5/28 Mouzer AMPS 447

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This drop of over 100 points at +2 is a signal that you might have an active cycle ahead, ie., one where he might drop fairly low. I'd test again at +3 and +4. Be ready to give small amounts (up to a tbsp) of regular low carb food if those tests show a significant drop. Have your hypo kit ready in case he's circling around 50 nearer to nadir. I'm not trying to scare you, just prepare you. Better safe than sorry! :)
 
This drop of over 100 points at +2 is a signal that you might have an active cycle ahead, ie., one where he might drop fairly low. I'd test again at +3 and +4. Be ready to give small amounts (up to a tbsp) of regular low carb food if those tests show a significant drop. Have your hypo kit ready in case he's circling around 50 nearer to nadir. I'm not trying to scare you, just prepare you. Better safe than sorry! :)

From the hypo kit - I have -

Friskies canned with gravy in it - I thought for drop, this was to go to high carb food?
From Tool Box Kit - ~a few cans of higher carb wet food and ~high carb dry food
If I am to give him his low carb diet - I need to know this.

Nadir - is that at +6?

Karo, Honey, Maple
Needle-less feeding syringe
Regular Dry - Friskies Seafood Sensations - which he isnt going to eat as long as there is canned
No Treats - Mouzer would not eat them, anyhow
A Bulb Syringe - lube is vaseline? haha
Hypo Instructions are on Laptop
Strips

No money or room on credit card for emergency, so location and vehicle is no matter but I do have a vehicle, if it starts in emergency haha.
However, if we get this far with it, Mouzer lives or dies and not one thing I can do about it.
 
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Sounds like you are totally stocked up!

And yes, as Kris says-- we're just trying to be prepared here. I don't actually expect Mouzer to drop from the 400's down to somewhere dangerous enough to have to intervene with karo (below 50), but since he's a cat and thus likes to surprise us, be prepared for anything!

What is more likely today would be to "intervene" by giving him a few LOW carb snacks-- if he keeps dropping rapidly, for example. The idea there is not that the cat is in danger and you are in emergency rescue mode, but you're just trying to give a little more food for the insulin to work on and maybe slow him down. Since we're almost there (I think), let's see where he is at +3, and then decide if we want to do that.

We don't know where his nadir is yet, but +6 would be the "typical" Lantus nadir.
 
Sounds like you are totally stocked up!

And yes, as Kris says-- we're just trying to be prepared here. I don't actually expect Mouzer to drop from the 400's down to somewhere dangerous enough to have to intervene with karo (below 50), but since he's a cat and thus likes to surprise us, be prepared for anything!

What is more likely today would be to "intervene" by giving him a few LOW carb snacks-- if he keeps dropping rapidly, for example. The idea there is not that the cat is in danger and you are in emergency rescue mode, but you're just trying to give a little more food for the insulin to work on and maybe slow him down. Since we're almost there (I think), let's see where he is at +3, and then decide if we want to do that.

We don't know where his nadir is yet, but +6 would be the "typical" Lantus nadir.

+3 / 287

I do not have low carb snacks - or any snacks - these cats dont eat or want snacks
I do have his normal low carb food that he eats
I am really confused about the low carb -
dropping numbers to bring them up and the tool box kit says high carb.

And Mouzer is now sick of being stuck in the ear and I imagine his ear is pretty sore from my last night's issue with sticking him to death, trying to get blood. He is now wanting to run from me and I dont blame him. I wouldnt like me either. I wish there was some other place than the ears to use. His left ear is a tipped ear and barely enough room to be sticking around on without making it hurt like the right ear hurts now. I did use the left ear some last night already. Poor Mouzer :(
 
I am really confused about the low carb -
dropping numbers to bring them up and the tool box kit says high carb.
Low carb food is used to "steer" the BG away from dropping low too fast. All food will have a temporary BG raising effect. The high carb food in your hypo kit is for a fast rescue from BG that's getting very low. The extra carbs in the gravy boost the BG quickly but that boost doesn't last too long and sometimes has to be repeated at intervals.

Some people use a paw pad to test BG. You could try that. I have no experience with this myself though.
 
+3 / 287
I do have his normal low carb food that he eats
I am really confused about the low carb -
dropping numbers to bring them up and the tool box kit says high carb.

