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Tricia Cinco(GA) & Harvey said:
I think the perfect portions are just the pates in smaller containers.
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I will try the Candidae and hopefully they will like it and it is a texture they will eat. Hoping they will like it is one thing I have to see lol And hoping texture is ok for them. They dont like anything in their mouth. They want to pick up very small dry food and take it right down the center of their mouth and swallow it whole. The creamy will still touch their mouth - it wont just go straight down the middle and down their throat -- so this is something I have to see if they will be able to do. I can hope...
 
Perhaps you could print some of the veterinary articles about depomedrol and diabetes and take them to your vet.
DVM article on depomedrol inducing diabetes
Integrative Veterinary Medicine, feline diabetes which states:
Neither Rx Depo-Medrol nor Rx Prednisone should be used in cats. Rx Depo-Medrol predisposes cats to diabetes even more than daily steroids, due to the excessively high level reached initially.
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Those are just two references....there are others.

Also, ask if she uses the Veterinary Information Network (VIN) and to inquire there as to incidences of depomedrol inducing diabetes in cats.

Before you decide to go to dry food, you might want to read this post by Dr. Lisa.

I'll be back shortly with more info.
 
Marje and Gracie said:
Perhaps you could print some of the veterinary articles about depomedrol and diabetes and take them to your vet.
DVM article on depomedrol inducing diabetes
Integrative Veterinary Medicine, feline diabetes which states:


Those are just two references....there are others.

Also, ask if she uses the Veterinary Information Network (VIN) and to inquire there as to incidences of depomedrol inducing diabetes in cats.

Before you decide to go to dry food, you might want to read this post by Dr. Lisa.

I'll be back shortly with more info.
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I dont have a printer any more but I did print all of that out with the other vet, who knew depo causes diabetes, and he would not even look at what I printed out. I also printed out all information on feline stomatitis, presented by veterinarian's of dentistry, and he would not even look at it. Also, the one veterinarian of denistry, within my ability to get to, would not even listen about what should be done with the stomatitis kitty ----
I have been pounding my head against a wall, over this feline stomatitis, since 2014 - with these vets! I dont really expect I would get anything through to this new vet either. But I dont even have a printer any more to even try. She has already teed me off with laughing off what I have said - I do not like being laughed off, when I know but I know that I know what I am talking about - it is so irritating to have these vets laugh me off - I really just desire to punch them right in the mouth LOL But to keep peace, I have to eat their poo-poo and I am not a good poo-poo eater lololol
 
Tricia Cinco(GA) & Harvey said:
Which Science diet dry? They are all over 30%.
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Hill's Science Diet Adult 7+ Active Longevity Chicken Recipe Dry Cat Food, 16 lb bag

I dont give this to them until they absolutely cannot eat. If I can find a small kibble, as small as this, that is low carb and affordable, I will buy it. But as is for now, if they get to where they cant eat the canned of anything and have to eat the small kibble dry, this is all I will have for them - I have to have something for them to eat. Mouzer was a 17 pound cat, until stomatitis got bad enough to give him eating troubles - he is now 11.8 pounds - he had gone down to 10.8 pounds but got the depo shots and got up to over 11 pounds - but not having something for pain, he will continue to lose weight, if he has nothing here he can eat.

The other stomatitis kitty used to weigh 10 pounds. He has suffered and struggled with stomatitis since 2014, getting depo shots weekly for two months, then went to one every three months, then went to weekly for a couple of months, then went to a shot every three weeks, then a shot every month and every month for a year - what this new vet has done has not lasted but two weeks and he already cant eat. He is down to 6 pounds.
 
Cherryl

Whether the vet believes depomedrol causes diabetes or not, you can explain to her that you are their advocate and you know they are in pain. You are with them all the time. Depomedrol will not entirely address the issue and it isn't a pain med. I'm sure you can find a way to let her know that in this day and age, it is almost abusive to allow a beloved pet to knowingly be in pain.

If she offers you tramadol but will not give you buprenorphine or buprenex, it's better than nothing but I'm not a fan of it. I've given it in the past to several of my costs and it made them hyper even st a low dose. My vet and Livia's surgeon won't even prescribe it for cats.

The bottom line is that she works for you and you work for the welfare of your cats. If she is going to laugh at you for being a concerned mom, I would gently call her in the carpet for that and say "Respectfully, but there is nothing funny about my kitties being in this kind of pain." .

The link you posted in #29 above states to not give them dry food as it can make the condition worse

Poor sweeties. It breaks my heart for them and you.
 
