What do you consider too low in glucose count

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One thing I can tell you about young again, and Evo as well, it's that because it's higher in calories and nutrient dense they tend to eat less of it.
Hi, I'm just butting in but wanted to attest to this statement :). I received my YA bag a week ago and even though my boy isn't on it 100% yet I have noticed he is not gobbling it all up after his meal, like he did with just the DM.
 
You can e-mail them for a free sample, it's like the size of a treat bag. It does contain pork so some kitties don't do well with pork. Also, I did not follow their instructions on the bag. They recommend stopping insulin and immediately switching out food. I knew that would not bode well for Maury so that's why I am transitioning him and still giving insulin. :) Are you planning on getting a SpreadSheet up?
Maury is from AZ :cat:
 
You can e-mail them for a free sample, it's like the size of a treat bag. It does contain pork so some kitties don't do well with pork. Also, I did not follow their instructions on the bag. They recommend stopping insulin and immediately switching out food. I knew that would not bode well for Maury so that's why I am transitioning him and still giving insulin. :) Are you planning on getting a SpreadSheet up?
Maury is from AZ :cat:
yeah i'd have a really big problem going from 9u twice a day to 0 regardless of the food. but that's the problem since i'ts so difficult to get him to test, i'm not sure I can do it safely
 
You can e-mail them for a free sample, it's like the size of a treat bag. It does contain pork so some kitties don't do well with pork. Also, I did not follow their instructions on the bag. They recommend stopping insulin and immediately switching out food. I knew that would not bode well for Maury so that's why I am transitioning him and still giving insulin. :) Are you planning on getting a SpreadSheet up?
Maury is from AZ :cat:
Where is Arizona? I missed that last line :)
I'll try a sample bag, that's a good idea. see if he likes it. course, all 3 cats have to like it or it won't work. but i'm anxious to try
 
You can e-mail them for a free sample, it's like the size of a treat bag. It does contain pork so some kitties don't do well with pork. Also, I did not follow their instructions on the bag. They recommend stopping insulin and immediately switching out food. I knew that would not bode well for Maury so that's why I am transitioning him and still giving insulin. :) Are you planning on getting a SpreadSheet up?
Maury is from AZ :cat:


FYI

Hello John,

A sample is on the way to you. Here is some extra info for you to look over while you wait.

Thank you for inquiring about Young Again products.
They sure were fast!
 
OK after a dramatic couple weeks I found something he will actually eat

do these numbers appear to be OK? it's wet food.

Crude Protein 12.0% min.
Crude Fat 1.8% min.
Crude Fiber 1.5% max.
Moisture 82.0% max.
Ash 3.0% max.
Taurine 0.05% min.

here are the numbers for the supposed weight management hills prescription diet

Crude Protein (min) 38.7%
Crude Fat (min) 9.1%
Crude Fiber (max) 7.8%
Calcium (min) 1.14%


I mean am i crazy or is the top set much better for him? it's wet and hills is dry of course
 
Top set for wet food, all my calculators end up with 0% carb. For most of my comparisons there is a slight difference so I give ranges. Either way I'd say that wet food is 0%-3%, which is still very good :).

The Hill's dry food is pretty bad 28% - 32% carb :nailbiting:. Are you having problems maintaining his weight? Most of us are trying to put weight back on our FD kitties.

Have you thought about the Spreadsheet yet? Are you still having issues with home testing, if so please please just ask :)
 
it's so sporadic getting blood from him I just haven't. it's been about 6 days since i got blood.

here's the deal. i was giving him half a teaspoon of tuna to get him to eat so I could give him a shot. we just moved here and he was unstable for a while. stressed etc. been 6 months now. he stoppexd getting excited about his wet food (fancy feast classic pate) so it was hard to get him to want to eat. i had some lean treats but man those aren't cheap.

For normal i feed him hills (actually all 3 cats eat it). but i've been trying to find other wet food to get him excited. For the time being he's liking the top one which is meow mix tender favorits tuna and shrimp (not pate).

it looks OK to me in nutrients and anything is better than tuna.

he's very hard to keep trim. he's a big cat anyway, but he's 21lbs. I've tried cutting back and he just cries almost 24/7. meaning all through the night. he'd climb on my shoulder while sleeping and meow LOUD. then when i was up he would stand under my feet meowing loud ALL DAY EVERY DAY.

i wanted to get him off free feeding but that was what I tried for 2 weeks and i couldn't take it anymore. I dind't even like being around him anymore he bugged me so strongly. it made me very sad.

I want to get him off dry food but it just isn't working. i complained about hills being $65 per bag, but honestly wet food is about the same if not more.

just struggling

on the good side he's been around 80-95 at 6 hrs post injection, and around 200 at insulin time.
 
