Freya's ProZinc Saga

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Yong said:
When I saw him more on his hocks that's when I made the Vet appointment. First Vet (long time Vet) refused to do blood work. Said he was just fat and needed to lose weight. She was glad to see he lost weight and was eating less (for a period of time). I left with fire burning in my eyes....
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What the @#$%?! That is infuriating and so irresponsible of the vet. Poor kitty. I'd have been mad too. Glad to hear he's gained some weight back though! Freya just felt so frail upon my return, like she might break if I held her wrong. I'd cry sometimes just from picking her up. She's not back to normal yet, but looks better now in so many ways. I think maybe the insulin switch has just thrown her off a little.

And yeah, I guess the best thing for everything is to control the BG, in the end. She's running/playing/jumping more readily again, so maybe that's what healing looks like for her, even if she didn't have it as bad as some do. I'd read that about the B12. Something I'll have to keep in mind. I wonder if a little of that might help since it's not severe anyway. She doesn't act like it hurts, but it's obviously uncomfortable for her.
 
They are tough when it comes to hiding pain. Maury would force himself to come upstairs to the bedroom cos I think he knew I knew something wasn't right when he stayed downstairs. I'd try to jump out of bed to catch him halfway and carry him the rest of the way. Then I'd wake up throughout the night seeing if he was trying to go down so I could carry him down again. Tough little guy :)
 
Blair & Freya said:
I like the idea of a timed feeder, in theory... but when Freya knows there's food somewhere, she can get obsessive. I have a feeling she'd break into a feeder unless it was very well constructed! If anyone has found a brand that can stand up to a particularly persistent cat, I'd love to know, hahah.

I ended up giving her extra food tonight since she was hungry, and she's settled down now. Looking at her, she still has a belly, but her little hips are too obvious for my liking. Kind of strange looking since she's not equally thin all over.

Maybe I'll use snack time to start to introduce her new foods, since they're even lower carb than her main meals at the moment. Assuming her BG doesn't disagree with some random ingredient, it should interfere less with her levels. I feel very fortunate that at least she's never been a picky eater or prone to sickness from food changes.

Oh, something else I've mentioned to the vet before, but they haven't really investigated: her legs. She will thump her back leg(s), like a rabbit, or like something is on her foot, but nothing is there. She'll also shake her front paws and lick at them. Her front legs tremble slightly when she stands. Is this likely to just be the diabetes, or could it be some other undetected thing? She thumped just now which made me realise I hadn't posted about it. She doesn't act like she's in pain with this, and she still jumps up on the bed, chairs, and window sills regularly. But I sure don't like it.
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Could be some mild version of feline hyperesthesia syndrome.
 
Just wanted to chime in on the trembling. Chuck has this randomly in his front legs. It's exactly like Yong described with your legs shaking. He also kicks his back paws randomly but I chalked that up to litter bring stuck on them. Both have happened less since I started zobaline.
Very interesting. My civvie has pain in his front paws from being declawed before I got him. He shakes and licks his paws too but he usually ends up nibbling on them like they itch. ETA: He has a few symptoms that could possibly point to a mild version of feline hyperesthesia syndrome.
I use the petsafe 5 feeder. Chuck has yet to break into it... Knock on wood.
 
Kris & Teasel said:
Could be some mild version of feline hyperesthesia syndrome.
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Yong said:
Both are neurological disorders, so possibly still affected by diabetes. Will have to :bookworm::bookworm::bookworm: :smuggrin:
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StephG said:
Just wanted to chime in on the trembling. Chuck has this randomly in his front legs. It's exactly like Yong described with your legs shaking. He also kicks his back paws randomly but I chalked that up to litter bring stuck on them. Both have happened less since I started zobaline.
Very interesting. My civvie has pain in his front paws from being declawed before I got him. He shakes and licks his paws too but he usually ends up nibbling on them like they itch. ETA: He has a few symptoms that could possibly point to a mild version of feline hyperesthesia syndrome.
I use the petsafe 5 feeder. Chuck has yet to break into it... Knock on wood.
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Interesting information here. Freya may have some discomfort in her front paws too as they're also declawed, though I wish they weren't. But again, none of this ever seemed to start until the diabetic symptoms appeared. She licks between her "fingers". The back leg thumping is a super rapid movement, like how a rabbit would thump on the ground. Her back paws aren't declawed, though.