Regular low carb food is perfect for the situation I described, but it's not needed now (he's stopped his fast descent on his own, at least for now).

The hypo instructions are for really low numbers-- below 50 on a human meter. That's an emergency situation in which you need to get some carbs into the cat fast in order to boost the blood glucose.

For a situation like this morning where he is in safe (actually, quite high) numbers but moving downwards quickly, it's not an emergency and we don't want to give high carb or syrup to boost him up, we just want to slow him down a bit if we can. What we've found is that small amounts of low carb food can often do that quite nicely.

And Mouzer is now sick of being stuck in the ear and I imagine his ear is pretty sore from my last night's issue with sticking him to death, trying to get blood. He is now wanting to run from me and I dont blame him. I wouldnt like me either. I wish there was some other place than the ears to use. His left ear is a tipped ear and barely enough room to be sticking around on without making it hurt like the right ear hurts now. I did use the left ear some last night already. Poor Mouzer :(

To decrease ear soreness:

-try putting a bit of neosporin or polysporin ointment on the ear (rub off excess before next test)
-when you test, be sure you are applying a small amount of pressure on the poke site afterwards-- it doesn't just stop bleeding, it decreases later bruising/soreness

An alternative test site is a paw pad, if your cat's personality will allow it!
 
@Nan & Amber @Kris & Teasel

I dont have low carb food with gravy. I just have what he eats as a norm. I have the Friskies canned with gravy but I would think Friskies with gravies is high carb. I will have to go search the list of foods to compare the Friskies, I do have, with it.

I will try paw pad but not so sure Mouzer will let me mess with his paws, but I sure could wish he would let me do that.

I have done the pressure to the ear, after each stick time, and I do use the neosporin with pain relief but last night's sticks were a bit much on him.

At +2 it dropped by 136, which would be 68 drop if doing one hour intervals.
At +3, which is just one hour later than +2, it dropped by 24, so say does same in an hour, would be like a drop of 48 ...

Comparing to the +2 drop of 136
The +3 drop is only 20 in difference
And that is a good thing?
And I guess, I will know better with the +4 drop, really.
And then the poor guy can wait a little longer to have ear stuck at +6
 
If you want, I think it would be OK to just do the +5, or even just the +6, if you want to give Mouzer's ears a break. He's up pretty high at the moment and more or less holding steady.
 
If you want, I think it would be OK to just do the +5, or even just the +6, if you want to give Mouzer's ears a break. He's up pretty high at the moment and more or less holding steady.

Oh Yayyy For Mouzer and his precious, tender ears!!!
Do ears toughen up, over time?
Like, I was told, over time, the scruff and wherever gets shots most will get tough and I was shown where all I could move around on his body. I was told, basically, anywhere there is loose skin.
It would be nice if his ears could toughen just a little enough to make them not so fresh tender to being stuck. This is a lot of sticking. If anybody did this to me, I would punch them right in the mouth :D
 
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It definitely gets easier to get blood over time-- the more you poke, the more new capillaries grow, until eventually you just have to do little pokes to get blood. That's why we say to start with the thicker lancets, but then you can move to the thinner ones later. Dunno about "toughness" per se, but yes, definitely easier!
 
It definitely gets easier to get blood over time-- the more you poke, the more new capillaries grow, until eventually you just have to do little pokes to get blood. That's why we say to start with the thicker lancets, but then you can move to the thinner ones later. Dunno about "toughness" per se, but yes, definitely easier!

It is only a little blood - I am putting the wash cloth in the microwave today and then placing it in a plastic baggie and I am doin ok with getting blood. Last night, I was just using hot water. So, the microwave is better.


I have no idea what emergency room would cost. I just know, in past, when I did have money, I was never out of emergency without spending any less than $800 - and that wasnt even for emergency like it would be for a diabetic cat in need. I would try to start slipping a little money over, not that there is any money left to slip over, but at least try. It would take a very long time to get this much together, to have in savings. I havent been able to save even $300 because every dime we have is spent and that isnt even enough.

I will say, if this was me, with diabetes, I would have to let me die. There would be no money for insulin or anything. There is no money for me to even consider walking into a doctor's office. And I have gotten these cats to the vet, gone in deep debt doing so, so deep, there is no more deep to go, as all avenues are closed - I have done far more for these animals, than I could ever do for myself. I have prevented their death, when I will have to let me die, if ever I get anything that requires very much at all with doctors.