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@Bobbie And Bubba feeds Bubba YA
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I didn't get this tag and just now seeing it. Yes, I give YA Zero Carb Mature to Bubba ( 1 tbsp./day for his 2 AM feeding) He loves it. It is small in size. You can call the company and request a sample bag of it to see if the kitties will eat it.

Here is a piece of it next to a dime for comparison.
 
Marje and Gracie said:
Cherryl

Whether the vet believes depomedrol causes diabetes or not, you can explain to her that you are their advocate and you know they are in pain. You are with them all the time. Depomedrol will not entirely address the issue and it isn't a pain med. I'm sure you can find a way to let her know that in this day and age, it is almost abusive to allow a beloved pet to knowingly be in pain.

If she offers you tramadol but will not give you buprenorphine or buprenex, it's better than nothing but I'm not a fan of it. I've given it in the past to several of my costs and it made them hyper even st a low dose. My vet and Livia's surgeon won't even prescribe it for cats.

The bottom line is that she works for you and you work for the welfare of your cats. If she is going to laugh at you for being a concerned mom, I would gently call her in the carpet for that and say "Respectfully, but there is nothing funny about my kitties being in this kind of pain." .

The link you posted in #29 above states to not give them dry food as it can make the condition worse

Poor sweeties. It breaks my heart for them and you.
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Applaws dry and canned cat food is used in the UK for feline stomatitis kitties. The food in the USA is garbage, is why we cant use them for the feline stomatitis kitty. And the USA is so proud of their stupid selves, they wont admit that the UK has more brains than they do - and that is just a fact. The USA doctors and veterinarians are full of false pride and you know what they say about that...pride goeth before a fall lolol

The UK has been very successful with stomatitis and the food used, however, the feline stomatitiis kitty's teeth are also all extracted by a specialist, so that is one thing I am not able to do for Tommy Cat and Mouzer.

When they get to where they can no longer eat the canned, they are able to get the Applaws dry straight down the middle of their throat, until the ulcers come up on their tongue, due to the stomatitis. Applaws is 80% protein. The vet I used to have, was very impressed with this much information I had to feed to him. He had me get on his computer to show him about this cat food. Only issue there was, he was stupid enough to think that it is just the food that helped the UK kitties - it is the food used in conjunction with FME, that is so successful.

When I try to point out what is needed for the kitties, I end up losing a vet. They dont have to do what I say. They simply tell me to find another vet. I am not with a big list of vets to choose from that are close enough to me, that I would drive to --- as far as I am concerned, I am not even with a big list of vets to choose from, if I were willing to travel this entire huge county to get to one, because they are all the same. I would end up losing every vet in the county and not having one I could go to hahahha
 
Bobbie And Bubba said:
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I didn't get this tag and just now seeing it. Yes, I give YA Zero Carb Mature to Bubba ( 1 tbsp./day for his 2 AM feeding) He loves it. It is small in size. You can call the company and request a sample bag of it to see if the kitties will eat it.

Here is a piece of it next to a dime for comparison.
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That food is more expensive than the food I use that is recommended for the stomatitis kitty - that I cant afford hahahhaha
YA Zero Carb Mature - 4lb $32.00
Applaws - 4lb $21.71

I will have to wait and pay on a charge card, so I have room to charge the Applaws dry to have here for when they can no longer eat the canned.
I cant afford to buy the food and pay on the card at the same time - so card payment has to get paid and then turn around and max card out again.
However, without treating inflammation, the pain will not go away - pain needs to be taken care of but inflammation must be taken care of first or the pain will not be placed under control and the kitty will eventually not even be able to eat the dry, once the inflammation has gotten so bad that the pain is so bad.
But thank you for showing the food, even though, if I could afford that food, I could afford the food that is recommended for them.
 
LizzieInTexas said:
Have you tried the slippery elm bark slurry in their mouth?
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I have seen it but I have seen it used for Irritable Bowel - inflammation - so have not been sure if it would do something for the mouth. I have quite a few products around here, said to help with inflammation, but they do not help with stomatitis inflammation, so I just dont know and for me to try, I have to have money to burn, which I have burnt a lot already, just trying. I need to wait and try the two products I just bought, to see if they help. I also need to speak with the company I bought them from, as I get money and can try other things, to make sure they can be used together. And I need to do more reading, as if I have not been reading everything for the stomatitis kitty, for the past three years.

There are a lot of products said to help and I dont have the money to keep buying products said to help that do not help. I have, yet again, blown one hundred bucks, that I do not have, to try two more products, said to help. This is not easy. It has been very hard. Money is a main issue. I dont have the money to buy every single product out there said to work - to find out that over half of it doesnt work, which I have already blown a lot of money, finding out it doesnt work.

