3/20 OZZY PMPS 64 +1 81 +2 97 +3.5 127

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Ozzy Pawzbourne

Ozzy Pawzbourne

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Hi All,

Ozzy has been headed down today.

AMPS
+1.5 =144 (left out MC in feeder bc at work and not able to monitor
+11.15 =83
PMPS 64

We were late with shot this am so were planning to take Ozzy back 30 minutes with his shot tonight but he pulled an 83. Decided to wait the full 12 hours and thought he would go back up a little but instead he dropped to 64.

Going to stall now for 15 mins but we need to get him back to shot time tomorrow around 6-6:30 am so don't want to stall too long. It's 6:52 now.

Should we give him a full shot, reduced shot, feed higher carb food?

Any advice appreciated.

Thanks!
 
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Looks like Ozzy vomited today as well. Not sure if it was the MC meal we left in the feeder at 10am to help keep his numbers up. Probably was... :facepalm:
 
Ok, put down LC dinner. Gotta do something here. Sorry I couldn't post for dosing advice sooner. I just got home. Hubby got the 84 reading and I told him to wait off till I got home.

Going to go ahead and shoot a reduced dose - .5U and monitor. We have LOTS of supplies and a ton of LC and HC food, Honey, Karo and the dreaded last to reach kibble on hand.

Fingers crossed things go well. Never shot this low of a number. But don't want to completely mess up Ozzy's cycles by skipping.
 
That happened to me a few times. I was told it was ok to put up a 911, to get eyes on my post if I was concerned. Then I just had to change it right away. I sometimes make decisions on my own, but only as time has gone by. I've been told that it's not good to change the dose, just because of the number. And I've done it, only to later find out that this wasn't a good idea for Chase. But I never went without giving him a shot at all, unless someone experienced advised me. I have learned that, with Chase, I could always steer him with food. But anytime he was low, I would make sure that someone was here with me that could advise and encourage me. Good luck with you furbaby. :)
 
Sandi & Chase in AZ said:
I'm sorry that no one has responded with help, yet, Joanna.
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It's ok, I didn't really give a lot of lead time. Just got home to this situation.

Went ahead with the .5 unit dose which is half of Ozzy's current 1U dose just to get some insulin into him and not mess any momentum he was having on the lantus. We will monitor and if it's not looking good, we can abort the cycle and feed him out of it. Sometimes when he drops low like this, he immediately bounces and throws higher numbers. I really don't know what to expect because Ozzy is unpredictable.
 
Ozzy Pawzbourne said:
It's ok, I didn't really give a lot of lead time. Just got home to this situation.

Went ahead with the .5 unit dose which is half of Ozzy's current 1U dose just to get some insulin into him and not mess any momentum he was having on the lantus. We will monitor and if it's not looking good, we can abort the cycle and feed him out of it. Sometimes when he drops low like this, he immediately bounces and throws higher numbers. I really don't know what to expect because Ozzy is unpredictable.
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Chase used to be unpredictable, too. He still is sometimes, but he's way better than he used to be.
 
Sandi & Chase in AZ said:
That happened to me a few times. I was told it was ok to put up a 911, to get eyes on my post if I was concerned. Then I just had to change it right away. I sometimes make decisions on my own, but only as time has gone by. I've been told that it's not good to change the dose, just because of the number. And I've done it, only to later find out that this wasn't a good idea for Chase. But I never went without giving him a shot at all, unless someone experienced advised me. I have learned that, with Chase, I could always steer him with food. But anytime he was low, I would make sure that someone was here with me that could advise and encourage me. Good luck with you furbaby. :)
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Oh Crap! I was giving what I have heard termed a "BCS" = "Big Chicken Shot".
 