I'll have to check out the PetSafe. That does look a bit sturdier than a lot of them. How do you handle keeping the wet food fresh in it?
 
I think we were both looking at the same one, but I was just not reading far enough down. I see now, I didn't fully expand all the questions/answers. It looks like it has a slot for a pack underneath the open food slot. For how many hours would that keep the other slots fresh? I've only ever used dry feeders, so this is a new concept for me, hahah. If we had Young Again over here, I'd probably leave a small amount of that in her old dry feeder... but alas.
 
Blair & Freya said:
I think we were both looking at the same one, but I was just not reading far enough down. I see now, I didn't fully expand all the questions/answers. It looks like it has a slot for a pack underneath the open food slot. For how many hours would that keep the other slots fresh? I've only ever used dry feeders, so this is a new concept for me, hahah. If we had Young Again over here, I'd probably leave a small amount of that in her old dry feeder... but alas.
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Some people use a combo of no ice pack/ ice pack with fridge cool food/ ice pack with frozen food etc. to keep food fresh over the course of the day.
 
Kris & Teasel said:
Some people use a combo of no ice pack/ ice pack with fridge cool food/ ice pack with frozen food etc. to keep food fresh over the course of the day.
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Sounds like I may have to experiment with how long it takes her various foods to thaw. Science. :bookworm: Least we have the benefit of being in Scotland where it's cool all year, and not back "home" in Florida where it's like the perpetual seventh circle of hell.

Also, @Yong , I just looked over Maury's sheet again and he really seems like he's doing so much better recently! Those reds are disappearing. Looks like we're similar in that we didn't start home testing until about a month into things. What a difference it makes.
 
Blair & Freya said:
Sounds like I may have to experiment with how long it takes her various foods to thaw. Science. :bookworm: Least we have the benefit of being in Scotland where it's cool all year, and not back "home" in Florida where it's like the perpetual seventh circle of hell.

Also, @Yong , I just looked over Maury's sheet again and he really seems like he's doing so much better recently! Those reds are disappearing. Looks like we're similar in that we didn't start home testing until about a month into things. What a difference it makes.
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Yes, there are some benefits to living in a cool climate! Here in Ottawa it's a climate of extremes - minus 30 C in the winter and +30 with humidity in the summer. o_O
 
Yikes! When I got Freya's mixed trial pack of foods from the Happy Kitty Company, I picked a couple types of things she hadn't eaten before to see how she'd respond. After her lunch today, I'm thinking she's one of those beef-sensitive cats... good god, never seen anything like that before. :eek: Trial and error. Sigh.

She thought it was super tasty though!
 
Blair & Freya said:
Also, @Yong , I just looked over Maury's sheet again and he really seems like he's doing so much better recently! Those reds are disappearing. Looks like we're similar in that we didn't start home testing until about a month into things. What a difference it makes.
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He's making me a little :confused: with his day cycles lol. Correct, I had planned to start after his first Vet curve (failed attempt) after second Vet said I could do it at home but I went and injured myself for a bout 3 1/2 weeks. May have healed faster if I hadn't pushed myself to get him his insulin but I knew I couldn't skip that for so long. Since I couldn't move much, I perched on my sofa and watched him like a hawk ;)
 
Rachel said:
I'm in Alabama, so I totally get the 7th circle of hell thing! :banghead:
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Kris & Teasel said:
There have been summer days here Ottawa, Canada that feel like the 7th circle of hell ...
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Hahah, I think the average summer temperature where I am in Scotland is like... 50 F/15ish C. It does get warmer than that during the days, in the 60s. As soon as it hits 65, the Scots are lying on the grass in the city centre and talking about it being hot. There is the occasional (actual!) heatwave, but it's got nothing on Florida.