If I had the money to extract all of their teeth, I would do that and then these prodcuts, said to work, might have a better chance. The whole thing is sad. If you are not with thousands and thousands of dollars, you kitty simply has to be put to sleep. I have had to put quite a many of them to sleep due to lack of money to help them. I hate it but I cant dig money out of my behind lolol wish I could lol

If I find the two products, I just paid for, does not work, I have a list of things to try to get money for. I will add this to my list but I am not thinking this would help because it is used for Irritable Bowel -- even though I have seen said it is used for stomatitis - I have tried so many things used for inflammation, designed for other issues, only to find they do not help with stomatitis inflammation. But if I get the money, I will try it.
 
Cherryl & Mouzer said:
That food is more expensive than the food I use that is recommended for the stomatitis kitty - that I cant afford hahahhaha
YA Zero Carb Mature - 4lb $32.00
Applaws - 4lb $21.71

I will have to wait and pay on a charge card, so I have room to charge the Applaws dry to have here for when they can no longer eat the canned.
I cant afford to buy the food and pay on the card at the same time - so card payment has to get paid and then turn around and max card out again.
However, without treating inflammation, the pain will not go away - pain needs to be taken care of but inflammation must be taken care of first or the pain will not be placed under control and the kitty will eventually not even be able to eat the dry, once the inflammation has gotten so bad that the pain is so bad.
But thank you for showing the food, even though, if I could afford that food, I could afford the food that is recommended for them.
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The YA is very protein and calorie dense. For example 1 tbsp. is 49 calories. The average size cat only needs 1/3 cup a day. So, just do the comparison to see which is a better bang for your buck and with considering that YA Zero Mature is less than 1% carb per serving.
 
Bobbie And Bubba said:
The YA is very protein and calorie dense. For example 1 tbsp. is 49 calories. The average size cat only needs 1/3 cup a day. So, just do the comparison to see which is a better bang for your buck and with considering that YA Zero Mature is less than 1% carb per serving.
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I will stick to the food that has been used here for three years and is recommended by doctors in the UK for feline stomatitis. It is sad that I do not have the money for two cats to have full mouth extractions. I did not have the money for the first one, so I most certainly do not have money for a second one. There isnt anyone who has their cats stomatitis under control, without full mouth extraction --- or steroids - and steroids are only a temporary, short-term help and will eventually be the death of the kitty, most likely. If there is one out there, who has found the miracle, they need to blow up the entire internet, facebook, twitter, yahoo and everywhere else, where so many are dealing with feline stomatitis, and let everyone in on their big secret.

And if I am struggling to pay $11 cheaper than the YA, I need that eleven dollars to go towards more kitty supplies. It isnt like I have this money. I do not have this money. I am doing what I do, living in a very deep debt to do it. Every dime counts. Applaws is 80% protein - and I need that eleven dollars.
 
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Cherryl & Mouzer said:
I will stick to the food that has been used here for three years and is recommended by doctors in the UK for feline stomatitis. It is sad that I do not have the money for two cats to have full mouth extractions. I did not have the money for the first one, so I most certainly do not have money for a second one. There isnt anyone who has their cats stomatitis under control, without full mouth extraction --- or steroids. If there is one out there, they need to blow up the internet, facebook, twitter, yahoo and everywhere else where so many are dealing with feline stomatitis, and let everyone in on their big secret.

And if I am struggling to pay $11 cheaper than the YA, I need that eleven dollars to go towards more kitty supplies. It isnt like I have this money. I do not have this money. I am doing what I do, living in a very deep debt to do it. Every dime counts. Applaws is 80% protein - and I need that eleven dollars.
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I understand Cherryl. Are you on FB? Could you start a Go Fund Me page? That is how I got Bubba's eye removal surgery as the specialist wanted 3K. I found a vet who did it for $600 dollars and he was a former human pathologist who went back to vet school.

My heart goes out to you because when Bubba was in need if was shortly after I was unemployed to take care of my mom with Alzheimer's I get your financial issue. :bighug:
 
Bobbie And Bubba said:
I understand Cherryl. Are you on FB? Could you start a Go Fund Me page? That is how I got Bubba's eye removal surgery as the specialist wanted 3K. I found a vet who did it for $600 dollars and he was a former human pathologist who went back to vet school.

