forum would like to suggest the best approach it would be most appreciated.

I'm going to check Traumeel - I have not heard about that, many thanks for that suggestion.
Sending love to everybody
Marlena:cat:
Hi hun,
I am personally a fan of sq fluids for many reasons but many have other views and feel it is not the best way to go.
In my experience the only time fluids did not help virtually any health issue is if they have a heart condition which of course is a huge Nono-
keeping you in my prayers..
 
((((Marlena)))) just sending you hugs and wishes that you can sort this out for Rocky very soon. He couldn't hope for a better, more dedicated cat mum, that's for sure.
Thank you Diana.
Rocky seems to feel better today. And his numbers are better too.
I hope you and your kitty are good.
:):cat::)
 
Hi Marlena, it sounds like he is over grooming the genitals because he is uncomfortable. I have use Trameel on myself and also used it on Bubba before his eye was removed and he had zero swelling and used it after his right eye was removed.

For sturvite crystals I used organic blueberry powder in my civvies food to help make the urine more acidic so crystals couldn't form. Eventually, I switched to Wellness cat food as they add cranberry for just that reason. He hasn't had an issue with it in years and years.

If you have a copy of the latest lab results and could post them on the lab sheet maybe @Marje and Gracie could look at them and she if she could help you with what is toing on. She is the "go to" person for lab results.

Bobbie,
thank you so much.
There is no evidence of any stones or crystals but Rocky definitely is uncomfortable and this is going on for sometime.
Many thanks for the tips. I will check it out.
Sending love to you darling,
Marlena
 
Hi all,
I spoke with my vet today to discuss problems with Rocky.
First of all I strongly suggested that there is a problem as Rocky has symptoms which I can't ignore. All tests done don't support the idea that Rocky has stones and the vet thinks that it is not the problem but she agreed that it is some sort of urinary illness.
She said that his urine pH is normal (!) and she sees a lot of animals in her clinic with variety of urine pH and she checked Rocky's previous results and they were very similar so it is his norm. I did not buy it. I found research that concluded that healthy cat's urine pH should be 6-6.5. I also asked her if she could give Rocky a very small supplement of potassium as his levels are at the bottom of the range and I would like this just a bit higher. She wasn't very enthusiastic about that but she said she would think about it all (she was referring to her manual all the time we were talking) and will get back to me. I really like her, her approach because she is very willing to work with me and check things and she is quite impressed with my dedication. So I suggested that we might need to do more testing like an X-ray to see Rocky's urinary tract. If she can't sort out the problem I have asked for referral to the renal specialist.
So for the record Rocky's recent test results are:
urine pale yellow, clear
SG 1.015
pH 7.5
everything including culture is negative/normal
the urine sediment is inactive with no evidence of inflammation or infection.
Thank you all for your time and advice, I really appreciate that.
God bless you all.
Marlena:):cat:
 
Marlena

I am so sorry you are still having problems with Rocky. The only thing I can add is to ask your vet whether the urinalysis was done with a Chemstrip test strip or with a refractometer, which is a urine analysis machine. The refractometer is more accurate than the strips and it is best to test the urine as soon as it is collected.


"In-office tests are usually done using chemically impregnated paper strips. They are OK for rough approximation of your pet’s urine pH, but not much more than that."

http://www.2ndchance.info/dxme-pHurine.htm

I use the chemstrips at home and try to do a test once a week in order to keep a running idea of SG PH and blood in urine (which could show a possible UTI) as well as a few other readings.


ETA "There are several medications that may interfere with these chemical tests and cause false results. Be sure to let your veterinarian know about any medications and/or supplements your animal is taking. If any of the values on the urinalysis are significantly higher or lower than normal, your veterinarian may suggest waiting several days to several weeks and then checking another sample to see if the abnormality is still present. "

http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=2+2116&aid=3136
 
Marlena

I am so sorry you are still having problems with Rocky. The only thing I can add is to ask your vet whether the urinalysis was done with a Chemstrip test strip or with a refractometer, which is a urine analysis machine. The refractometer is more accurate than the strips and it is best to test the urine as soon as it is collected.


"In-office tests are usually done using chemically impregnated paper strips. They are OK for rough approximation of your pet’s urine pH, but not much more than that."

http://www.2ndchance.info/dxme-pHurine.htm

I use the chemstrips at home and try to do a test once a week in order to keep a running idea of SG PH and blood in urine (which could show a possible UTI) as well as a few other readings.


