3rd shot of Lantus left eye squinting

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Anna❤️Spooter

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Hi my forward your old kitties left eye is squinting and he's had 3 shots total of Lantus two units each as prescribed he is never been on insulin before and like I said this is his third shot ever. He is supposed to take two units twice a day but this left eye thing is scaring me I don't have a monitor yet it's coming in the mail from Amazon.
 
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I'm a bit concerned, since you don't have a meter to test his blood sugar, that he could be really low. Where do you live? Is there a 24 hour Walmart anywhere near you? If so, you could buy a Relion monitor and some strips and check him.

Is he eating okay? How long ago did you give him his insulin?
 
I'm so worried something's going to happen to him and I'll have no control over the situation. Its like a 24-hour knot in my stomach and I know he's counting on me is depending on me to keep him alive and I can't fail him:'( this is really scary I'm so sorry.
 
I'm so worried something's going to happen to him and I'll have no control over the situation. Its like a 24-hour knot in my stomach and I know he's counting on me is depending on me to keep him alive and I can't fail him:'( this is really scary I'm so sorry.
You don't need to apologize. I understand how scary this is. It was a long time ago, but I remember how I felt when Cinco was diagnosed. We all remember how it felt. That's why we help people here.

I gave him his insulin 20 minutes before I noticed his eye and he ate about 20 to 30 minutes before that
How long ago was that? When did you give the insulin? It takes about two hours for the effects to start to show.

How much does he weigh? Two units is rather a high dose to start a cat on. Did the vet say what they think caused diabetes? If he is just four years old, that is very unusual. Most diabetic cats are much older. Was he on some kind of steroids? Do you know what the BG readings were that the vet got?
 
I don't have a dime right now, I spent every penny I have on the vet and insulin I borrowed from everyone I could and ordered the alpha tech 2 from Amazon. My son opened a can of food and he ran, literally ran to it so I'm not sure if he was wobbly because I made him get up so quick after laying down or what but minutes later he ran to the food.
 
Okay, Anna, if I'm going to help you I really need you to go back and read the questions that I've asked you and answer them for me. Most important is: when did you give the insulin tonight? How long ago?
 
He was obese. He's only had the shot 20 or so minutes before I saw his squinty eye. Ever since I got him back he's been lethargic and weak but today was a good day and so was yesterday and I think he's getting stronger but he was in horrible shape when I first got him
 
Okay, so you gave him the insulin about an hour and a half ago? He ate before you gave him the shot? And now he's sleeping?

How much food did you give him? What kind of food are you feeding him?
 
9:50 he ate. 10:15 2units insulin. 10:30 noticed squinty eye. I picked him up and made him walk, looked a bit wobbly like his legs were adjusting to being put on them right away. Asked for help and while I was waiting my son opened a can of food and he ran straight to it not wobbly or anything.
 
Okay. I think the eye is probably just a coincidence. There are a lot of things that can cause that.

You live on the West Coast? I live in Northern California. How much longer can you stay up tonight? I think it would be a good idea to check on him a couple more times before you go to bed, if you can.

Fancy feast seafood classic
Okay, that's a good, low carb food. :)

3 oz can. My son said he ate a few bites of the second can but got full.
Something to keep in mind going forward: With a diabetic cat, it's a good idea to feed a smaller meal at shot time, then give a little more after an hour or so, then a little more an hour or two later. There are several reasons for this. For one, it's easier on the pancreas to deal with smaller amounts of food. Also, if you spread it out during the first 4-6 hours after you give the insulin, it can help keep the blood sugar from dropping too fast. Thirdly, once you are testing, you may find that he is running low and the way to bring his blood sugar up is to feed him. If you have already given him a big meal, he won't be hungry when you need him to eat.
 
My vet did not tell me ANY of this. He said to feed him the canned food and 10or so minutes later give him the shot and wait 12 hours to feed him again then of course 10 minutes later give him the shot!
 
I don't know :'( I couldn't see him for 6 months. My vet was expecting an overweight Kitty when we went to the appointment Thursday right after I picked him up :'( I warned the vet he was fat....then I saw him and about lost it. He seems so fragile now :'(
 
I don't want to scare you, but it is very dangerous for a cat to lose that much weight that quickly. They are subject to something called hepatic lipidosis, or fatty liver disease. It's very serious. Did the vet do a complete blood panel, or just test him for diabetes?
 
