5/30 TILICA AMPS 312,+10 407,PMPS 361,+2 246

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Andreea&Tilica

Andreea&Tilica

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Hi all,

I kept the dose of 1.75 or >1.5 because it's difficult to fix this dose exactly. He had some good numbers and the boucne seems to be "lower".
But, I'm concerned of the last blood tests because the urea is high and the hepatic transaminases are high, too. I think that it should be good to start the administration of subcutaneous fluids. For transaminases the vet precribed him silymarin pills.

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http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/...rease-but-higher-numbers.178253/#post-1967852
 
Hi Andreea,
I see in the SS that Tilica is keeping you busy tonight!
Very nice Blue numbers but the PMPS +3 was quite a drop - 90 points. If you haven't yet done so feed him a little to smooth further lowering, no one needs diving so early in the cycle! Giving that his nadir is still ahead I hope that feeding a little will help him gradually lower and stay there for as long as possible - safely - so he is healing.
It must late at where you are but I hope you are able to monitor, to take some more tests and keep an eye on him.
 
Tanya and Ducia said:
Hi Andreea,
I see in the SS that Tilica is keeping you busy tonight!
Very nice Blue numbers but the PMPS +3 was quite a drop - 90 points. If you haven't yet done so feed him a little to smooth further lowering, no one needs diving so early in the cycle! Giving that his nadir is still ahead I hope that feeding a little will help him gradually lower and stay there for as long as possible - safely - so he is healing.
It must late at where you are but I hope you are able to monitor, to take some more tests and keep an eye on him.
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Hi Tanya, I'll monitor him of course, I give him a little amount of food every hour. He drops early and tommorow he will bounce. I hope that the bounce wouldn'be so high.
:bighug:
 
Sending you :coffee: as you will be needing it for the next couple of hours.
The 93/73 safe numbers, but you are right to feed him to keep him at this level.

What carbs % do you feed?

At this 73 at +4.5 I'd give a little of MC gravy - no solids/meat just gravy. Reason: you will need him to have appetite for the next couple of hours and feeding solids might reduce his desire to eat when you need it. Gravy on the other hand is light and carb loaded, its effect is short lived so you give some gravy and test in 30 min.
 
Tanya and Ducia said:
Sending you :coffee: as you will be needing it for the next couple of hours.
The 93/73 safe numbers, but you are right to feed him to keep him at this level.

What carbs % do you feed?

At this 73 at +4.5 I'd give a little of MC gravy - no solids/meat just gravy. Reason: you will need him to have appetite for the next couple of hours and feeding solids might reduce his desire to eat when you need it. Gravy on the other hand is light and carb loaded, its effect is short lived so you give some gravy and test in 30 min.
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I gave him wet food with 16% carbs. I haven't gravy...I hope he doesn't drop too low. I 'll test him after 10 minutes
 
Andreea said:
The problem is the bounce, every time when he drops the next days he bounces very high.
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So true....:blackeye: I am in the same shoes right now...:arghh:
But cheer up, the more time he spends in greens the better his body accustomed to them. I'll post link to a nice discussion on the bouncing subject later on - need to locate it.

If I am not misreading your SS - Tilica has a habit of dropping early - like at +2. Ducia does the same.
To prevent I feed her at AMPS, then at +1 - no more than 2 tsp, and then test at + 2 and if still dropping lower steeply - I start adding gravy from the MC can to her regular LC food. If you have 16% carbs - it is high carbs HC in my vocabulary - then maybe add a little of it at +1 - to keep Tilica from diving. I use small portions 1.5 - 2 tsp so Ducia is not bumped up to the Yellows but rather lowers gradually. You may want to collect other's opinions - I am learning this stuff myself. :)

Another difference in our cats - Tilica seems to clear his bouncing faster than Ducia does. It is good thing. I am only sorry that his clearings fall on your nightly time..
 
HERE is the link to the recent discussion about bouncing an dosage - started by someone whose cat bounces after steep drops - a lot of useful education info there.
and HERE is the link to much older discussion - very helpful. Note how old it is - ppl are dealing with bounces for long long time... Makes you feel a little better, doesn't it?;)
 
Tanya and Ducia said:
So true....:blackeye: I am in the same shoes right now...:arghh:
But cheer up, the more time he spends in greens the better his body accustomed to them. I'll post link to a nice discussion on the bouncing subject later on - need to locate it.

If I am not misreading your SS - Tilica has a habit of dropping early - like at +2. Ducia does the same.
To prevent I feed her at AMPS, then at +1 - no more than 2 tsp, and then test at + 2 and if still dropping lower steeply - I start adding gravy from the MC can to her regular LC food. If you have 16% carbs - it is high carbs HC in my vocabulary - then maybe add a little of it at +1 - to keep Tilica from diving. I use small portions 1.5 - 2 tsp so Ducia is not bumped up to the Yellows but rather lowers gradually. You may want to collect other's opinions - I am learning this stuff myself. :)

Another difference in our cats - Tilica seems to clear his bouncing faster than Ducia does. It is good thing. I am only sorry that his clearings fall on your nightly time..
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Tanya , I'm vey curious abut bounce theory. I fed him with HC for stop the drop, I used to test him at +2 and if he drops I fed him with a little amount of food. I am learning too , I feed him 15 -20 g at +2 which means 2 tsp no more.
I saw the ss of Ducia, she has very nice numbers and her bounce is lower but my problem is that I'm not home during the day and he must be safe that's why I have to leave him a little amount of HC food. I feed him with chicken too, he likes very much and it has 0 carbs.
Ducia drops very faster too, I remember that night , I read all your post when she dropped to 22. It was very scary and every time when Tilica drops I think at Ducia's hypoglicemia.
 