Yong said:
He's making me a little :confused: with his day cycles lol. Correct, I had planned to start after his first Vet curve (failed attempt) after second Vet said I could do it at home but I went and injured myself for a bout 3 1/2 weeks. May have healed faster if I hadn't pushed myself to get him his insulin but I knew I couldn't skip that for so long. Since I couldn't move much, I perched on my sofa and watched him like a hawk ;)
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Yeah, Freya went and got diabetes at an inconvenient time for me too. She's so inconsiderate. But never had a curve done at the vet. They just told me to inject her the same dose every day, no mention of home testing until I found this site, and said she'd get a curve eventually. One of the vets actively discourages the daily testing and tells me it'll lead to overanalysis. Sorry, but I don't want my cat to be like the one the vet told me about at Freya's last visit. Apparently, this cat was diabetic for years, then suddenly had a hypo and was so near death that everyone was shocked it survived to go OTJ! But hey, he was getting fructosamine tests every X months... :confused: The thought of it freaks me out. I've wondered if that vet just thinks it will lead to me asking more questions or being more annoying. I feel like I'm contacting them a lot less than I would be without the data! But ugh, thinking of those odd days where she's below 150 and the vet would've had me just blindly shooting 3+ units... I don't get it. But I could rant about that for ages!
 
Blair & Freya said:
Yeah, Freya went and got diabetes at an inconvenient time for me too. She's so inconsiderate. But never had a curve done at the vet. They just told me to inject her the same dose every day, no mention of home testing until I found this site, and said she'd get a curve eventually. One of the vets actively discourages the daily testing and tells me it'll lead to overanalysis. Sorry, but I don't want my cat to be like the one the vet told me about at Freya's last visit. Apparently, this cat was diabetic for years, then suddenly had a hypo and was so near death that everyone was shocked it survived to go OTJ! But hey, he was getting fructosamine tests every X months... :confused: The thought of it freaks me out. I've wondered if that vet just thinks it will lead to me asking more questions or being more annoying. I feel like I'm contacting them a lot less than I would be without the data! But ugh, thinking of those odd days where she's below 150 and the vet would've had me just blindly shooting 3+ units... I don't get it. But I could rant about that for ages!
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My Aunt's kitty had diabetes and other health issues for a few years. She did occasional curves and had frucstosamine tests, think I already said they tried to guilt me for testing Maury's BG "Aww all those pokes are painful" My thought (kept my smart@$$ mouth shut), Death from a hypo is more painful. Unfortunately, I think her kitty went DKA and she had him put to sleep. She loved her cat but her sister needs her and I think she was tired of living the 12hr life.
 
Yong said:
My Aunt's kitty had diabetes and other health issues for a few years. She did occasional curves and had frucstosamine tests, think I already said they tried to guilt me for testing Maury's BG "Aww all those pokes are painful" My thought (kept my smart@$$ mouth shut), Death from a hypo is more painful. Unfortunately, I think her kitty went DKA and she had him put to sleep. She loved her cat but her sister needs her and I think she was tired of living the 12hr life.
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Aw, that's too bad. What frustrates me is the lack of vet instruction, and vets even being disagreeable to owners being proactive. The cats really do get used to the pokes, though. Freya doesn't even seem to feel them 80% of the time anymore. She gets more grumpy from being forced to sit still than from the pokes! The times she does feel them, it's because she's gotten impatient and decided to jerk her head just as I'm about to do it. o_O But she practically sleeps through her PM ones now. Rather have a cat that's grumpy for five seconds than a dead cat.
 