Have you tried the ear warming tips? Warm ears bleed much much better and the more you test, their ears "learn to bleed" by developing more capillaries in them. Yes I remember the pending tuna junkie ;). What is his feeding schedule like now? How do you know those are his daily numbers if you haven't tested in 6 days? :confused: Not trying to be mean, just confused with that.
 
i know those are his numbers when i get to test him. they havce varied a few numbers but not very much.

It's not the heat thing, it's that he won't let me touch his ears AT ALL. in fact the problem is i have to pin him down to get it, and he hides from me for a day or two afterwards. he's never once allowed me to do it. I can't even get the ears in my hand to warm them up
 
Have you tried any desensitizing exercises? There are also some members who had to do a "kitty burrito" when starting testing. @Caitlin M @julie & punkin (ga)
I just watched videos on YouTube for how to do the kitty burrito when I needed to. It helps them (and you!) stay safe, as well as supposedly calms them a bit since they're tight and have pressure on them. My Pita still growled at me, but it allowed me to test quickly. I did however, need to lure him with a few treats before I wrapped.


I watched that one plus a few others! Hope that helps, even a little. Good luck!
 
I'm going to try this. let me expand on something though. Couple things. they both lead into why i struggle testing him.

1. I live alone (well functionally. I moved my mother in so I could care for her but she's 75 and has virtually no strength). if he struggles I don't have anyone to help. I can't use the scruff because i need both hands to get the blood. I have a technique where I timed how long the tester will stay open with a strip in before it times out. so i know how long i have to get the blood in it.
Then I set it down with strip in JUSt before starting. 9 times out of 10 he gets away before i get it.
2. Wilbur is a VERY big cat. he's overweight too but he's a gigantic cat. 21 pounds. he's easily double the size of my other two cats, and he's incredibly strong. If I pick him up to carry him to his cat carrier? i have to ask someone to come over and hold it because i can't carry him and hold his scruff tight enough to get control of him. I have to have someone guide him in. I have to get an extra large carrier just to fit him.

Now this might sound silly. I'm 6' tall and weigh 210 pounds and I'm in good shape. I still have a hard time controlling him.

I'm going to try the scarf technique listed above, however I can tell you, he will start to run away the moment I put the towel around him. So it all depends on whether I can keep enough control to get it

I've never seen a cat I couldn't hold with the scruff. but the combination of scar tissue from shots (i no longer give him shots in the neck) and his sheer mass, it's really hard to control

he's so long and tall he can't sit in my lap even if he tries to curl up because there isn't enough room.
 
I know it might be out of the question since he struggles but I only partially put the test strip in so I don't have to rush the poke. When I see the blood drop starting, I push the strip in. A lot of us are single cat parents too :). I hope the kitty-rrito helps you out. Maury used to be 18lbs, little overweight, but I never had much luck scruffing him for control either. Sometimes we would love to have a 3rd or 4th extra hand lol
 
Lol...I swear I'm going to make a video of what happens if I try to burrito Sam. Y'all would die laughing.

But John, there are ways to get your cat used to this, but until you are fully committed that this is necessary to care for him and help him find healing, it isn't going to work. I have an incredibly aggressive cat who has learned to cooperate in this process, but it took time and commitment on my part to get there. And I do it without holding him down or burrito-ing him or anything. We are more than happy to help, but it's up to you to decide that you will pursue it.
 
I think my problem is I'm too much of a wimp. believe me I'm committed, but it really bugs me to upset him, and then he'll hide from me for days.

But you are definitely right, i have to try this. i have to figure something out.
 
John - I wrote this very long description of how I started testing Sam for another member awhile back, so forgive the different name, etc. I need to head back to work though, so I'm short of time to edit it. Maybe something in here will be helpful for you, maybe not, but know that whatever it takes, we are all here to support you.

One thing to note is that at Sam's initial diagnosis, the vet told me to take him home and change his food first, then come back in two weeks to start insulin if needed. So the first couple of weeks I was supposed to be figuring out how to home test, but it wasn't critical yet.

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I think the first step is just to make a pleasant and consistent routine for both of you - without even worrying about the testing just yet. I test Sam on the kitchen counter so that he's up high. Like Jackie, he won't let me stand over him, so when he's up on the counter he feels safer. Then I went through the following progression. It took about two weeks. I did each step several times each day, and each step took as many days as I felt like it needed until he was comfortable. Before you do anything, stock up on a gazillion low-carb treats. You have to be quick to give treats for every little step, even if it's unsuccessful.

1. I would set him on the counter, give him a treat, and then walk away. No attempt at testing. This was repeated about ten times each day at regular intervals. I set an alarm on my phone to remind myself. I was also on vacation at the time, so that helped. If you can't be home that much, just do it as much as you can.