So, if anyone is looking down on me, because I say I do not have money for a cat to get to emergency, please stop and look what I have done and what I do. You have to walk the walk, walk in my shoes, before you place any judgement on me, and even then, I will say, you still have no right to place judgement. And I am saying this because I can see that a lot of people do not understand my lack of money in trying to get Mouzer started with what he needs. It has been an expensive ride, to get everything together and pay the vet too. Mouzer is not the only cat here that has ongoing treatment and vet visits.

I have done far more than most people would ever think of doing for animals. I dont know people who would spend near $2000 a month, for regular daily care, plus try to pay the debt the animals have put them in, which is another $1000 or more a month, on a low-end, middle income, when they cant even afford to take a picnic in the park, because of it. I have given up everything for them, including my life, since 2004. I dont get a day off from what I do and it is nine to eleven hours a day, which now has turned into much more time added to those hours, with Mouzer. Seven days a week, 365 days a year. My last vacation was August of 2003 - which I have had to give up visiting my own son, once a year, to do what I do for animals.

And I am putting this here because I know how people are. They dont walk in my shoes, so they do not understand what I do and the life it takes from me - All Life - My life belongs to these animals. I have no other life and no money left.
 
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+6/235

I will get a read PMPS and let Mouzer's ear have this break.

I was supposed to go somewhere this morning but my husband got a torn up tummy and we couldnt go anywhere. It was just as well, so I could be here to monitor Mouzer. I do need to get a nap, before I have to start mid-afternoon animal care for everyone. By the time I get done with the others, it will be close to time to get Mouzer's PMPS. If it falls below 200, down to 156, like it did last night, I wont be giving a shot again tonight.

I am not able to be up for emergency monitoring and I prefer not to push it to any emergency, anyhow. I dont need that kind of fear, worry, stress, anxiety/panic attacks and the panic attacks are a given with me, as that is a portion of my disability. No need to push me over the edge, with taking a chance, if no chances have to be taken. That would not benefit me or Mouzer.

OK I need a nap before I have to start my work again. I am very tired. I have to get up wee early hours and I have been trying to read the information throughout the forum, while in between doing animal chores and normal household chores, so I have not been able to nap and I wont hold up if I dont get one.

You have have a good evening and I will post Mouzer's PMPS and I am hoping it is a comfy zone, whether it means to give a shot or not give a shot.
 
I would get a test somewhere between +4 and +6. You don't know how Mouzer responds to insulin and while he's starting the day high, with some cats, that can change quickly. With SLGS, you want to do your best to get at least one test each cycle in addition to your pre-shot tests.

 
Yes, you'll definitely be wanting to "fill in the blanks" over the coming days, getting tests at different times and particularly between +4 and +6. I'm also curious about late afternoons-- yesterday you got a +8 and then (for some reason) Mouzer went down further before pre-shot, so I'm curious as to whether that was just a weird thing that happened or if he's a cat with a really late nadir.

It'll take time to figure all this out, but don't worry-- you're doing great and Mouzer is too! You're nowhere near any kind of "emergency" numbers and, with luck, you won't be any time soon.

Nap sounds good!
 
AMPS / 447 / 1u /
+2 / 311
+3 / 287
+6 / 235

Good job getting those tests! :woot:

And I am putting this here because I know how people are. They dont walk in my shoes, so they do not understand what I do and the life it takes from me - All Life - My life belongs to these animals. I have no other life and no money left.
Actually, Cherryl, think about it for a minute. You're kind of preaching to the choir if you know what I mean. You might be surprised to know how well most of us understand. We're not the average John Q. Public on this message board. You see, many of us have had friends and family criticize the extent of how we take care of our kitties. Some have even told us we should "put kitty down!"... and much more. More of us than you could possibly imagine dedicate our time, our lives, and finances to the kitties in our care. In reality, you've landed in a group of very like-minded individuals. :)
I am not able to be up for emergency monitoring and I prefer not to push it to any emergency, anyhow. I dont need that kind of fear, worry, stress, anxiety/panic attacks and the panic attacks are a given with me, as that is a portion of my disability. No need to push me over the edge, with taking a chance, if no chances have to be taken. That would not benefit me or Mouzer.
Cut yourself some slack and pat yourself on the back. Even though Mouzer has been on insulin for a few weeks you just learned how to hometest him YESTERDAY! And you were successful the very first day! This is only your second thread in this support group and you're doing great! No one will expect or push you to shoot low until you have accumulated the data to support your decision. Now I can't promise you won't see low numbers because after all, Mouzer's a cat and cat's are famous for doing the unexpected. However, the important thing to remember is now you have a support system and the tools available to you to keep Mouzer safe. You're in control!!!
Yes, you'll definitely be wanting to "fill in the blanks" over the coming days, getting tests at different times and particularly between +4 and +6. I'm also curious about late afternoons-- yesterday you got a +8 and then (for some reason) Mouzer went down further before pre-shot, so I'm curious as to whether that was just a weird thing that happened or if he's a cat with a really late nadir.
I'm curious about that, too. Although, yesterday was the 4th cycle after the reduction from 3u bid to 1u bid. The residual effects from the 3u depot were *most likely* still in play. It'll be interesting to see what happens after the depot has time to adjust to the reduced dose (1u).

Going forward, something else to keep in the back of our minds...
Sometimes when kitty is started with a dose that's too high we see them come down the dosing scale very quickly. It's much too soon to give that a whole lot of thought, but something to stick away for later on... depending on what kind of data we might see going forward.


Moving along...
In an effort to keep all suggestions and advice on the board so it's available for peer review, I'd like to respond here to part of a PM I received from Cherryl about the timing of shots:

"OH yeah!! I do have a question - The vet had said I had a two hour window for the shot, either way. I think I read in the information in all of these links here hahaha that with Lantus, you dont have a window like that.

I mentioned it to Nan/Amber - and they said 15 minutes each shot time -- Like if I gave the shot at 7:30pm and needed to work back towards the 7am, next shot would be 7:15, next would be 7:00 ...

There will be times I wont have that possibility. The two hour window was good because it would go with any interruptions that come up from time to time. But 15 minute window is really bad lolol That is not allowing for any life things that take place.

7pm is Mouzer's normal evening shot. Wednesday nights, I have to give it at either 6pm or around 8pm - because I have to leave at 6:10pm and cant be home until around 8pm. That is what made me ask the vet if there was a window of time. He said either the 6pm or 8pm time for shot would be fine because it falls in the 5pm to 7pm and 7pm and 9pm window.

And there will be times I just cant do a shot right on time and not even 15 minutes of a time. Wednesdays are regular for the need to change and things to come up from time to time that cause a need for a good window. And I hope this doesnt kill Mouzer but that is a bit much for someone to have to sit on top of such a thing as a 15 minute window."

When following the methods used on the FDMB to regulate kitties on Lantus, it's best to shoot on a 12/12 schedule. An early shot can act like a small dose increase and a late shot can act like a small reduction. However, life happens and it isn't always possible.

Nan is correct. The safest method which creates the least impact on the next cycle is to move shot times is in increments of 15 minutes per shot or 30 minutes a day.

This may change as you collect more data, but at the moment I would not recommend shooting an hour early on Wednesdays because this morning we saw how quickly he dropped from amps to +2. I'd suggest shooting an hour late (@ +13 -aka- 8pm) and then work the time back to 7am/7pm as you're able. Make sense?

Stuff happens and shot schedules do get knocked out of whack. It happens to all of us! When that happens, post for help. Those who are experienced will analyze current data to help you figure out what to do. There are always a few different options including, but not limited to shooting two shots on an 18/18 schedule. More on an 18/18 schedule when needed. My point is life happens to all of us. There's more than one way to deal with occasional blips in the schedule. Worst case scenario: Mouzer misses a shot. It won't be the end of the world!


For those following as well as those offering advice...
I just wanted to mention I started a spreadsheet for Mouzer. I'll maintain it for the next few days before turning ownership over to Cherryl. Just wanted you all to know in case the spreadsheet isn't updated fast enough for you. Cherryl will also update the first post in every thread with current numbers.
Thanks for understanding. :cat:
 
I would get a test somewhere between +4 and +6. You don't know how Mouzer responds to insulin and while he's starting the day high, with some cats, that can change quickly. With SLGS, you want to do your best to get at least one test each cycle in addition to your pre-shot tests.