Right?! I understand Vet's not pushing it on people but don't disagree if you have someone who is more than willing ;). I think Maury meows most times out of habit lol
 
Three yellow pre-shots in a row! This is new. Well, this morning's was literally as high a yellow as it could be without being pink, but I'll take what I can get to console myself as I try to work out her food... :rolleyes:

Yesterday I gave her more at the +4s than I planned on doing regularly. She gets 1 1/3 pouches of Whiskas before each shot -- already above her suggested intake, but she needs to fatten up. I'm going to see how she does on an extra pouch per day, with 1/2 between each shot. I can try to do a different time, but +4 is doable for me usually, until I can get my hands on a feeder. Once I have a feeder, what time do you guys think I should set it for to keep her as low as I can for longer? She seems to be lower from +4 to +6/+7, without that much change during that stretch. She's a scarfer, for what it's worth. She'll be getting about half as much at snack times today as yesterday, so the spikes won't be as high. And after seeing her AM +6 yesterday, she's not getting any more beef! I'm still shocked. Totally demolished the nice greens that were coming. /sniff

Yesterday might not be the best representation. But looking at her recent pattern overall, I'm not certain what the best time to do it is. Should I maybe try giving it to her shortly after her shot, once her other food has settled? I don't have a zero-carb food, sadly... so whatever I give her will cause a rise of some sort. Now that I think about it, it sounds like that might be a good option? Assuming it's long enough after her other meal that she won't puke.

I think once I have some sort of workable pattern/solution going, I'll start trialling other foods. Really need an alternative to Whiskas that works for her. Argh.
 
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Hurray for the yellows! One added suggestion about the feeder, and please forgive me if this has already been said - I was just skimming - but be sure to add some extra water to the food that will open later. Having the lid on those compartments does keep them fresher than being out in the air, but a little extra water helps too!

You're doing such a great job with Freya!
 
Rachel said:
You could do +4 or +5. If you could test it out on a weekend when you're home, you could see when she tends to go lowest and set the feeder up for that time.
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Djamila said:
Hurray for the yellows! One added suggestion about the feeder, and please forgive me if this has already been said - I was just skimming - but be sure to add some extra water to the food that will open later. Having the lid on those compartments does keep them fresher than being out in the air, but a little extra water helps too!

You're doing such a great job with Freya!
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Thanks for the tips. I do add water to her food, but might not have thought about it if I ended up freezing a little of it for the feeder, so I'll remember that now! And thanks, I'm really trying with her. Hate seeing her lose weight again. :(

I found an Encore chicken pate that's supposed to be zero carbs, but of course the Asda near us doesn't have it, at least not today. Guess I'll have to check back another day, and try Sainsbury's. It would be great to get a hold of something like that so she could eat more if needed without it doing a number on her BG. Could even mix her Whiskas with it if I wanted her to have a little carb content but not too much. I was all excited to have her try some, but my husband bore the bad news of none being in stock... bleh!
 
I always add water to Maury's frozen portions too, make sure he gets the extra water :). With the exception of today (involuntary cat nap) Maury gets his lunch at +4 and PM lunch after before bed test. The frozen one's probably thaw before the +4 but I'm not home to control that :rolleyes:. Basically, I like to get it in him before his nadir, when the insulin is working at it's peak and hopefully the carbs are wearing out by that point :)
 
:oops: Don't mind the mess there but this is under the part that spins. I thought this was the spot for an ice pack.
I just put an ice cube on top of the food. It keeps it from drying out and keeps it cool.
 

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Yong said:
I always add water to Maury's frozen portions too, make sure he gets the extra water :). With the exception of today (involuntary cat nap) Maury gets his lunch at +4 and PM lunch after before bed test. The frozen one's probably thaw before the +4 but I'm not home to control that :rolleyes:. Basically, I like to get it in him before his nadir, when the insulin is working at it's peak and hopefully the carbs are wearing out by that point :)
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That makes sense and is sort of what I was contemplating too, so it's good to hear of someone else doing the same. I may try that. Ideally I'd like to give her a tiny bit of Whiskas or something at +4ish with a small amount of carbs, and mix it with as large a portion of zero-carb stuff as necessary to get her chubbed up again. It would be so nice to be able to feed her larger amounts without her BG going berserk. Her carb sensitivity is such a headache, I swear. But watch, with my luck, some random and seemingly innocuous ingredient will spike her anyway. :arghh: There's nothing dodgy on the ingredients list, but I'm sure she'll find a way...
 