The fact that he's eating well is good, by the way. With hepatic lipidosis they often stop eating. I just told you about it to put your guard up. You need to be sure he eats well and at the first sign he isn't eating, he should see the vet. I hope you sent the bill to your ex.
 
ordered the alpha tech 2 from Amazon

If you can, I'd cancel this order and get your money back.....Most of us here use human meters like the Relion Confirm from WalMart because it's cheaper and the strips are affordable. The AT is a fine meter, but the strips are going to cost you about $1 each, and when we're testing at least 4 times a day (and sometimes 10-12 times a day) that cost really adds up fast. Also, if you run out of strips in the middle of the night or on the weekend, you can't get them quickly, where if you use the Relion Confirm, you can get a box of 100 strips for $35,66

The protocols we use here were all developed using human meters and we understand those numbers best.

My vet did not tell me ANY of this

Join the crowd!! Most of us are here because our vets weren't telling us what we thought we needed to know....most of them just threw some insulin at you, told you to shoot X units every 12 hours and come back in 2 weeks so they can run an expensive curve test on him

All testing can and should be done at home where the cat isn't under the stress of being crated and going to the vet
 
Yes and the vet cleared him. He said he tested negative thank god for that. Otherwise he may not have made it or so the doc told me. What should I be looking for when I go to check on him? I hope his eye is a coincidence, but u can understand why I'm so scared. I've literally just found out info. On diabetes.

If I was allowed to get him sooner I would have, he was used as leverage against me...if I'd have only known :( I've got him now and will do every single thing that you tell me to and will make sure to give him the very best that I can.
 
If you can, I'd cancel this order and get your money back.....Most of us here use human meters like the Relion Confirm from WalMart because it's cheaper and the strips are affordable. The AT is a fine meter, but the strips are going to cost you about $1 each, and when we're testing at least 4 times a day (and sometimes 10-12 times a day) that cost really adds up fast. Also, if you run out of strips in the middle of the night or on the weekend, you can't get them quickly, where if you use the Relion Confirm, you can get a box of 100 strips for $35,66
I was just going to suggest this. Amazon is usually pretty good about taking things back and refunding your money.

If you need help affording your insulin supplies, there is an organization call Diabetic Cats in Need. Chris is very active with them. They help people that can't afford to treat their cat's diabetes.

You are in the right place to get help. I know you're pretty stressed right now, but I'd suggest, when you have time, that you read the information at the top of the Lantus and Levemir page - the "Stickies" there contain a LOT of information. It's very overwhelming at first, so take your time reading and ask all the questions you have - we were all new at this once, and we know how confusing and upsetting it is.

For now, though. I think I would drop the insulin dose to 1 unit until you have a meter and can test.

Yes and the vet cleared him. He said he tested negative thank god for that. Otherwise he may not have made it or so the doc told me.
That's wonderful. Sorry, but we just had a member lose her cat to this, and I lost one to it, so that's the first thing I thought of.
What should I be looking for when I go to check on him?
Does he seem to be feeling okay? Is he alert? Can he stand and walk on his own? If he is really wobbly or seems disoriented, that means he may be too low.
 
Ill check him now and will follow instructions to the T. I tried looking at the stickies on the Lantus forum for newbies and I got really confused was in tears and couldn't understand and that's why I made the thread saying 911. I have multiple sclerosis if I could find work I would have a better income, ill do my best though thank you. Ill b back going to check on him now
 
Ill check him now and will follow instructions to the T. I tried looking at the stickies on the Lantus forum for newbies and I got really confused was in tears and couldn't understand and that's why I made the thread saying 911. I have multiple sclerosis if I could find work I would have a better income, ill do my best though thank you. Ill b back going to check on him now
Don't feel bad. I don't have any such issue, and I was totally confused the first several times I read them!! I totally understand how overwhelming it is. You are already going through a lot, it seems, and now this! Just hang in there. Keep asking questions and try to answer ours and we'll help you through this!
 
He's up and walking and purring! <3 Oh my gosh I don't think I've been this happy to see him walk! Bless you all! He looks great now! Ty so much! I can deal having MS, I'm used to it already, but wow this is tough and scary. So its been hours, his blood sugar was too low?
 
o its been hours, his blood sugar was too low?
We have no way of knowing that. This is why it's important to test.

Did the vet give you any of the numbers that he got when he tested? If not, maybe you can call tomorrow and get them. We will ask you to set up a spreadsheet (don't worry, we'll help you) so you can keep track of his BGs and see how the insulin is affecting him.

For now, I would offer him some food before you go to bed. In the morning, I would definitely consider giving only 1 unit, just to be safe.

Did the vet mention anything about something called ketones?
 