ETA "There are several medications that may interfere with these chemical tests and cause false results. Be sure to let your veterinarian know about any medications and/or supplements your animal is taking. If any of the values on the urinalysis are significantly higher or lower than normal, your veterinarian may suggest waiting several days to several weeks and then checking another sample to see if the abnormality is still present. "

http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=2 2116&aid=3136

Thank you so much Mary Ann.
Rocky's tests at the vets are always done the most reliable way as we have insurance which covers the cost so his urine test was done by cystocentesis on refractometer at the vet's and also was sent to the laboratory for secondary testing.
 
Marlena

I'd double check and see if the test results above were from the vet or the lab. Unless a vet's office keeps the refractometer calibrated, the USG could be off and I totally agree with Mary Ann about urine pH strips.

His USG is really low. Have you had his blood checked as well to see what his creatinine and BUN look like or has he had an SDMA done to check his kidneys?

USG does vary during the day so the best time to do the test is on the first urine specimen of the day. You can free catch it and take it to the vet. I bought a handheld refractometer and they are easy to calibrate and use. If the first sample of the day shows a low USG and he's not getting subq fluids, it could potentially be a very early indicator of chronic kidney disease even if his BUN and creatinine are normal. That's why the SDMA test is so excellent....it takes the guessing out of whether a low USG is due to early CKD or something else.

If you have any labs you want me to look at, please send me a PM and I'll pop on the board. Also, we are using a new World SS and it has lab tabs and templates for future years. If you'd like any help with starting a new one and transferring data, let me know and I'll be glad to help.

BTW...I'm a little more cautious about giving subq fluids. It's absolutely best for cats to get as much of their fluids orally as possible. You can overhydrate a cat. IMHO, subq fluids should be reserved for when there is a specific need and you know kitty's heart is sound.
 
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Dear Marje,
thank you so much for taking time to answer my questions.
Last urine tests for Rocky were done twice on the same sample: first on the vet's refractometer, second done by a laboratory and the USG on the laboratory was a bit lower at 1.015.
Rocky's creatinine and BUN is good, much better and improved from previous test when he had an infection. I agreed with the vet that running SDMA is not necessary as with low SG she assumes that Rocky has early stages of kidney disease and there is no treatment for it, you just check how things would progress and if there is a need for adjusting electrolytes which I think there is as Rocky's potassium has been low 3.5, 3.8) on tests but within the range so the vet does not see it as something needing correcting. I have found out in the meantime that too alkaline urine could be caused, among other things by inadequate potassium and the treatment is supplementing it with potassium citrate. I'm waiting for the response from my vet regarding high pH, low potassium, low SG, problems regulating his BG, licking under tail, having a couple of wee accidents and excessive meowing - these are his symptoms I'm concerned about. There is no indication of crystals forming although there is always a possibility of crystals forming in his urethrea but we would have to have him X-rayed.
I feel that my vet thinks I'm a bit overanxious mum because it is me who picks on test results and links them with Rocky's symptoms and questions the vet. If I left it to her she would want me to believe that there is no problem. I would have accepted her insistance that Rocky's urine pH is absolutely fine if Rocky did not show any symptoms.
At the moment I have changed his diet a little to try to make his urine more acidic and he seems much better.
I really appreciate your opinion about subq fluids, I don't think it would be any good for Rocky as he is so well hydrated,he gets a lot of water in his food and also drinks regularly without polyuria.
Sending lots of hugs to you.
Marlena
 
I have spoken with the vet today and she is adamant that Rocky's urine pH is fine despite him having symptoms. I checked with her how the measurement was obtained and she told me that pH was tested at the office with test strips(!) and then sent to the laboratory so the urine was not fresh! The same with USG so I'm taking 1.015 result from the laboratory. I was disappointed to learn that my vet has no means of testing urine pH when it is fresh from the cat. Is it possible that they only have (or use) refractometer for testing USG? @Marje and Gracie
 
potassium citrate

Hi Marlena!!! Everyone else has covered lots of 'stuff' but just a quick comment - it's the citrate filler that changes the ph rather than the potassium. That's why it's specific to potassium citrate rather than potassium chloride, potassium gluconate or potassium bi-carbonate.

HUGS!
 
Larry is correct....the refractometer doesn't test pH....only USG. I also bought a good handheld refractometer from Amazon that is very easy to use. That way, I can track it myself and don't have to run a specimen to the vet. It on,y takes about two tests at the vets office to pay for the one I have.

What I don't understand is your vet's refusal to run the test for you. Even if their refractometer isn't calibrated, it takes less than 5 mins to calibrate it and less than that to run the test. I'd be insistent and tell her you want it, you'll pay for it. A USG of 1.015 is really low and if that was done on a first specimen of the day, I'd definitely be wanting an SDMA to check the kidneys.
 
