Maury - Month 6

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Yong said:
It has a razor blade. Sharp enough that I cut myself when I first got it and didn't realize it til I thought "where is this blood coming from?" :D OH my finger! :p
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You do need to cut the cerenia in 1/4, and if he still is nauseous later (like several hrs. later) you can give another 1/4. Be sure to give him his pain meds, he probably is in pain. Does he act painful when you touch him on his right side or back, how much throwing up and loose bowels. I have found a pancky kitty will go to dry food instead of wet, be careful with the wet food, you do not want him to get food aversion. Buddy loved canned food until he started have problems with pancreatitis, then he got food aversion eating Friskies canned food, that is why I have a lot of problems getting him to eat canned food. Try to make sure he has plenty of fresh water, most kitty's with pancreatitis will not drink water because it hurts them. Make sure you give him all his meds and when he starts to feel better only take away one med at a time so that you do not throw him right back into pancreatitis. I hope I have not caused you any more concerns than you already have with Maury. Remember Kitty's are masters of disguise when they are in pain and pancreatitis is very painful.
 
wolfey said:
You do need to cut the cerenia in 1/4, and if he still is nauseous later (like several hrs. later) you can give another 1/4. Be sure to give him his pain meds, he probably is in pain. Does he act painful when you touch him on his right side or back, how much throwing up and loose bowels. I have found a pancky kitty will go to dry food instead of wet, be careful with the wet food, you do not want him to get food aversion. Buddy loved canned food until he started have problems with pancreatitis, then he got food aversion eating Friskies canned food, that is why I have a lot of problems getting him to eat canned food. Try to make sure he has plenty of fresh water, most kitty's with pancreatitis will not drink water because it hurts them. Make sure you give him all his meds and when he starts to feel better only take away one med at a time so that you do not throw him right back into pancreatitis. I hope I have not caused you any more concerns than you already have with Maury. Remember Kitty's are masters of disguise when they are in pain and pancreatitis is very painful.
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I saw your post on Buddy's page, guess I should have read yours, I did not realize he was doing better. Which is GREAT!!!!!!!!
 
That's ok! :) Thank you for responding :bighug:. Glad to know a pancky kitty will go for dry food, any idea why? He will get Cerenia again tonight but Mirtazapine is every other day. Only given Bupe twice. They said give every 12 hours until gone but I know it's an opioid so I have spread it out a little more, plus I think I got 5 syringes filled. Will probably give him some tonight too. If you have a moment, would you mind reading his thread? I'd like to know if you think we caught it early too. Oh I also wanted to still have some Bupe over the weekend because his new Vet is closed on Sundays. Will be home to check on him in a little over an hour :cat:
 
Yong said:
That's ok! :) Thank you for responding :bighug:. Glad to know a pancky kitty will go for dry food, any idea why? He will get Cerenia again tonight but Mirtazapine is every other day. Only given Bupe twice. They said give every 12 hours until gone but I know it's an opioid so I have spread it out a little more, plus I think I got 5 syringes filled. Will probably give him some tonight too. If you have a moment, would you mind reading his thread? I'd like to know if you think we caught it early too. Oh I also wanted to still have some Bupe over the weekend because his new Vet is closed on Sundays. Will be home to check on him in a little over an hour :cat:
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The smell of the canned food makes them nauseous and the dry food does not smell as much. When you give the appetite stimulant be careful, sometimes kitty will eat what you give them and then throw up and that is how you get a food aversion. I did read this thread after I made the 1st post, he sounds like he is eating on his own which is good. It does not sound like this has went on for a long time, just continue to give him his meds. You can give the Bupe in small amounts, just try to turn the bottom of the syringe while in his mouth and he should receive some Bupe. You can do this several times, that way he does not get it all at one time.

The vet you took him to see did good, I took Buddy to 2 different vets and neither 1 knew what was wrong with him. This went on for a while with him not wanting to eat and not feeling good. One night I saw him throwing up and trying to hide, I called for him and he came out then he got in the litter box hunched over to poo and nothing came out but liquid. The vet that I knew that was very good but expensive I called. This was like 9:00P.M. one evening I took him in and they hospitalized him for 3 days. Your vet did good by catching this right off.
It sounds like a very good vet caught Maury's pancreatitis right off, without fooling around. If I know anything that would help you and Maury I would be glad to help you.
 
wolfey said:
The smell of the canned food makes them nauseous and the dry food does not smell as much.
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Ah, now that makes a lot of sense! Glad you were here to shed some light on this for Yong. It's so tough when our kitties don't feel well!
 