StephG said:
:oops: Don't mind the mess there but this is under the part that spins. I thought this was the spot for an ice pack.
I just put an ice cube on top of the food. It keeps it from drying out and keeps it cool.
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Oh, I see! That's actually very helpful. Why don't they show these types of images on the purchasing pages?

Is it possible to weigh the feeder down with something on top without it affecting the mechanism? I ask because I am positive she'd push the thing all around the kitchen and dig at it trying to get food out.
 
Can you get these in Scotland? They are listed as 0% carbs on Dr. Lisa's list. Even when I calculated a few, highest I got was 3%. I like to have ranges compared to Dr.Lisa's values :smuggrin:. It's with her formula so not like I don't trust her information :D
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Yong said:
Can you get these in Scotland? They are listed as 0% carbs on Dr. Lisa's list. Even when I calculated a few, highest I got was 3%. I like to have ranges compared to Dr.Lisa's values :smuggrin:. It's with her formula so not like I don't trust her information :D
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Apparently I can get them for like... £50 on Amazon UK, hahah.

I think the equivalent to Fancy Feast here might be Gourmet, but the varietes I checked so far had too many carbs. :bookworm:
 
She has a couple varieties of MAC's to try still. The veal & turkey type was the one that spiked her so insanely, which was disappointing. I have a couple other very low-carb types from them, but am wondering if ingredients like banana and blueberry might spike her. She's never had that kind of thing before. I guess we'll find out.
 
With our timed feeder, it totally stressed Sam out the first couple of days, and he would not stop trying to break into it. I thought he was going to hurt himself. I kept picking him up and moving him to a different room, but he kept running back. After it spun the first time and he got some food, he settled down a little bit. Within a day or two, he didn't wrestle with it as much and his stress went back down. He knows exactly when it's going to open, and both cats are always sitting there staring at it by the time it opens. So all that to say: it will probably be a bit difficult at first, and it's hard to watch our kitties be stressed like that, but hopefully Freya will settle down too after a little adjustment period.
 
Djamila said:
With our timed feeder, it totally stressed Sam out the first couple of days, and he would not stop trying to break into it. I thought he was going to hurt himself. I kept picking him up and moving him to a different room, but he kept running back. After it spun the first time and he got some food, he settled down a little bit. Within a day or two, he didn't wrestle with it as much and his stress went back down. He knows exactly when it's going to open, and both cats are always sitting there staring at it by the time it opens. So all that to say: it will probably be a bit difficult at first, and it's hard to watch our kitties be stressed like that, but hopefully Freya will settle down too after a little adjustment period.
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That's encouraging. I'm mostly worried she'd obsess and break the damn thing, hahah. She did come to ignore the dry feeder until she heard the motor at meal times, so I'd hope she'd do the same with a wet one. She's just so fixated on food these days.

She's currently sleeping off her dinner. I looked back to check on her and this was too cute not to share:

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Black cats are hard to get pictures of, but you can kind of make out a cat-shaped blob if you squint. She has this thing about putting toys wherever she sleeps. She'll pick one up and carry it somewhere to nap with it, and often we'll wake up with one of her toys on the bed. Sometimes she does this weird meow at night, and after staying up a couple times to test her, I've realised it's her toy-carrying meow. Weirdo.
 
Blair & Freya said:
She'll pick one up and carry it somewhere to nap with it, and often we'll wake up with one of her toys on the bed. Sometimes she does this weird meow at night, and after staying up a couple times to test her, I've realised it's her toy-carrying meow. Weirdo.
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Oh my gosh!!! My civvie totally does all of that too!!! It's so crazy! He has this one mouse in particular that's like a toddler's security blanket - he has to have it to sleep if I'm not home. And I totally know that weird toy-carrying cry.