There is more than one day in a week and I am not superwoman, although the world seems to think otherwise :)


If you want, I think it would be OK to just do the +5, or even just the +6, if you want to give Mouzer's ears a break. He's up pretty high at the moment and more or less holding steady.


I placed this quote, to go with my response to first quote :)



Yes, you'll definitely be wanting to "fill in the blanks" over the coming days, getting tests at different times and particularly between +4 and +6. I'm also curious about late afternoons-- yesterday you got a +8 and then (for some reason) Mouzer went down further before pre-shot, so I'm curious as to whether that was just a weird thing that happened or if he's a cat with a really late nadir.

It'll take time to figure all this out, but don't worry-- you're doing great and Mouzer is too! You're nowhere near any kind of "emergency" numbers and, with luck, you won't be any time soon.

Nap sounds good!


Nap was good! I needed that! I am going to have to catch up with work that has fallen behind but I do plan to get alternate reads on Mouzer.
Just not all in one day's time :D



Actually, Cherryl, think about it for a minute. You're kind of preaching to the choir if you know what I mean. You might be surprised to know how well most of us understand. We're not the average John Q. Public on this message board. You see, many of us have had friends and family criticize the extent of how we take care of our kitties. Some have even told us we should "put kitty down!"... and much more. More of us than you could possibly imagine dedicate our time, our lives, and finances to the kitties in our care. In reality, you've landed in a group of very like-minded individuals. :)


I am accustomed to getting silence and people questioning why I cant come up with just x more dollars, when years of coming up with just x more dollars is why I am in the financial disaster I am in now. When I see this taking place, I make sure people hear exactly what I have to do with my time and money that I do not even have.



This may change as you collect more data, but at the moment I would not recommend shooting an hour early on Wednesdays because this morning we saw how quickly he dropped from amps to +2. I'd suggest shooting an hour late (@ +13 -aka- 8pm) and then work the time back to 7am/7pm as you're able. Make sense?


It makes sense. I was just a bit floored by the 15 minute window and even when I am right there on time, I cant get on time in a 15 minute window hahahha

Another issue I am having is that Mouzer is wanting to eat within the two hours of PMPS - like he wanted to eat at +11 and he is in the bathroom just waiting to be able to eat. I walked out as he ran in, thinking he would get his food. I came out here to get my laptop out and say this here. The vet had said for me not to change how we do his eating and that was something to do with the test showing how things go, as we do our normal thing. I feel bad he is in there wanting to eat and I had to ignore him.

He is to get PMPS in 20 minutes. By the time I get all of the stuff out to do this, it will be close enough, I am going to do a read and hopefully, if he is to get a shot, we can be on time. Last night would have ran us an hour behind, if I would have eventually decided to give his shot.

I have wanted to move his schedule up one hour but I have some work that I have to do away from the house, for a couple of hours in the morning, and this has just been hard, working out a schedule to go with my already over-filled schedule.

The two hour window was a lot better to be working with, as far as what I do and what has to go on in the day. And I wont be able to always fall towards the normal time by 15 minutes each time for shot read. I can do the best I can but this 15 minute window aint gonna fly with all that I have to do in a day :)

OK I have to go get a read and see what is up with Mouzer :)
 
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PMPS / 405 / 1u


I guess you all might understand this number? I do not, but ok :)
That sure is different from yesterday, about this time.

At least I dont have to worry, give a shot or do not give a shot -- he got the shot -

I have to go tend to some work now. It will take me some time to get used to this added work with Mouzer, to my work I already do.
For now, I am running very tired and blurry eyed. Once I get used to it, it might be ok. Just time to adjust my cycle.

Thank you again for taking time to observe Mouzer's reads for today.
You all have a good night :)

If I do remember to get a read on Mouzer, before I go to bed, I will come put it in here, at least by tomorrow, if not able to tonight.
I totally forgot, last night, by the time I went to bed, and I wanted to do that!
 
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Just wanted to say good night, and congratulations on your day You and Mouzer are really doing great, you are already getting the hang of everything
 
+12 / 405 / 1u


I guess you all might understand this number? I do not, but ok :)
That sure is different from yesterday, about this time.