2. After a couple of days, he understood that that place on the counter was for treats. Then I started putting him on the counter, gently holding one of his ears for as long as he would let me without scaring him, give him a treat, and walk away. Sometimes I would give him a treat, and then hold his ear again for as long as he would let me, and give him another treat. I wanted him to associate having his ear held with something positive (the treats). I would also use my other hand to scratch his chin during this, which he loves. Repeat as many times each day as you can, with a few hours between each time.

3. I made a little felt heart and filled it with rice to use to warm up his ear. A lot of people just put some rice in the toe of a sock - I just wanted it to be cute. I would put it in the microwave for 30 seconds (the time depends on how much rice you're using - you want it to be nicely warm, but not too hot). I would put Sam on the counter, hold the rice heart on his ear for as long as he would let me while at the same time scratching his head, chin, kissing his head. Then when he indicated he didn't want that thing on his ear anymore, I would give him a treat and walk away. The reason I did this step was that warming the ear is a really really important step in getting a successful test. Their ears don't bleed very well in our chilly climate up here (Seattle), so this was an important step. If you live somewhere warm, you might not need to do this part. Repeat many times each day.

4. At this point, it had been almost two weeks of just creating a happy, relaxed routine for both of us...so onto the next step..... I took the lancet out of the clicker thing and just used the little plastic lancet by itself. He didn't like the clicking sound. So I did all of the things in step 3, but then added our first poke. I put a folded cotton square against the inside edge of his ear, and poked the outside edge of his ear. It made a little buffer so I didn't poke myself if it went all the way through his ear (which it usually did), and helped keep his ear in place for the poke. He shook his head and bit me, but he wanted the treat which he now strongly associated with this routine, so he sometimes he didn't run away. I gave him the treat, and we were done. Didn't get any blood, just getting him used to the poke.If I had been able to get a test at this point, I would have, but the poke most often lead to a hiss, a bite, and him bolting under the bed. One note is that the treat was left on the counter. I didn't give it to him under the bed. He had to understand that staying on the counter was part of the treat deal.

5. After a couple of days of that, i really wanted to get an actual test, so after I poked, I did hold him very gently to dissuade him from leaving, and squeezed his ear to get a little bead of blood. Our First Test! Hooray! If he had resisted my little "hug" I wouldn't have pushed it, but he was okay with it that day - and was rewarded with extra treats.

But seriously, it was almost three weeks from the time I decided I really wanted to home test until we had our first successful reading. You just can't rush a scared kitty.

One important note: You want to get lancets that are thick, not thin. I know that sounds more painful, and I resisted doing it for a long time, but I've found that one successful poke is so much better for Sam than several failed pokes with a thinner lancet. I used 26's. Once Jackie's ear learns to bleed, you can switch to the thinner ones (usually 30's). The more you test, the easier it is. Their ears really do bleed easier as time goes on. The first few weeks of tests are the hardest.

In the weeks that followed the first successful test, there were a LOT of failed tests. Either I just couldn't get his ear to bleed, or he would take off, or I didn't have the balancing act figured out between poke, squeeze, getting the test strip against the blood spot, etc. He still got a treat - even if I didn't get any blood. That consistent positive reinforcement is essential to making this work. It took awhile to get it all figured out. And I was on summer vacation (I was a teacher), so I had time to go through those routines several times each day. If you work all day, it's more realistic to maybe do two in the morning (right when you get up and right before you walk out the door), and maybe a couple more in the evening.

When I first started all of that, I posted in the forum constantly asking for advice and trying what was suggested. Every cat is different (you'll hear that a lot around here), so what works for one cat may be super helpful for another, or not helpful at all. Sometimes advice that I thought was dumb ended up being incredibly helpful (the rice sock for example).

Plus, I had to get over my own anxiety about hurting him, and about scaring him. The calmer I was, the better things went. When I was doubtful or nervous, it didn't work. Sometimes I would need to take a minute to breath deeply and calm myself first, so I could be a reassuring, confident presence for him. It really does make a difference.

Like I mentioned on your post in the forum, at this point he likes testing more than I do. He still winces when I poke his ear, but he loves the attention and the treats so much that he puts up with that quick second of discomfort.

Hopefully something in there will be helpful to you. Or at least knowing that you're not alone, and that this is a slow and sometimes difficult process for many of us. Those videos that show you how to test make it look so easy. I totally laughed when I first watched them because I knew there was NO chance it was going to work like that with my wild kitty.

Please know that we are all here for you and are more than happy to support you in any way we can.
 