Also: those pictures are absolutely adorable! What a sweet baby you have!
 
I had a kitty in the past who would go get socks from my clean socks basket and drag them down the hall like she was carrying a dead antelope. She did that weird echo-y meow thing while she had the socks in her mouth. Cats are so strange sometimes ...
 
Djamila said:
Oh my gosh!!! My civvie totally does all of that too!!! It's so crazy! He has this one mouse in particular that's like a toddler's security blanket - he has to have it to sleep if I'm not home. And I totally know that weird toy-carrying cry.
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I had a kitty in the past who would go get socks from my clean socks basket and drag them down the hall like she was carrying a dead antelope. She did that weird echo-y meow thing while she had the socks in her mouth. Cats are so strange sometimes ...
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The meow really is strange. I wonder if this behaviour is some kind of "hunting" thing.

I'm liking these recurring yellow pre-shots. I just wish I could keep her down more throughout the cycle. All of yesterday was pretty flat even before she had her +4 food. The day before, she had some blues, but not as low as I'd like to see. The little Sainsbury's by us didn't have any of the food I was looking for (only had Encore dog), and Asda doesn't seem to stock the pates. :arghh: Even online they seem a bit scarce. So back to the drawing board. I might see what Morrison's carries if I end up down that way later, and for today's +4, I might try another of the MAC's. She never has digestive issues, but trying new foods is so intense now that she's diabetic. Those sugar spikes... :nailbiting: Maybe I'll try Applaws or something if these don't work out.

I'll also be ordering her that feeder, today most likely. God, I have a feeling it's going to be hellish until she adjusts to the idea of there being food she can smell but not immediately gobble! Seriously no idea how grazer cats even work. She's always been a scarfer.

After I got home from the food search and sat down at the desk to check the forums, she jumped down from the bed where she'd been sleeping and came over. She put her little paw on my leg and squeaked, so I picked her up and she loafed in my lap for a bit. She hasn't "asked" to get on my lap while I've been at the desk for quite a while. She'll crawl onto or beside me if I'm sitting elsewhere, but that was kind of nice.
 
Ugh! +4 reading of 220 (12.2) before her food. Where did the blues go??

She tried some MAC's Turkey & Blueberry. The can is 400g but I did my best to spoon out approximately 50g. Looked like a nice quality, with recognisable meat. Smelled decent. As with everything else, she inhaled it. While I'm sure she'd have eaten herself sick if I let her, it did seem to fill her up enough to hang out on the window sill and purr about being scratched. I tested her just now, about an hour after she ate, and her BG has continued to go down! It's 162 (9.0). Obviously not ideal, but at least it doesn't look like she had any sort of crazy reaction to the blueberry. Compare to the 100-point rise on the Veal & Turkey! Granted, she got more that time, but that amount shouldn't have caused her number to double at +5 in any case!

I feel a little better that at least this food seems okay. It's a start. She'll finish off that can over the next however many feedings so it doesn't go to waste. I guess I may have to watch her a little more closely if it's having a lesser impact on her than the Whiskas. Which it should; I think it's around 1% carb. The Salmon & Chicken is pretty low too, so she'll try that at the next opportunity... but that one has banana. Hopefully we get a similar result with it. Looks like I may have to hit up the Happy Kitty Company again!
 
The PetSafe 5 feeder arrived today. I put her PMPS meal in the open slot to get her used to it, and her PM +4 snack in there with some ice to see how it holds up. I'll check tonight to see if it rotates when it's supposed to. She's been licking furiously at it, and when I last checked, she was sitting by it and staring. She's getting extra food as it is, the little hog. Doesn't feel like she's lost any more weight, so I'm pleased about that.

