7/4 Gretchen's Trinka: Rest In Peace sweet Trinka

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Hi Gretchen. Sorry, I was assist feeding Azalea and just finished that part of her breakfast.

With today's plan re t/f/s because of last night's late shot and unless @MrWorfMen's Mom (Linda) has modifying suggestions re Trinka's pm+6 and pm+11 readings, I'd say go ahead with Linda's plan that she indicated in her early morning post above.

That would mean to shoot 2units at 12 noon today, you'd test by 11:30, get preshot food into Trinka and then shoot the 2units (not 2.5) at noon.

Between now and 11:30 let him eat small amounts of low carb low phos and some liver shake (being sure he's not getting more than 60ml or approx 1/4 cup per day of the liver shake).

Then, don't shoot what would be tonight's dose (Skip pm shot) and resume Trinka's 4am t/f/s tomorrow morning (Sunday). I'd continue with the 2 unit dose tomorrow.

You're bringing Trinka to vet today at 1 pm for fluids and b12. I agree that it's time to get a 2-week redo of his bloodwork, the CBC panel being preferred and includes checking on his kidney function, anemia and his phos and potassium levels (that need to be monitored often bc of the supplements he's on for high phos and low potassium). Can you have those done today?

Also, cuz you mentioned that Trinka's stool was "hard" yesterday, you can begin to add about 1/2 -1 tsp of canned plain pumpkin to his food, starting with that amount and 1-2x daily.

And this afternoon when you're home from the vet, maybe we can get your spreadsheet into the signature part of your profile page. I saw when I looked at your spreadsheet earlier, that you've entered early morning test results. Super!

Sina
 
Super :bighug:, re above Gretchen and all. And lots of scritches for Trinka, too.
Keep us posted and thanks
 
It would be very helpful to us if you could set up your signature with a link to your spreadsheet so we can see what's been going on. Without this we have to scroll back through many posts and make our own list of injection/test times and BG numbers. Please make it as easy as possible for us to help you. I know there's a link to a spreadsheet somewhere but we shouldn't have to search for it. You have many people who want to help you and Trinka but we need this from you.
 
OK. Going away for weekend in 2 weeks July 13th to 18th seeing if he can stay at vets and get blood work done while there
 
When Gretchen returns from vet this afternoon, hope can get SS link into the Gretchen's signature. She tried this morning but, and maybe it's my eyes, I didn't see it come up in her signature.

In meantime here's Trinka's SS link to save scrolling back and forth time today
(And I hope I have inserted the link correctly)

Trinka's Spreadsheet
 
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When Gretchen returns from vet this afternoon, hope can get SS link into the Gretchen's signature. She tried this morning but, and maybe it's my eyes, I didn't see it come up in her signature.

In meantime here's Trinka's SS link to save scrolling back and forth time today
(And I hope I have inserted the link correctly)

Trinka's Spreadsheet
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I can see it. I noticed that Gretchen's full name has appeared in the signature area of her posts. She might not want her surname there. I suspect she got that far but didn't know how to put a link to the SS into her signature.
 
On way home from vets. His ears are pretty beat up from all the poking. They want me to give him a break from testing and try again Tuesday
 
I vehemently disagree with your vet about not testing BG again until Tuesday. It is NOT safe to give insulin under any circumstances without pre-shot tests and without a few mid cycle tests it will not be possible to see how Trinka is doing on the lowered dose. The choice here is to try to help Trinka in the best way possible or skip testing and hope for the best because not testing could result in Trinka getting insulin when her BG is too low for a shot and that would be very dangerous. The choice is yours but I think if you use one meter preferably the Relion (don't retest with the EverPaw because it serves no useful purpose to test twice) as well as getting some Neosporin (Polysporin) to put on Trinka's ears to help healing, Trinka's ears should be fine and it will definitely be safer and help us help you get Trinka sorted out sooner.
 
Hi Gretchen,

Thank you for testing last night (Saturday) at 8:30pm et. The 256, which was +8.5 hrs after yesterday's noontime dose of 2u, IMO was encouraging.

Did all go ok with skipping last night's shot? (so that you can resume the previous t/f/s cycle this morning.)

This is about the hour when you'd be test and feed before you resume 2u shot at ca4-4:30am.

Please post and update.
 
Hi Gretchen,
Glad you tested this morning and did 2u.

The one-time elongated 16-hour skipped shot cycle (to get back on track with the early morning/early evening t/f/s cycle) and no food from after last night's test at 8:30 and this morning might account for the 475 this morning. That said, he didn't dive as low mid-cycle after the noon 2u injection. And I see the less extreme drop at mid-cycle last night on the 2u as a good thing because extreme drops and then sudden rises, especially long term, are really hard on his system including kidneys, pancreas etc.