Indeed! I appreciate your insight, Teresa! :bighug:
Maury had 1 bad diarrhea and I think the next day a tiny bit of vomit (maybe a little bigger than half dollar). Sunday, he still qualified as diarrhea but not like the first night. By Vet visit Monday he stress poo'd and tech told me it was slightly formed but soft. Glad no one minds poo talk :smuggrin:.

Update tonight: He wasn't interested in wet food again :facepalm:, ate half of his YA so I was originally going to do 1.1U but after that, backed down to 1.0U. Definitely feels like 1 step forward and 2 steps back :(. Didn't see post before giving bupe tonight so he got another full dose of 0.4ml. I will do that with the remaining doses to get us through the weekend. Did a little better getting Cerenia tonight. Definitely a time I wish he could talk and tell me how he feels.

Thank you ladies for your continued support :bighug::bighug::bighug:
 
Yong said:
Indeed! I appreciate your insight, Teresa! :bighug:
Maury had 1 bad diarrhea and I think the next day a tiny bit of vomit (maybe a little bigger than half dollar). Sunday, he still qualified as diarrhea but not like the first night. By Vet visit Monday he stress poo'd and tech told me it was slightly formed but soft. Glad no one minds poo talk :smuggrin:.
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Update tonight: He wasn't interested in wet food again :facepalm:, ate half of his YA so I was originally going to do 1.1U but after that, backed down to 1.0U. Definitely feels like 1 step forward and 2 steps back :(. Didn't see post before giving bupe tonight so he got another full dose of 0.4ml. I will do that with the remaining doses to get us through the weekend. Did a little better getting Cerenia tonight. Definitely a time I wish he could talk and tell me how he feels.

Thank you ladies for your continued support :bighug::bighug::bighug:
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When you pill Maury do use a pill pusher or how do you get him to take a pill. Do you have a syringe that you can put water in and when you give him the pill, give him water from the syringe. Would you not hate to take a pill with no water. He should have a good night tonight since he got a full dose of bupe, it will make him feel better since it will help his pain and the cerenia will help his nausea.
 
The pill is too tiny for the pill gun I got :facepalm: so I open his mouth, drop it on the back of his tongue, close his mouth for a second, then syringe water slowly to make him swallow. Just like I take pills :). I haven't seen any normal signs of giving him Bupe so I have on idea if it's working. Was told to slowly syringe (needle-less) it onto his gums.
 
Yong said:
The pill is too tiny for the pill gun I got :facepalm: so I open his mouth, drop it on the back of his tongue, close his mouth for a second, then syringe water slowly to make him swallow. Just like I take pills :). I haven't seen any normal signs of giving him Bupe so I have on idea if it's working. Was told to slowly syringe (needle-less) it onto his gums.
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Sounds like your doing GREAT. I am sure the Bupe is working.
 
Only med I haven't given is Pepcid, do you use that for Buddy? Any idea how long one of these bouts can last? I'll be getting him some lower fat foods tomorrow and obviously still low carb, to try and keep this from happening again. Probably getting some more MC because they are lower fat too :facepalm:
 
What Theresa said about the wet food and avoiding food aversion made a lot of sense. At least he's eating the YA! I hope he feels better soon -- it's funny how much we can worry about a cat that isn't even our own! Hugs to you both! Maybe I should try some Bupe with Sam ;) A lovey side effect sounds like a good thing!
 