Looks like Ozzy broke a bounce and that's why he has a low number this late in the cycle. Hopefully he'll do just fine without the need for a bunch of mc of hc interventions. It's kind of cool shooting a low number -after the fact! :D
 
Barbara & Uncle said:
Looks like Ozzy broke a bounce and that's why he has a low number this late in the cycle. Hopefully he'll do just fine without the need for a bunch of mc of hc interventions. It's kind of cool shooting a low number -after the fact! :D
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Well I wouldn't exactly describe the feeling as cool. lol. A little nerve wracking actually. I do feel we have been at this quite some time now and have received a lot of great guidance in the past for situations like these. I just kept thinking "shoot low to stay low" and I really didn't want to skip if we didn't have to. I put out Ozzy's normal LC dinner and will test him at 1 hr in to see how he is doing and go from there. Praying it's an uneventful night.

Barbara, since Ozzy is breaking a bounce, do you think he will stay low or bounce again from his 64 ps#?
 
I've never given a BCS, so I'm not sure. I'd probably think about it like this; you know Ozzy's numbers were starting to climb when you gave him insulin. The insulin will kick in an hour or two later so his numbers would theoretically be even higher by then. Also, since you are experienced experts really) at steering with food and good committed testers everything should be O.K. Whatever happens I'd use it as a learning experience. It is kind of freaky when their lowest number of the day is at the end of the cycle! However, if this is a good dose (not too much or too little) for Ozzy he shouldn't drop too low. I have shot a falling number before and everything was ok. I hope Ozzy's tummy is feeling better :bighug:
 
Thanks Barbara. He hasn'tbeen vomiting much lately after that GI mess we dealt with when "experimenting" with new foods. I was hopeful we were past that. I stopped all the supplements- really because I was getting lazy about it and he was doing better- will start them back up again.
 
Ozzy Pawzbourne said:
Thanks Barbara. He hasn'tbeen vomiting much lately after that GI mess we dealt with when "experimenting" with new foods. I was hopeful we were past that. I stopped all the supplements- really because I was getting lazy about it and he was doing better- will start them back up again.
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It's always a good feeling when you can finally figure out what works for them and what doesn't!
 
Barbara & Uncle said:
It's always a good feeling when you can finally figure out what works for them and what doesn't!
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No kidding! I honestly don't know if we are there yet. Just trying our best. My kitties seem super happy, especially since they got a new 5' tall tree house last week, so one day, one purr, one happy kitty at a time. Was so much easier with younger vs geriatric kitties, but we love them even more in their silver years!!
 
I would have suggested that he was clearing a bounce and if you were going to be home tonight and have plenty of supplies (and could test as long as necessary), to go ahead and shoot the scheduled dose...as long as he was able to keep his food down tonight

If you're not sure about vomiting, you can always go ahead and test, feed....and shoot 15-20 minutes later to make sure it stays down

But don't worry about it tonight!....You'll see how he does with the BCS and have that in your database for "next time"......and there's always a "next time"!! ;)
 
+1 = 81

With meter variance, that's not really a change at all. I was hoping that his numbers would have gone up in general and it's an hour now after he had his dinner which should have produced a food spike of some sort. I am actually a little nervous where he is going to go numbers-wise once the insulin kicks in in the next hour.

Paws crossed.
 
Ozzy Pawzbourne said:
No kidding! I honestly don't know if we are there yet. Just trying our best. My kitties seem super happy, especially since they got a new 5' tall tree house last week, so one day, one purr, one happy kitty at a time. Was so much easier with younger vs geriatric kitties, but we love them even more in their silver years!!
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I know, I'm not sure I'm quite there yet with food.
All this care taking is tough. Uncle being diabetic and now Stage 2 CKD, my 13 year old "puppy" Carlos' back end isn't keeping up with his busy brain, big heart and indomitable spirit. Just in the past few days my 4 year old cat has had a wet cough. Took her to the walk-in vet (couldn't in with my regular) and they gave her a Convenia shot :stop: and want me to put her on pred.! Not sure what to do, the cough is pretty bad. I'm so burnt out right now with the caretaking. Love em all SO MUCH!!!
My work is getting really busy, I run a small business and am responsable for just about everything and everyone. SO BURNT OUT!!!!!!!
 