What we're trying to help with is to find both the right dose for Trinka's current needs, adjusting gradually as his body needs and giving his pancreas and other organs a chance to heal and balance. These all are reasons why home testing and having regular lab work done in the ways and kinds of tests suggested here are essential.
 
Ok and thanks for update, Gretchen.
If he seemed off on his liver shake this morning, hold off on that til you make fresh batch. Glad your hubby will spoon feed and see that he's eating. If he has concerns during the day let us know.
Also if you have some canned plain pumpkin, try to add some to his food portion, about 1/2 tsp pumpkin to start with, in case he's getting constipated.
Can hubby test?
 
The mid cycle 256 is indeed encouraging and a much gentler drop that you've been seeing. Stay with the 2u for now and we'll keep monitoring it to determine next steps in the next day or two. We need to remember that the extended cycles are playing into things here too right now so patience for the moment is key.
 
Spoon fed him rest of liver shake/ Sheba when I got home after testing bg. It was 395 at 6.05. Ate a spoonful of liver shake and spoonful of sheba at 3. Immediately after eating jumped down and went pee. Went to box 2 more times since then. First time pooped a small amount second time pooped a lot.
 
Gretchen, below is text you can copy and paste into your signature so those trying to help will have the info they need to offer ideas/suggestions pertinent to you and Trinka. I'm not sure if the link the SS will work this way or not but if not we'll fix it after you get the text in the signature.

To do your signature:
Copy the text under the label Signature below.
Go up to the upper right hand of the page and hover over your screen name "Trinkasmommy".
A menu will drop down and you just click on "Signature".
This opens up a text box into which you can paste the text below.
Once you paste in the text, scroll down and click on the "save changes" button.

Let us know when you have done this please let us know so we can check the link for the spreadsheet.

SIGNATURE TEXT -copy text below

Trinka-13 yrs old male - DX May 2017- ~ 7 lbs - anemic, CKD , low potassium, URI- had antibiotic for URI, gets potassium supplement, phosphorus binder, B12 injections- Novolin N, Relion Confirm meter - Diet -K/D canned, FF, Sheba & Liver shakes- Trinka's Mom is Gretchen TRINKA'S SPREADSHEET
 
Thank you Linda (@MrWorfMen's Mom ) for providing the information above so that gretchen can add some signature information and the link to Trinka's spreadsheet.

I will be out for a couple of hours this evening but am accessible.

Gretchen, Please also reply here as to the time and #u of Trinka's pm dose. Thank you.
 
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6.00 pm 2.5 units bg was 395. Hubby fed him about 1 Tbsp Sheba and one Tbsp liver shake. Finished liver shake before insulin and immediately jumped down and peed. Pooped twice in one hour little bit first time a lot second time. Just gave him watered down Sheba with zobaline. Taking bg now before bed. 50?
 
Great job getting your Signature setup, Gretchen! :bighug: Glad to hear he ate some more. Can you re-test right now to make sure that 50 isn't a wonky strip? Post immediately, please.
 
Those are safe numbers, but you'll want to test again in 20-30 minutes from feeding him the Sheba

@Yong .....she said on Facebook that Trinka's eating some Sheba

50 was Relion, 102 was Everpaw

ETA...I also think you'd probably best go back down to 2...or maybe 2.25 if you think you can do that

We don't like to see them going quite that low on Novolin
 
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He ate a little watered down Sheba perfect portion Turkey pate. I also have ff classic and pro plan adult 11+ classic. I have nutrical also
 
Oh ok, I forget she posts more over there :facepalm:. I thought she was given the suggestion to lower Trinka's dose but may have thought it was just for the last two.
 
Could fireworks have something to do with it? Last night it sounded like it was in our backyard scared the cat off the table
 
I will correct thread title to reflect +4, was on way home when read Gretchen's message in dim light.

Gretchen please recheck Trinka's bg as Yong and Chris ask, give food as they suggest and keep updating here.
 
Trinkasmommy said:
Could fireworks have something to do with it?
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If fireworks scare them, most cats numbers will go higher due to the stress, but occasionally a cat will react to stress by going low

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Now 80 relion
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That's a much safer number and in the right direction.......don't feed any more right now and test again in 30 minutes to make sure he stays up
 
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Eating/drinking on his own now I need sleep for work tomorrow hubby will be up in an hour asking him to wake me will test then
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Might be a good idea to start a new thread tomorrow morning....this one's getting pretty long

Just put the link to this one in tomorrow's so people can go back and read the history
 
Gretchen, please lower the dose to 2u as of tomorrow morning and continue the 2u until we can see how it is working for Trinka. You need to avoid having Trinka get down to such low numbers when using Novolin and especially right now when you are still having to help feed her. It is extremely dangerous to have her BG dropping that low.

I would also encourage you to pick one meter and stick with it. It is confusing for everyone when meter readings from both a human meter and a pet meter are in play particularly when BG is low and there is some urgency to understanding what is going on.
 
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