Yong said:
Only med I haven't given is Pepcid, do you use that for Buddy? Any idea how long one of these bouts can last? I'll be getting him some lower fat foods tomorrow and obviously still low carb, to try and keep this from happening again. Probably getting some more MC because they are lower fat too :facepalm:
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I do use Pepcid, but make sure it is the original strength and 10mg. You can never tell, sometimes just a few days and sometimes longer. The only thing that you can do is try to control his pain (he does have pain), give him the cerenia for nausea, when giving the cerenia give him some extra water in the syringe, sometimes they get dehydrated (which by itself can make you feel pretty bad) and need to be taken in for fluids. The jury is still out about the high fat foods, some say it causes problems, some say it does not. I know people who have had pancreatitis and it did not matter what they ate they still got pancreatitis. The main thing is keep him eating, what ever it is. If a cat goes for two days without eating they can get really sick. If he gets to the point he will not eat, you can syringe feed him, just take some of his canned food and put in a blender with a little water until it is thin enough to go through the syringe. I have done this many times to make sure Buddy had food, it is time consuming, but a must do if they are not eating enough.
 
He is very good at hiding pain then :(. I did give him half Bupe syringe this morning and will give the other half tonight per your suggestion :). I am watching his hydration: checking gums, snap test skin. He is still eating his YA. Angela suggested trying Slippery Elm Bark.
 
Yong said:
He is very good at hiding pain then :(. I did give him half Bupe syringe this morning and will give the other half tonight per your suggestion :). I am watching his hydration: checking gums, snap test skin. He is still eating his YA. Angela suggested trying Slippery Elm Bark.
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A lot of people use Slippery Elm Bark or Marshmallow Root, I have not used a lot of the supplements with Buddy. I do use a few with my FIV+ Kitty, because about all you can use for them are supplements.

When Buddy spent his 1St 3 days hospitalized with Pancreatitis, I joined a Yahoo group Feline Pancreatitis. It is a lot like FDMB, people who have dealt with pancreatitis with their kitty's who have really helpful info. I sometimes go through their post and read them, it has been a very long time since I have made a post, but I think it could be very helpful for you to read their post and ask questions that pertain to Maury. I hope he is starting to perk up, please make sure he is getting enough food or syringe feed him. You can try a small amount of food at first then work your way up to more. This is very very important that he have enough food.
 
Sharon14 said:
And I noticed she mentioned it may help with pancreatitis. I think Bobbie uses it too.
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I do and I am scared to put this in writing but since we started on it, there has not been another GI issue for him
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Update: Maury ate all his wet food and asked for a little more :cat:. I think giving the meds an hour before PMPS let them activate some AND I don't think he likes pumpkin. I essentially bought two brands, same flavour :facepalm:. Don't want to overload him on supplements so I'll just be trying SEB first ;). He was singing the song of his people and purring :)
 
Unfortunately the pinks are back but at least they are lower pink (antijinx). Hope this means he is feeling better :). Ate all breakfast and lunch. Now debating if I should just try Pet Alive Pancreas Booster first :confused::smuggrin:. Oh just noticed price :oops:, is less expensive on Amazon but will still have to wait. So SEB sample first! Challenge for this week: Seeing if his box schedule gets back on track with eating wet food stew to get a ketone test :cat:
 
Yong said:
Unfortunately the pinks are back but at least they are lower pink (antijinx). Hope this means he is feeling better :). Ate all breakfast and lunch. Now debating if I should just try Pet Alive Pancreas Booster first :confused::smuggrin:. Oh just noticed price :oops:, is less expensive on Amazon but will still have to wait. So SEB sample first! Challenge for this week: Seeing if his box schedule gets back on track with eating wet food stew to get a ketone test :cat:
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Yong, keep in mind that it is cheaper on Amazon but if you go to Pet Alive's website they always have buy 2 get 1 free. It's a good deal.
 
Thanks Bobbie, I will keep that in mind :). The issue is I've been unemployed for a while, before Maury's diagnosis. We just spent about $400 on his Vet bill/meds last week and that was with a discount :(. My mum put it on her card so she got the discount. So I'll be giving her payments. Reaching out to DCIN is a last resort for me as I am probably more fortunate than others and keep reminding myself that someone else is doing worse, they need the help more. I can hold off on supplements for a little bit longer. His insulin, testing supplies, food , and my love are priority :cat:

Update: Maury ate all his wet food. Sticking with lower doses because I'm pretty sure stress from giving him his meds is influencing his PMPS, especially after last night's before bed test. But they are kicking in by the time his meal is given, so may be worth it. *paws crossed* he's getting over this pancreatitis.
 