I'm quite upset at my vet. I wondered why ,when I told him I joined a forum, he told me not to micromanage and change doses. I didn't understand why he would tell me that but it seems like he may have known that people have figured things out on their own. That was dangerous of him to start us out on such a high dose
 
I'm quite upset at my vet. I wondered why ,when I told him I joined a forum, he told me not to micromanage and change doses. I didn't understand why he would tell me that but it seems like he may have known that people have figured things out on their own. That was dangerous of him to start us out on such a high dose
Don't be too hard on your vet. I took my cats to the University of California at Davis Veterinary Medical Teaching Hospital, which is the #1 rated vet school in the country, and I was told there that the vet students only get 5 hours of study on diabetes - in both cats and dogs! Vets have to learn about a lot of different diseases and conditions in many different species, so unless they have a lot of experience with a particular condition, they often don't know a lot about it and don't keep up with the current thoughts.

We are not vets here, but we have all lived this disease 24/7 - many us for years and some of us with more than one cat. The methods we follow are tried and true.

Is a 3oz can a big meal?
It is a lot to give them all at once. I gave my cats about an ounce at shot time, then another ounce a couple hours later, then another an hour or two later. With Lantus, it's a good idea to feed them in the first half of the twelve hour cycle, when the insulin's effects are increasing. Once you are testing, we will tell you not to feed at all in the two hours before you test and shoot, so that the BG you get has not been influenced by the food and you know it is safe to give insulin.
 
Ok 1 oz at shot time, an hour or two later 1 more oz, and again two hours later later 1 oz. That would mean 2pm his first can will b gone. When should I feed him dinner? And should I do about the same? I can't believe the vet told me to wait the entire 12 hours to feed him when you obviously know your stuff. I won't be mad I'm just in shock because I trust him to know and take care of pooter and to find out these things....well I'm just in shock. I guess I never realized this can happen with animals too. I've had a few different neurologists and have gone through similar issues lol! Never dawned on me animal docs goof it up too sometimes.
 
Ok awesome! And another weird thing is that he told me I didn't need to test during this first two weeks because the results weren't going to mean much because it's the first couple weeks of weird activity or up and downs I guess. I didn't really mind because my monitor is being shipped but now I'll find a way to get one tomorrow no matter what! I just can't even thank you guys enough! Wanna hear something funny? I'm allergic to pooter but it never stopped me from rescuing him as a kitten or fighting for custody this year that's how much I love him!
 
When should I feed him dinner? And should I do about the same?
You should feed him his dinner at his evening shot time. We recommend you test (when you have a meter), then feed, then shoot. Many of us give the shot while the cat is eating. You can wait and let him finish, but don't wait too long. The insulin will take effect in about 2 hours and he needs to have food on board when it does.
 
now I'll find a way to get one tomorrow no matter what! I just can't even thank you guys enough!
If you have a Walmart nearby, their Relion meters are good and the strips are much less expensive than the Alpha Trak.

! And another weird thing is that he told me I didn't need to test during this first two weeks because the results weren't going to mean much because it's the first couple weeks of weird activity or up and downs I guess.
A cat can go into hypoglycemia at any time on insulin if the dose is too high. Testing is the only way to be sure that doesn't happen. Most vets think people won't want to bother with it, so they don't recommend it. Things are often unpredictable at first, but that's a good reason to keep track!

Should I just come back to this thread when I get my numbers and results from the vet via email?
No. We ask each member to start a new thread each day. You can put a link to this thread in your first post of the day, so people can go back and see what was already discussed. If you need help doing that, just ask. When you get up in the morning and are more rested, I recommend you read back through this and see what we've said and what we've asked you. You can answer any questions you haven't already answered tomorrow.

Also, tomorrow when you feel a bit better, have a look at this post: http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/updated-tips-for-new-members.173572/ It will help you understand how we do things here and answer some questions you haven't asked yet.

And for dinner can he have a larger portion or should I try to space it out again.
Space it out again. Treat the nighttime cycle (12 hours from shot to shot) just like the daytime one. You don't have to stick to 1 ounce. If Spooter gobbles it down and is still hungry, you can give him more than that. Especially if the vet told you he needs to gain weight. I just meant give him 1/3 of his food then, and 1/3 1-2 hours later, etc.



 
Anna, before you go to bed, could you please take the 911 off of your subject line? We like to use that only when the need is urgent, and take it down when you've gotten a response.
 
To do that, go to your initial post and put your cursor over "thread tools" on the right side. When you have the subject line open, put the cursor over the 911 and change it to no prefix. Thanks.
 
Anna, before you go to bed, could you please take the 911 off of your subject line? We like to use that only when the need is urgent, and take it down when you've gotten a response.
Guess she missed that?... I saw the 911 but I'm glad to see kitty is ok.


Anna, unregulated cats need more food than most cats because their bodies can't utilize the nutrients properly. If he's hungry, feed him, especially since he had weight to gain.

Also it would be a good idea to make sure you have a few cans of higher carb gravy food on hand and honey in case of hypoglycemia so you can get numbers up quickly.
 
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