Sorry guys, misunderstanding!
My vet does all the tests needed, no problem. The only thing is I thought that they have a better method of measuring cats urine pH as the strips are inaccurate. I can do that at home. So how the vets measure urine pH if the only thing they have is urine pH test strips?
 
Larry is correct....the refractometer doesn't test pH....only USG. I also bought a good handheld refractometer from Amazon that is very easy to use. That way, I can track it myself and don't have to run a specimen to the vet. It on,y takes about two tests at the vets office to pay for the one I have.

What I don't understand is your vet's refusal to run the test for you. Even if their refractometer isn't calibrated, it takes less than 5 mins to calibrate it and less than that to run the test. I'd be insistent and tell her you want it, you'll pay for it. A USG of 1.015 is really low and if that was done on a first specimen of the day, I'd definitely be wanting an SDMA to check the kidneys.
Marje, never mind calibrating the refractometer at the vets, it does not matter much as they send the sample to the laboratory for testing so I accept the result from the laboratory. In house test was a bit off so there is a possibility that they did not calibrate the refractometer.
 
Hi Marlena!!! Everyone else has covered lots of 'stuff' but just a quick comment - it's the citrate filler that changes the ph rather than the potassium. That's why it's specific to potassium citrate rather than potassium chloride, potassium gluconate or potassium bi-carbonate.

HUGS!
Thanks for info.
I would like to use a potassium supplement for Rocky and also use something to lower his urine pH. I can't use potassium citrate as this would make his urine even more alkaline but I'm not sure what to use. Must find more about vit C.
 
I have used diluted apple cider vinegar on my cats when they showed urinary issues . ( if you see blood in his urine take him to the vet) But i do 1/4 tsp of ACV with 1 tsp water (u can use broth too) mix it in his wet food. My kitty is Rocky also :) Hope he feels better soon
 
The urine test strips are accurate for pH. Some test strips include a pad for USG but that is not accurate at all.
Thank you Larry!
But how can you be sure? I've done my research and I found out that test strips are not that accurate so a reading of 7.5 could be 7 or 8 or anything in between. So if it is 7 it might be ok-ish but 8 would ring the bell even for a vet. I can't remember where I read about the accuracy. I've managed to order test strips which claim accuracy to 0.25.
Could you refer me to the paper which states that test strips are very reliable and maybe which test strips are best?
 
The urine test strips are accurate for pH. Some test strips include a pad for USG but that is not accurate at all.
Thank you Larry,
I have done some research and even phoned the laboratory to ask about urine testing. They use Multistix by Siemens which test lots of things and our GPs in the UK use the same test strips - much cheaper than sending urine to the laboratory. These test strips are very accurate so ordered some, will have fun testing Rocky's urine!
 
Marlena

I have used the Chemstrip 10 strips made by Roche Diagnostics for 2 years now. With both my GA Tuxie and his sister Maxie, my PH readings have always been between 5.5 and 6.5 which are quite acceptable. I have been doing readings every week taken at random time (whenever I can get a sample :rolleyes:) and would do extra if there was a UTI being treated. I am not sure why your vet is happy with higher readings. Hopefully once you get your own strips you can do more testing at home and get some extra data with nice "fresh" samples. ;)

"Urine pH also rises in stale urine – the sample needs to be fresh, kept on ice or refrigerated. (Better yet is a sample collected at the veterinary hospital just before the test is performed.)"

http://www.2ndchance.info/dxme-pHurine.htm
 
Marlena

I have used the Chemstrip 10 strips made by Roche Diagnostics for 2 years now. With both my GA Tuxie and his sister Maxie, my PH readings have always been between 5.5 and 6.5 which are quite acceptable. I have been doing readings every week taken at random time (whenever I can get a sample :rolleyes:) and would do extra if there was a UTI being treated. I am not sure why your vet is happy with higher readings. Hopefully once you get your own strips you can do more testing at home and get some extra data with nice "fresh" samples. ;)

"Urine pH also rises in stale urine – the sample needs to be fresh, kept on ice or refrigerated. (Better yet is a sample collected at the veterinary hospital just before the test is performed.)"

http://www.2ndchance.info/dxme-pHurine.htm

Thank you so much Mary Ann. I also like this website.
Now I'm confused as elsewhere I read that stale urine would give lower reading of pH showing that urine is more acidic than it actually is.
 
Thank you so much Mary Ann. I also like this website.
Now I'm confused as elsewhere I read that stale urine would give lower reading of pH showing that urine is more acidic than it actually is.

Sorry, just checked again and stale urine would give higher pH reading meaning it shows it to be more alkaline. I think I'm clear on this now.
 