Yong said:
Thanks Bobbie, I will keep that in mind :). The issue is I've been unemployed for a while, before Maury's diagnosis. We just spent about $400 on his Vet bill/meds last week and that was with a discount :(. My mum put it on her card so she got the discount. So I'll be giving her payments. Reaching out to DCIN is a last resort for me as I am probably more fortunate than others and keep reminding myself that someone else is doing worse, they need the help more. I can hold off on supplements for a little bit longer. His insulin, testing supplies, food , and my love are priority :cat:

Update: Maury ate all his wet food. Sticking with lower doses because I'm pretty sure stress from giving him his meds is influencing his PMPS, especially after last night's before bed test. But they are kicking in by the time his meal is given, so may be worth it. *paws crossed* he's getting over this pancreatitis.
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Great News!
 
Maury took Cerenia very good tonight, not so much the 1/4 tablet of Pepcid. Foaming/drooling when he bit into it :(. Weird thing happened at +11.5, he looked like he was having a 2 second seizure :nailbiting:. First time I have ever seen it, hope it's not a bad sign of something else.
 
What did he do that looked like a seizure? That's scary...did you leave a message at the vet or see if that's a side effect of one of his meds?
 
Very strange. The only thing different recently is his panc episode and the meds. Does he have allergies? feline hyperesthesia?
 
Sorry was gone all day. Almost looked like if you get a chill and a quick shake but just his head. Acted fine. Only odd thing is what Kris said with his meds last night. Only allergy I'm aware of is the occasional sneezing fit in Spring, not so much in Fall. My mum was with him most of today to sign for his Lantus since I had to work. So he was only alone for about 4 hours total today. She said he was his sweet self and jumping on things :D. So I haven't reported it to the Vet, don't really know what to say. My thoughts is if it was a side effect of meds I would have seen it over the past week. Only one it could be is Pepcid but I'm probably never giving that to him again.
 
Yong said:
Sorry was gone all day. Almost looked like if you get a chill and a quick shake but just his head. Acted fine. Only odd thing is what Kris said with his meds last night. Only allergy I'm aware of is the occasional sneezing fit in Spring, not so much in Fall. My mum was with him most of today to sign for his Lantus since I had to work. So he was only alone for about 4 hours total today. She said he was his sweet self and jumping on things :D. So I haven't reported it to the Vet, don't really know what to say. My thoughts is if it was a side effect of meds I would have seen it over the past week. Only one it could be is Pepcid but I'm probably never giving that to him again.
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If the Pepcid is so awful tasting, even a tiny amount left in his mouth might have caused a recoil-type head shake. Or maybe he was remembering how awful it was ... ;)
 
I'm glad he's feeling better but sorry about the weird head shake. Maybe it's what Kris said, just how terrible the Pepcid tasted.
 
Day 2 of no meds. I did notice he didn't like when my hand went over his right side, lightly. He flipped over, didn't have as big an issue with left side petting.:bookworm: :bookworm: images of pancreas location. Pancreas is more on right side :(. I only have 1 Bupe left. Now I remember why I didn't become a Vet. Requires a biology course and you disect a cat :blackeye::nailbiting::arghh:. Someone is sending me some Slipperly Elm Bark to try, should be here tomorrow. Need to crunch some numbers to figure out if I can get that supplement by PetAlive
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I have no idea right now. I was planning to start this past Tuesday, but he was skipping all of his PM shots. Then the past two days he's back to needing enough that I think I could switch. Part of the dilemma is that I think the prozinc has to be pretty weak at this point. Which mean if I switch, I would want to start him on a lower dose. And it's hard to get much lower than 0.2u. It just seems risky to have a starting dose of 0.1 or Drop since those aren't super precise measurements. I'm hoping he makes it clear pretty soon if he's going to stick around for awhile longer or go on a honeymoon.
 
I just found your Lantus thread. It's only a teeny rule you broke! I think we should start a new rule here that you have to add a link to your Lantus thread on your thread over here so we don't have to go searching for it. That applies to Kris and Steph too.
 
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