Chris & China said:
I would have suggested that he was clearing a bounce and if you were going to be home tonight and have plenty of supplies (and could test as long as necessary), to go ahead and shoot the scheduled dose...as long as he was able to keep his food down tonight

If you're not sure about vomiting, you can always go ahead and test, feed....and shoot 15-20 minutes later to make sure it stays down

But don't worry about it tonight!....You'll see how he does with the BCS and have that in your database for "next time"......and there's always a "next time"!! ;)
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Thanks @Chris & China I feel like we have seen it all with Ozzy but he still throws us surprises!

I am a little nervous that his numbers are not continuing to climb up yet an hour after eating since the insulin has not kicked in yet. Hoping for a flat cycle. Will test him again at +2 and see where he's at. So much for a mellow night. Guess I can't complain too much, Ozzy has been pretty mellow and stress free as far as low numbers go. As soon as we were getting a little comfortable, he says "not so"! I also had an inkling that once we increased his dose, we were going to have to take him back down again. That hasn't been confirmed just yet, just sayin'....
 
You did fine. I see in his as that he often goes pink in a bounce from green.... it is good to check again in an hour, +1, +2 And go from there.... see if he stays green for a while or pills out the trampoline.... it is always a learning experience until you feel you know your cat.... and then they change the dance. :rolleyes:
 
Barbara & Uncle said:
I know, I'm not sure I'm quite there yet with food. all this care taking is tough. Uncle being diabetic and now Stage 2 CKD, my 13 year old "puppy" Carlos' back end isn't keeping up with his busy brain, big heart and indomitable spirit. Just in the past few days my 4 year old cat has had a wet cough. Took her to the walk-in vet (couldn't in with my regular) and they gave her a Convenia shot :stop: and want me to put her on pred.! Not sure what to do, the cough is pretty bad. I'm so burnt out right now with the caretaking. Love em all SO MUCH!!!
My work is getting really busy, I run a small business and am responsable for just about everything and everyone. SO BURNT OUT!!!!!!!
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Barbara, so sorry to hear about your youngin's cough. You are SUCH AN AMAZING MAMABEAN! It hurts my heart so much when people like you go through such difficult times with your fur babies because you give so much and do so much for them. There are so many bad pet owners out there that deal with much much less difficulties with their animals. It seems so unfair sometimes. I kind of think the big guy upstairs only gives the ones who need the most to the people who can and will do the best for them. :smuggrin:

Sorry to hear about your 'puppy' too. I hope he is comfortable. What kind of dog is he?

Sending you hugs and vines for your little guys and some relief from the stressful work you are dealing with. :bighug::bighug::bighug:
 
Ozzy Pawzbourne said:
What kind of dog is he?
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Big 75 lb mutt. The rescue said his mom was a Border Collie, I'm sure he's got Black Lab (loves water and chasing the ball) and some kind of northern breed, maybe Malamute. Such a sweetie. He watched over Uncle when he was recovering from his leg amputation surgery. :bighug:
I'm going to jump off to get some dinner. I'll post a picture when I get back and check in on you and Ozzy.
 
Barbara & Uncle said:
Big 75 lb mutt. The rescue said his mom was a Border Collie, I'm sure he's got Black Lab (loves water and chasing the ball) and some kind of northern breed, maybe Malamute. Such a sweetie. He watched over Uncle when he was recovering from his leg amputation surgery. :bighug:
I'm going to jump off to get some dinner. I'll post a picture when I get back and check in on you and Ozzy.
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AHHH!! I'm a kitty mamabean, but I totally have a big heart for the droolers! I had a white lab years ago and she was my baby. Yes, please post a pic! I love the pics!!!! Enjoy your fuds!!! :cat::cat:
 
I second Chris - I would have shot the full dose. For a couple of reasons. First, shoot low to stay low. :cool: Second, shooting a BCS won't change much how the first part of this cycle will play out, due to the depot. Third, you stalled which acts a bit like a dose decrease anyway so you didn't need the smaller dose on top of it.