Hah! Welcome to the confusing world of feline diabetes! These kitties sure do like to keep us guessing!

Glad your nap was good, and that Mouzer gave you an unambiguous number to shoot tonight. Have a good night!
 
Just wanted to say good night, and congratulations on your day You and Mouzer are really doing great, you are already getting the hang of everything


Thank you and I am glad you guys seem to think I am doing ok. I feel weird about what I am doing, as in that I am still a little uncomfortable but because I do not understand the ups and downs of the readings. I am hoping you all do understand them - which I tend to think you sure know a whole lot more about this than I do and that is why I am here. If I was rich, I would pay all of you a good fee!!



Hah! Welcome to the confusing world of feline diabetes! These kitties sure do like to keep us guessing!

Glad your nap was good, and that Mouzer gave you an unambiguous number to shoot tonight. Have a good night!


I am sure I am more confused than you all are :D
That nap was good and I guess I needed it because my work ran late and I would not have been able to do my work, if I did not get that nap. I am about to take a reading before bed and being as the laptop is out, I wont put it away first. I will go do the reading, come back and put it in here and then put up the laptop and get to bed. I guess that number was high on Mouzer for is pm stuff but after last night, I felt happy it was high, so I did not have to guess if he needed a shot or not. Now I hope this bedtime reading is ok (insert funky look on face here*

And I will be back to put in his bedtime uumm hhmmm let me think what I am posed to say here...
It is four hours after PM Shot --- I do not know how to say that!!
PMS +4 ???

LOL PMS heehee
Aint had that one in years :D
 
PMBG / +4 / 305

I apologize I do not know what to type for the hours after the PM shot.
Let me know if that is incorrect.

And I did get the script for Mouzer in email but does this script mean the Canadian pharmacy will only be allowed to sell one pen to me and I cannot purchase the box of five pens? It has the pen stated with quantity one and no refills.
And this vet thinks I am still to give 3u shots.
I am uploading the script for you to see.

@Jill & Alex (GA) - I want you to look at this script uploaded, if you will.
I put in the order for a box of five, to see if they will do it.
I had just enough room on the visa card to get this box, if they will send the box.
 

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You want to write it as PMPS and AMPS if you give the shot. If you don't give a shot, then it's PMBG and AMBG. PS=pre-shot and BG=blood glucose.

You had it right with the +4. :)
 
You want to write it as PMPS and AMPS if you give the shot. If you don't give a shot, then it's PMBG and AMBG. PS=pre-shot and BG=blood glucose.

You had it right with the +4. :)


So, should I do it as this way?

PMBG / +4

or just do the +4


AMPS / 447 / 1u /
+2 / 311
+3 / 287
+6 / 235
PMPS / 405 / 1u
+4 / 305


I am up late because I am now messed up with my own schedule :/

Whoever it was that told me about puttin the cloth in the microwave and then in a bag - thank you! That is making the stick to the ear go much better. Just a small drop of blood to a small bubble up is enough and this warm cloth is making it work and Mouzer is loving the warm cloth to his ear, even though it is in a bag. He likes that warmth. It probably feels good to his poked up ear right now :)
 
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Another issue I am having is that Mouzer is wanting to eat within the two hours of PMPS - like he wanted to eat at +11 and he is in the bathroom just waiting to be able to eat. I walked out as he ran in, thinking he would get his food. I came out here to get my laptop out and say this here. The vet had said for me not to change how we do his eating and that was something to do with the test showing how things go, as we do our normal thing. I feel bad he is in there wanting to eat and I had to ignore him.
Just thinking out loud...
What about feeding him something low carb at around +10 to tide him over til shot time? Maybe a teaspoon of his regular low carb food or a small piece of meat or a feeze-dried treat? It's not like he was going to starve to death between +11 and PMPS time tonight, but I know it's hard to ignore them! :)
@Jill & Alex (GA) - I want you to look at this script uploaded, if you will.
I put in the order for a box of five, to see if they will do it.
I had just enough room on the visa card to get this box, if they will send the box.
Cherryl, I have no idea what they'll say. I never ordered from Canada. Let me tag @Chris & China . She might know. If not, you could always call and ask.
AMPS / 447 / 1u /
+2 / 311
+3 / 287
+6 / 235
PMPS / 405 / 1u
+4 / 305
Perfect! You're catching on fast!
 