The (barely) yellow pre-shots continue! ...As do the flatter cycles. o_O Yesterday was better, but not good enough. It's nice to see so many more yellows than pinks, but she's lost some blues and greens. I think she got a bit more food than she maybe needed at her pre-shots today (not used to how MAC's portions work for her yet), so that may be why she was a little bit higher. You can see the food isn't really doing much to her at the +4s though, so not sure how big a factor it was in her numbers today. She just seems flatter in general, and higher than she should be, with the exception of the 2nd. Prior to her food spike that day, that is... still mad about that. :facepalm:

I guess it could still be a bounce, but do you think I might need to do a slight dose increase if she doesn't go back down some within the next few cycles? Like maybe attempt a fat 2.25 or a normal 2.5 again?
 
It does look like bouncing to me...why not give it a cycle or 2 and let's see if she breaks that pattern or if she stays high and flat.
 
I had a black cat, Bubba, that NEVER meowed except for in the middle of the night with a toy in his mouth. First time he did it I bolted out of bed thinking he was dying or stuck/hurt.
I agree with the Rachel that it looks like she's bouncing.
 
StephG said:
I had a black cat, Bubba, that NEVER meowed except for in the middle of the night with a toy in his mouth. First time he did it I bolted out of bed thinking he was dying or stuck/hurt.
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The toy meow is really a horrible sound, hahah. And I have a soft spot for black cats thanks to her.

Rachel said:
It does look like bouncing to me...why not give it a cycle or 2 and let's see if she breaks that pattern or if she stays high and flat.
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I agree with the Rachel that it looks like she's bouncing.
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I'm glad you're both thinking that, because I thought it might be but talked myself into being on the fence about it. I'll see how she does over the next day or so.
 
I'm sitting on that fence with you. If I squint and turn my head one way, it looks like bouncing, but if I squint and turn my head the other way it looks like too little insulin. ;)

However, I wouldn't recommend a dose change while you're still figuring out the food. @jbfrank did a great job of explaining the other day how diabetes craves consistency, and I've certainly found that to be true. Since you're only two cycles on a new food, I would think sticking with the dose for another cycle or two would help do both: clear the bounce and give the food change time to settle.
 
She's 241 (13.4) for her AMPS. What do you think I should shoot? Not sure if anyone on here is even up yet, hahah.

Edit: I stalled (which she was very angry about!) and she was back up to 295 (16.4) after twenty minutes. I'd have liked to inject at 241, but I'm really not certain what I should do at that range. I haven't managed to figured out a scale. :confused: Does anyone have any suggestions on that?
 
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Djamila said:
I'm sitting on that fence with you. If I squint and turn my head one way, it looks like bouncing, but if I squint and turn my head the other way it looks like too little insulin. ;)

However, I wouldn't recommend a dose change while you're still figuring out the food. @jbfrank did a great job of explaining the other day how diabetes craves consistency, and I've certainly found that to be true. Since you're only two cycles on a new food, I would think sticking with the dose for another cycle or two would help do both: clear the bounce and give the food change time to settle.
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That's a good point. The Happy Kitty Company has also been out of half of the foods I was going to get for her, so I'm not able to order more yet. She's back on the Whiskas for now and will try MAC's Salmon & Chicken once some more time has passed since her last fish day. HKC is now out of MAC's Duck/Turkey/Chicken, Poultry/Cranberry, and the smaller cans of Salmon/Chicken that I was wanting. :arghh: WHY.
 
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She's 241 (13.4) for her AMPS. What do you think I should shoot? Not sure if anyone on here is even up yet, hahah.

Edit: I stalled (which she was very angry about!) and she was back up to 295 (16.4) after twenty minutes. I'd have liked to inject at 241, but I'm really not certain what I should do at that range. I haven't managed to figured out a scale. :confused: Does anyone have any suggestions on that?
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Based on the blues you've had recently I'd try 2.5 u if you can monitor. I find that focusing on how low a dose has taken a kitty can be the deciding factor even though you have to give a nod to the PS. You could probably use 200 as your NS given the amount of data you have. That can be lowered over time too.
 
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