My heart goes out to you because when Bubba was in need if was shortly after I was unemployed to take care of my mom with Alzheimer's I get your financial issue. :bighug:
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I have ran a fundraiser since 2014, which first started out as a fundraiser to try raising money for Tommy Cat's FME. That is how our facebook page for all of these animals began. I have ran various fundraisers for various issues for the kitties here. Sadly, people did not have a heart for Tommy Cat. $35 was donated in the first year and by my dad's wife. Since then, the total raised, since Sept of 2014 is $260.00. I had to give up on this for Tommy Cat. The fundraiser now is a general fundraiser to help with all of these animals.

Some, I got most paid for with a fundraiser for their individual need, others, no. I have spent over $10k, so far, this year, in animal care alone, which all invoices and receipts are uploaded to our facebook page. I have received less than $3k in donations.
I also have an amazon wish list for these animals, which is not included in that donation dollar amount, and there have been some donations to arrive that way. It is all helpful, I am very thankful for those who have cared to help with these many animals, but sadly, it takes a whole lot of people, caring to donate a dollar, five dollars, whatever they can, to take care of something like what I have taken on, and there just isnt that big many to care helping with these animals. I am blessed that some has been taken care of but it just isnt enough.
 
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Cherryl & Mouzer said:
I have ran a fundraiser since 2014, which first started out as a fundraiser to try raising money for Tommy Cat's FME. That is how our facebook page for all of these animals began. I have ran various fundraisers for various issues for the kitties here. Sadly, people did not have a heart for Tommy Cat. $35 was donated in the first year and by my dad's wife. Since then, the total raised, since Sept of 2014 is $260.00. I had to give up on this for Tommy Cat. The fundraiser now is a general fundraiser to help with all of these animals.

Some, I got most paid for with a fundraiser for their individual need, others, no. I have spent over $10k, so far, this year, in animal care alone, which all invoices and receipts are uploaded to our facebook page. I have received less than $3k in donations.
I also have an amazon wish list for these animals, which is not included in that donation dollar amount, and there have been some donations to arrive that way. It is all helpful, I am very thankful for those who have cared to help with these many animals, but sadly, it takes a whole lot of people, caring to donate a dollar, five dollars, whatever they can, to take care of something like what I have taken on, and there just isnt that big many to care helping with these animals. I am blessed that some has been taken care of but it just isnt enough.
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I am so sorry that your outpour hasn't been better. I am wondering if dog fundraisers make more $$. I saw on TV a dog Go Fund Me for a surgery needed after a trauma and the out pour was much much more than the necessary $ needed for the surgery needed. Crazy!
 
Bobbie And Bubba said:
I am so sorry that your outpour hasn't been better. I am wondering if dog fundraisers make more $$. I saw on TV a dog Go Fund Me for a surgery needed after a trauma and the out pour was much much more than the necessary $ needed for the surgery needed. Crazy!
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Oh! It isnt just dogs. I have seen kitties get big out-pourings. I dont know if you know the world of animal pages on fb very well, or more like know the scenes behind that world. It is a big clique who will make the big shares to get help to particular animal pages and/or particular people for their animals and they will work hard to get it shared widely. I dont clique. I am a loner. So, my animals are not shared widely to get help to them.

My friend is friends with a page owner who runs auctions, so my friend decided to ask that page owner to run an auction for us. They did. That page owner and I started private messaging. The auction was over, they sent $200 to me, for these animals - then in pm began telling me of their personal struggles, so I sent $100 back to them - to share the auction money with them. Another page decided to run an auction for us and they sent $300, which went towards money raised to get my personal kitty his radioactive iodine treatment. From time to time a bigger page will come through and say some nice word and share a post from our page but they dont push on to get the help to these animals.

And you know what I have found to be funny -- I was always told that mankind is sadistic by nature -- I tend to believe that but it was confirmed to me recently, to be true....
My Sunny Bunny passed away on April 29th. I shared a video of him. He died peacefully and so he looked peaceful and I shared. I have to beg and plead every day for people to please help share the needs for these many animals in my care and only some share. I did a video of a 'dead cat' -- that video got shared by some millions of people --- people came to my fb page out of nowhere and then after time passed by --- they were all gone --- So, the video of the dead cat was worth millions of shares -- but to share to try saving the lives of many gets only some shares. People jumped up to run to my fb page to see and share that dead cat, my precious Sunny Bunny --- but they wont share to help save these lives!! So, dead cats are in and a big hit, saving lives are out.
People have now surpassed in sickening me and forever reminding me as to why I am the loner that I am.

OK I have to finish up with these animals here so I can get out of there this morning for an appointment.
 
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