Tanya and Ducia said:
HERE is the link to the recent discussion about bouncing an dosage - started by someone whose cat bounces after steep drops - a lot of useful education info there.
and HERE is the link to much older discussion - very helpful. Note how old it is - ppl are dealing with bounces for long long time... Makes you feel a little better, doesn't it?;)
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Thanks for support Tanya:cat:
I have to read this discussion. According to SLGS protocol tomorrow I should reduce the dose with 0.25 but I'll shoot 1.5 fat . I have another problem, in my country the vets do not specialize in diabetes and I fear that in case of emergency they will not apply the correct treatment. There are only a few vet who are good enough but they do not have emergency services.
Keep in touch
Big hug for you and Ducia:bighug:
 
Andreea said:
read all your post when she dropped to 22. It was very scary and every time when Tilica drops I think at Ducia's hypoglicemia.
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Don't let this particular Hypo event to scare you/to influence your decision making process. On that day Ducia was overdosed - given 10U instead of 1U:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:
On the smaller, normal doses of insulin - like Tilica's dose today the cat can go to Hypo - that's why we all need to test at home and to interfere with food if needed but the lowering is much easier to control in the normal circumstances then it was with massive OD. I am concerned that you might feel inclined to give Tilica more food /higher carbs food then necessary after reading our horrors on that day and thus you might prevent him from experiencing good green BG numbers. However, SAFETY 1st! You must feel absolutely comfortable with what you do and it looks like you are on top of the things!:bighug:
Andreea said:
but my problem is that I'm not home during the day and he must be safe that's why I have to leave him a little amount of HC food.
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I think that is what everyone who has to leave home for the day does.


PS. What a splendid Green run you guys have!
 
Andreea said:
in my country the vets do not specialize in diabetes and I fear that in case of emergency they will not apply the correct treatment.
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Same here with some vets..
That's why you and I are lucky to find this Board - if you have emergency post it with red 911 prefix at the beginning of the title line - someone will be along . Much, much more practical knowledge/experience is on this LL Board - more than most vets I know combined/put together with their fancy diplomas :rolleyes:.
Best of luck, keep posting - we are here for help.
:bighug:
 
Tanya and Ducia said:
I am concerned that you might feel inclined to give Tilica more food /higher carbs food then necessary after reading our horrors on that day and thus you might prevent him from experiencing good green BG numbers
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He is a grumpy cat. There are days when he accepts the LC food but but also days when he refuses to eat it. I have to feed it all...He likes tuna 0% carbs but I have to give it with caution to avoid urinary problems. For example today he refused to eat the right food for diabetes:banghead::banghead:
:bighug::bighug::bighug:
 
Andreea said:
today he refused to eat the right food for diabetes
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Do you mean prescription food?
I read many reports that cats refuse it often..regardless of how much money their poor beans spent on it..:mad:
Do you have Friskie wet cat food brand?
Ducia likes Chicken Tuna 9% for steering up her lows and it is still technically low carbs (<10%). Here in the US Friskie is 48 cents per 5.5 oz/156 grams - makes sense economically.
Most of Friskie are fish but for instance Poultry Platter is not and it is only 4% carbs, or Turkey and Giblets - 5%.
Ducia was doing well on Frieskies but I cancel it as soon as she reached her goal weight - a bit too fatty, and because Friskie is high in phosphorous - not too good for kidneys.
I had to discard many expensive wet food brands because she would not eat them.
Some kitties are like that - refuse good stuff and go for "junk" foods.:rolleyes: Many kitties simply require variety of tastes to stay motivated. I alternate Ducia's food with 4 different Tiki Cat tastes. :rolleyes:
There was some discussions about prescription food in the Main Health Forum a while ago - maybe if you can locate/read thru you'll get some ideas about it.
 
Tanya and Ducia said:
Do you mean prescription food?
I read many reports that cats refuse it often..regardless of how much money their poor beans spent on it..:mad:
Do you have Friskie wet cat food brand?
Ducia likes Chicken Tuna 9% for steering up her lows and it is still technically low carbs (<10%). Here in the US Friskie is 48 cents per 5.5 oz/156 grams - makes sense economically.
Most of Friskie are fish but for instance Poultry Platter is not and it is only 4% carbs, or Turkey and Giblets - 5%.
Ducia was doing well on Frieskies but I cancel it as soon as she reached her goal weight - a bit too fatty, and because Friskie is high in phosphorous - not too good for kidneys.
I had to discard many expensive wet food brands because she would not eat them.
Some kitties are like that - refuse good stuff and go for "junk" foods.:rolleyes: Many kitties simply require variety of tastes to stay motivated. I alternate Ducia's food with 4 different Tiki Cat tastes. :rolleyes:
There was some discussions about prescription food in the Main Health Forum a while ago - maybe if you can locate/read thru you'll get some ideas about it.
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Tanya, excuse me. Yesterday night I was very tired in my region it was 1 Am that"s why I respond you now. About food, we have Friskie but he dosențt like it, I give him Applaws (wet) 3,5 % carbs and Royal Diabetic(wet) 16% carbs, I don't know if you know this brands.
All the food that I give him is premium uit it is expensive about 1,4 $ for 100 grams. He loves chicken breast , this is my trick for make him eat wet food.
:bighug:
 
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