See this is my problem. i actually did most of what you said, however, I can almost NEVER get blood the first poke (or 3) if I get to 3 he's gone. the other issue is keeping him from shaking his head when i do see blood, but someone here mentioned using my finger nail so that's not an issue now. Don't get me wrong, I had nowhere near the patience you did, but i did get him to where I could go to him and do it once. usually it's easiest when he's tired and just lays down in the middle of the living room so everyone has to step over him. But he's most relaxed then

I think my problem is the lancets. See, i'm diabetic too, so i just used mine. I don't use the clicker, i just stab it when the lancet, i've got hundreds of them. then just toss if each time. Course, i never use the buffer so i stab my finger almost every time.

I can ALWAYS get one poke out of him now. if I could get blood on that first poke it'd be no problem.

What guage is good?
 
26 or 28 gauge to start. Once his ears learn to bleed, you can use a thinner lancet, but it takes a little while. I still use the thick ones when Sam's in a mood because I'll get a big, quick bead of blood and he can run off quicker.
 
Maury tends to shake his head too, so I give him a couple nice ear scratches which usually gets the shake urge done so when I poke he doesn't shake the blood. Still happens once in a while though :)
 
he turns into what i call airplane head, where he points his ears straight back. the problem for me is, he's so hard to hold down, it takes both hands to poke,m then i have to hold him still while I pick up the tester then get the blood. So being able to put it on a nail helped a lot.

What I do after I'm done is smother him with hugs and scratches that he loves. but most times, within I'd say 3 seconds of the first poke, he's out of there, hiding somewhere.

I'll get some bigger ones like recommended. if I could get it in one poke I'd be THRILLED. I honestly think the only time I actually get it is when i hit that little skinny blood vessel on the edge of his ear
 
Yes, Maury does the airplane cat too sometimes.
I honestly think the only time I actually get it is when i hit that little skinny blood vessel on the edge of his ear

OHH! Poking the vein can be actually be painful so this could be a reason he hasn't associated it with positive hugs and scratches. Hopefully the bigger gauge lancets will help you get blood on the first poke and not poking the vein.
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Shhh....don't tell anyone....but a few times at the beginning, after too many failed tests in a row...I actually aimed for the vein. It does work, but does NOT help with building trust with your kitty. ;):eek::mad:
 
I actually get down on the floor on the bath mat in my bathroom with Teasel, door closed. This is hard for me because of lack of leg strength and balance. I put him between my legs facing forward away from me then raise my crossed lower legs to make "side walls" with my knees. That way I can pull my knees closer together for more restraint if needed.

I, too, live alone and manage all of this stuff on my own. On top of that my hands are extremely weak with very little grip strength and opposable thumbs that don't oppose very well. They're so weak that I can't push the syringe plunger with my thumb - I have to use my palm to do it. Many obstacles for me but what gets me through/around them is an abundance of patience, a willingness to problem solve and last, but not least, sheer pig headed determination.

Please don't interpret this as a rebuke. I merely want to give you an example of "where there's a will, there's a way".
 
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I need some help here since I forked this thread on accident I'll keep it here.

Hills Prescription Diet W/D shows these numbers

Crude Protein (min) 38.7%
Crude Fat (min) 9.1%
Crude Fiber (max) 7.8%
Calcium (min) 1.14%


How is that compared to this:

Crude Protein 30%
Crude Fat 17%
Crude Fiber 4.5%
Moisture 12%

I don't know what to look for in these two.
 
CRUD< I stopped getting reply notices. sorry i didn't respond
Shhh....don't tell anyone....but a few times at the beginning, after too many failed tests in a row...I actually aimed for the vein. It does work, but does NOT help with building trust with your kitty. ;):eek::mad:
Boy do I understand that
Yes, Maury does the airplane cat too sometimes.


OHH! Poking the vein can be actually be painful so this could be a reason he hasn't associated it with positive hugs and scratches. Hopefully the bigger gauge lancets will help you get blood on the first poke and not poking the vein.
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hrm my reply got lost. it's not taht I try to hit it, his head is moving constantly and it's very difficult to get a clean shot. if he'd just sit still i could get it, but that sweet spot is very close to that vein and it's easy to hit when the head is moving around like a bobble head

I actually get down on the floor on the bath mat in my bathroom with Teasel, door closed. This is hard for me because of lack of leg strength and balance. I put him between my legs facing forward away from me then raise my crossed lower legs to make "side walls" with my knees. That way I can pull my knees closer together for more restraint if needed.

I, too, live alone and manage all of this stuff on my own. On top of that my hands are extremely weak with very little grip strength and opposable thumbs that don't oppose very well. They're so weak that I can't push the syringe plunger with my thumb - I have to use my palm to do it. Many obstacles for me but what gets me through/around them is an abundance of patience, a willingness to problem solve and last, but not least, sheer pig headed determination.

Please don't interpret this as a rebuke. I merely want to give you an example of "where there's a will, there's a way".

I don't take offense, i understand, and it's not negative, it's encouraging. I'll get it, i never stop trying
 
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