I had just enough room on the visa card to get this box, if they will send the box.

They should send you what you ordered....they only need the script for legal reasons.....my original script was for a vial, but I asked for pens and that's what they sent

I'm happy that putting the washcloth in the baggie helped!! I'm even happier that Mouzer seems to like it!! :):):)
 
This is perfect!


I thought it looked all neat and pretty --- and I was pleased :D
Just being silly --- I did think it looks pretty nice, so it must be good :)



Just thinking out loud...
What about feeding him something low carb at around +10 to tide him over til shot time? Maybe a teaspoon of his regular low carb food or a small piece of meat or a feeze-dried treat? It's not like he was going to starve to death between +11 and PMPS time tonight, but I know it's hard to ignore them! :)

Cherryl, I have no idea what they'll say. I never ordered from Canada. Let me tag @Chris & China . She might know. If not, you could always call and ask.

Perfect! You're catching on fast!


Oh ok - it was said not to feed two hours before PMPS - so you mean at that two hours before, to feed something? He did just wait patiently but he meows so sweet it puts a guilt trip on me. And he ran out from under my bed and into the bathroom, wanting breakfast, so he is in there now, waiting patiently. I put his towel down for him to lay on, while he waits. I will be doing AMPS here shortly.

And I forgot!! It was @Chris & China who spoke about how she talks with the pharmacy guy at the Canadian pharmacy. I just remembered. So, I tagged you on that and I actually had her in mind. I was tired, forgive me hahahha

And I had to get a little hlep on that last one with the +4 from @Mandy & Rex

Should I be calling myself Mouzer instead of Cherryl hahahha



They should send you what you ordered....they only need the script for legal reasons.....my original script was for a vial, but I asked for pens and that's what they sent

I'm happy that putting the washcloth in the baggie helped!! I'm even happier that Mouzer seems to like it!! :):):)

Thank you for answering that! I realize now it was you that I needed to be asking about the pharmacy.
And thank you for the warm cloth, bag to ear suggestion! And I am so glad Mouzer likes it :)

OK - I have to go do the deal and start a new thread for today :D
 
How nice the cloth in the microwave is working for you and Mouzer :)

Don't feel guilty about him not eating for two hours before his shoot is not like you aren't going to give him food he's just waiting a little he will get used to this new schedule soon
 
How nice the cloth in the microwave is working for you and Mouzer :)

Don't feel guilty about him not eating for two hours before his shoot is not like you aren't going to give him food he's just waiting a little he will get used to this new schedule soon


I am glad the warm cloth is working and I am just hand sticking him - meaning not using that device they sent with the meter - and just a little poke brings up just enough blood and I am glad not much blood is need too. And ok - no worry about spoiled Mouzer getting his food right when he orders it :D



@Chris & China
The Canadian pharmacy just called, being as I am new customer - Everything is good and the shipping is $25 and not the $14.95 shown, but that is ok, still, a box of five pens is WAY more cheaper than the pharmacy here, and I mean by hundreds of dollars cheaper too!!

And I had to agree about the temperature thing, because it is getting warm out now, and the lady said, even with ice packs melted and if it got to room temperature, the box is good for 28 days, just get it into the fridge -- But it will still be good for two years??? I agreed - because they wont send it if I dont agree - So, I hope this was a good thing.

It will arrive USPS and I can keep up with tracking and try to make sure I set no appointments on the day it is to arrive. I hope it wouldnt arrive on the day I have to have Tommy Cat to see the new vet - on June 6th - or on one of my appointments I have to set for something going on, that will be for the next two or even three weeks -- but I can try to be home.

Anyhow, I am glad there was no issue with the way they wrote the script. And I have a message on my phone. A girl called from the vet's office on Saturday, stating they have the original prescription and it shows refills, but she needed to verify my email address before sending.
And someone sent one with no refills and dated May 27 - so that one is not the original one. But no matter - I got it coming anyhow!! I will have plenty, which it would seem to me that five pens should last near a year, if not longer, depending on dose, as far as being used up. So, that is plenty enough for me to get everything I want together before going to a new vet with Mouzer.

OK I just came here to let you know that all is good for that order!! Thank God!!
 
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