Sorry, just checked again and stale urine would give higher pH reading meaning it shows it to be more alkaline. I think I'm clear on this now.


Yes...stale urine would give a higher number so more alkaline. When I do my home testing I test the sample as soon as I catch it and make sure it is gently stirred first. Also...when you get your strips be sure to check the timing for reading the results. With my chemstrips the timing for all but one panel (the leukocytes which I don't use, since it is not accurate for kitties) is 1 minute, but other brands may be different.


ETA. I have the sample in a wide mouth container...I dip the strip in and tap of any excess, then lay the strip flat so that the chemicals between the different strips can't run into each other. An alternative would be using an eye dropper and putting a drop on each panel...but that is quite time consuming. As long as the chemicals don't run into each other it has been fine with the dipping method.
 
Yes...stale urine would give a higher number so more alkaline. When I do my home testing I test the sample as soon as I catch it and make sure it is gently stirred first. Also...when you get your strips be sure to check the timing for reading the results. With my chemstrips the timing for all but one panel (the leukocytes which I don't use, since it is not accurate for kitties) is 1 minute, but other brands may be different.


ETA. I have the sample in a wide mouth container...I dip the strip in and tap of any excess, then lay the strip flat so that the chemicals between the different strips can't run into each other. An alternative would be using an eye dropper and putting a drop on each panel...but that is quite time consuming. As long as the chemicals don't run into each other it has been fine with the dipping method.
Thank you dear Mary Ann,
I have tested Rocky's urine today with 2 different types of test strips: one tests just pH and the other one is Siemens Multistix which tests 10 parameters. Rocky's pH is still 7.5 with both tests done according to instructions.
 
Thank you dear Mary Ann,
I have tested Rocky's urine today with 2 different types of test strips: one tests just pH and the other one is Siemens Multistix which tests 10 parameters. Rocky's pH is still 7.5 with both tests done according to instructions.


DARN!!! It looks like Rocky's urine is definitely too alkaline. As far as I am concerned anything over 6.5 is too high,
 
DARN!!! It looks like Rocky's urine is definitely too alkaline. As far as I am concerned anything over 6.5 is too high,
I have done some reading and alkaline urine can be caused by:
postprandial urine alkalinity (when cat eats his meal it will make urine more alkaline temporarily) so testing first thing in the morning when urine is most acidic and multiple testing is required (it was an afternoon test and Rocky had some food),
kidney, urinary tract infection ( no evidence of that when tested for blood, protein, leukocytes etc) and probably few other.
I have to test him more times to have a better picture but there is a big problem with catching his first morning urine as he would not want to do anything until I give him food so I would have to try clever stalking methods (in the garden) to get that sample!
Mary Ann, do you test Tuxie at different times of the day and have you tested after a meal and did you notice any difference in pH readings?
 
When I was testing Tuxie (now GA) I tested at whatever time I could get a good sample...sometimes morning, but often at sporadic times through the day. With Maxie I test her again when I can get a sample and I really haven't seen any major differences with the timing. Maxie had a bad UTI a while back and I was testing every day..sometimes twice a day for about a week and feeding did not seem to affect the reading.
 
When I was testing Tuxie (now GA) I tested at whatever time I could get a good sample...sometimes morning, but often at sporadic times through the day. With Maxie I test her again when I can get a sample and I really haven't seen any major differences with the timing. Maxie had a bad UTI a while back and I was testing every day..sometimes twice a day for about a week and feeding did not seem to affect the reading.
When Maxie had UTI was it bacterial? What was her urine pH if you were testing? I have read that bacterial infection of urinary tract would produce more alkaline urine.
 
When Maxie had UTI was it bacterial? What was her urine pH if you were testing? I have read that bacterial infection of urinary tract would produce more alkaline urine.


She had blood and even a small blood clot in the urine. As this was Sunday morning I started her on Zenequin 25mg (left over from Tuxie), since she would have to wait another 24+ hours and I couldn't afford to take her to the ER for a C&S. My vet gave me an extension on the prescription on the Moday. 25mg is high for a 10+lb kitty but I have never seen a UTI that bad. Hemoglobin on the chemstrip was 4+. The blood reading on the chemstrip totally cleared up within 1 day. Her urine was visibly clear after 1 day.

Her PH was actually more on the acidic side. Here are the PH readings I did while she had the UTI. As you can see I tend to overdo testing of anything :rolleyes:

June 4 5.5
June 5 5.5
June 5 5
June 6 5
June 7 6
June 8 5.5
June 8 5.5
June 9 5.5
June 10 6
June 11 6

Her Ph using the chemstrip was a consistent 1.02, but that leaves room for error with the strips.
 
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