But so what - it's done and this is an excellent opportunity to learn. Every cycle in FD is a do over, so at one point you'll get a chance to do this again.:D
 
Wendy&Neko said:
I second Chris - I would have shot the full dose. For a couple of reasons. First, shoot low to stay low. :cool: Second, shooting a BCS won't change much how the first part of this cycle will play out, due to the depot. Third, you stalled which acts a bit like a dose decrease anyway so you didn't need the smaller dose on top of it.

But so what - it's done and this is an excellent opportunity to learn. Every cycle in FD is a do over, so at one point you'll get a chance to do this again.:D
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@Wendy&Neko Thanks Wendy. I appreciate your feedback. I really wanted to shoot the full dose but the 64/73 preshot number kind of scared me since it was our lowest PS ever and we asked for dosing guidance with not much lead time (I had just gotten home from work) so I just went with a BCS. :eek::eek: I was almost about to do a No Shoot when I saw the 64. My kitty is so unpredictable. This experience will be more data for my treasure trove of Ozzy reactions to lantus. Definitely a learning experience. It's so funny how just when we thought we had things figured out, we get tested again with a new scenario. Really appreciate all the comments and guidance from everyone! I am constantly learning something new from you all! Thank you!
 
Ozzy Pawzbourne said:
Thanks @Gussie's mom Hope you are well!!! :bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug:
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Getting there, thanks! Do you remember the rollercoaster analogy/explanation I gave long ago about shooting low? How weirdly, the higher numbers when you shoot, the bigger the drop, the lower you shoot the flatter or more gentle the dips? Kind of like being on a roller coaster and those slower dips and drops as the coach is nearing the end?
Shooting low is really scary at first because our brain says no, experience so far says it's going to cause a big downward plunge/change in numbers so it must be going to blast thru the floor..but this juice is counter intuitive...:bighug::bighug::D
Congrats on that low PS! Kind of exciting alongside terrifying right!?
:bighug::bighug::bighug:
 
Gussie's mom said:
Getting there, thanks! Do you remember the rollercoaster analogy/explanation I gave long ago about shooting low? How weirdly, the higher numbers when you shoot, the bigger the drop, the lower you shoot the flatter or more gentle the dips? Kind of like being on a roller coaster and those slower dips and drops as the coach is nearing the end?
Shooting low is really scary at first because our brain says no, experience so far says it's going to cause a big downward plunge/change in numbers so it must be going to blast thru the floor..but this juice is counter intuitive...:bighug::bighug::D
Congrats on that low PS! Kind of exciting alongside terrifying right!?
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Yes yes. Totally get all of what you are saying and I do recall hearing this guidance in the past. Just did a +2 test on Ozzy and he's at 97. My first reaction was oh no...he's not going up enough. See how hard wired our brains are to high numbers that we can't even appreciate a NORMAL number! I'm messed up with this FD stuff and living in high numbers for so long. Ozzy is having his second small meal of the night at +2 and he's getting LC as he normally would. Will test him in another hour. Hope we don't blow his 'good' cycle tonight.

Thanks @Gussie's mom
 
Do you mind keeping your subject title updated with the latest numbers? That way we can see at a glance if Ozzy's doing anything silly tonight. Looks like possibly quiet times ahead.
 
Wendy&Neko said:
Do you mind keeping your subject title updated with the latest numbers? That way we can see at a glance if Ozzy's doing anything silly tonight. Looks like possibly quiet times ahead.
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Yes, thanks for the reminder. Was posting from my cell phone earlier but on my laptop now and was going to update the title. thanks!
 
+3.5= 127

Ozzy's numbers continue to rise. Not sure where he will be at nadir but we are going to monitor for the next hour and will put down what ever carbs are necessary in the auto feeder to hold him over for the night. Headed to bed soon. Thanks for all the support tonight! :bighug::bighug::bighug:
 
We do our best! I have shot low numbers many times and am totally comfortable, as long as I feel that I am able to monitor. That said, I panicked the other night at an 87 preshot # and stalled an hour before shooting. All because I was so exhausted and feared I would not be able to care for Taffy well overnight and would be away the next day. Earlier in March, Taffy gave me a surprise PS# of 36...that was a SKIP! I am sure Ozzy will be fine.
 
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