I have a crazy vet..help!

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Every cat doesn't have every symptom. But Coco has enough that it makes it highly likely she is an acro kitty. Don't worry, we have several very experienced members here that have/had acro kitties - Julie and Wendy, in particular, are awesome.

Sienne lived in Chicago for quite a while and her recommendation for a vet is to be trusted - she is most particular when it comes to her kitties. She's a professional and holds other professionals to her standards.
I really don't like the way your vet treats you. Even if she doesn't approve of the way you are handling Coco's FD, it's your decision. I hope you can find a vet that is at least more open to listening to you. I had a problem with the vet that was treating Cinco at UC Davis (a teaching hospital!). She didn't approve of TR (don't think she really understood it) and thought I was going about things all wrong. Luckily, I was able to get Cinco in to see the department head, who is a well-respected endocrinologist who does a lot of research on diabetes in cats and dogs. He said I was doing a great job, and once he told the other vet that, she had no choice but to go along with me. I still changed vets, but it was very satisfactory. Your vet should be your partner in Coco's care, not someone you have to argue with. Just keep the internet out of the discussion with your future vet and, as others have said, say you've done some reasearch and found this info. Hopefully, you'll find someone that is open minded. We'll help you with what to share with the vet and how to approach it. You are not alone.

I have an appointment on Wednesday at Buffalo Grove Veterinary Specialty Center. It has an amazing rep & I've actually taken my past cat Bailey there when he was very ill & they were super compassionate & helpful..I am scheduled to see an internal medicine specialist. This won't be my "regular vet", but someone with more expertise. Hopefully they will be open minded & helpful. I am HOPING to get her to test for Acro & IAA. I hope they are willing to send the blood to Michigan State. If not, I feel like I'm back to square one..I won't mention finding info on the internet, but I will tell her I did research & am part of FDMB..that's ok , right? lol
 
I have an appointment on Wednesday at Buffalo Grove Veterinary Specialty Center. It has an amazing rep & I've actually taken my past cat Bailey there when he was very ill & they were super compassionate & helpful..I am scheduled to see an internal medicine specialist. This won't be my "regular vet", but someone with more expertise. Hopefully they will be open minded & helpful. I am HOPING to get her to test for Acro & IAA. I hope they are willing to send the blood to Michigan State. If not, I feel like I'm back to square one..I won't mention finding info on the internet, but I will tell her I did research & am part of FDMB..that's ok , right? lol
Best of luck finding a vet who will work with you. :)
 
What an awful situation. Hopefully the new vet can get the records from your old vet. And they provide you with a copy. No matter what vet you use, always ask for copies especially of labs and or tests. Even if it means paying for it. Smokey's original vet charged for copies. It was last minute notice and they knew he was moving out of state. I guess they wanted to get that last bill on him.
 
I have an appointment on Wednesday at Buffalo Grove Veterinary Specialty Center. It has an amazing rep & I've actually taken my past cat Bailey there when he was very ill & they were super compassionate & helpful..I am scheduled to see an internal medicine specialist. This won't be my "regular vet", but someone with more expertise. Hopefully they will be open minded & helpful. I am HOPING to get her to test for Acro & IAA. I hope they are willing to send the blood to Michigan State. If not, I feel like I'm back to square one..I won't mention finding info on the internet, but I will tell her I did research & am part of FDMB..that's ok , right? lol
I hope all goes well and they will perform the tests for you, fingers and paws crossed!:cat:
 
I just gave Adrian a summary of treatments in Chino's condo today.

Whether or not you mention FDMB to your vet, no harm in mention that you've been communicating with several other caregivers of high dose cats.:) And don't forget to ask them how many cats they've treated with high dose conditions.
absolutely, thank you...I'm actually kinda nervous about this appt. I just hope that she's a little more open minded & cutting edge than my last experience
 
It helps to go in well armed with knowledge. Maybe print off a couple of the more recent papers on acromegaly. I had Neko's SS on my iPad, including previous lab results on the labs tab. My IM vet was a fairly recent grad from Europe, where I think they know more about acromegaly due to the RVC.
 
My vet said we can test for acromegaly after I asked him about it. Pumpkin is on 8u am and 7u pm right now and still not there yet - but we are going slow. I called to see how much it costs and it is $260! My question is - is it worth testing if it costs that much? Does the treatment differ if we know he has that? He said it might affect his prognosis but not really his treatment. He is much happier and more active now than he was when we started this journey 4 months ago.

By the way - I switched vets after the last one broke his tooth. The new one is great and has me text him my blood readings.
 
My vet said we can test for acromegaly after I asked him about it. Pumpkin is on 8u am and 7u pm right now and still not there yet - but we are going slow. I called to see how much it costs and it is $260! My question is - is it worth testing if it costs that much? Does the treatment differ if we know he has that? He said it might affect his prognosis but not really his treatment. He is much happier and more active now than he was when we started this journey 4 months ago.

By the way - I switched vets after the last one broke his tooth. The new one is great and has me text him my blood readings.
I'd like to know this too before I go to the vet Wednesday. Is it worth the money for testing? What happens AFTER you get a positive reading...It doesn't seem like there is much difference in treatment...
 
There are a couple of reasons it would be good to know what is causing the resistance. First has to do with dosing. If antibodies are in the picture from IAA, then you need to be a little bit more aggressive going up the dosing scale and more cautious when kitty earns reductions. The antibodies can grab and release insulin at what seems like random and inopportune times. It's a pain, but the antibodies are supposed to be self limiting over time.

If it's acromegaly you are dealing with, whether by itself or in combo with IAA, you have to be aware of other conditions caused by the excess growth hormone. To name a few, first there can be thickening of the soft tissues in the throat. That can cause noisy breathing but more importantly, should be taken into consideration if kitty ever has to go under anesthesia. A smaller intubation tube may be needed. Another consideration is organ growth that can occur. Neko has some growth of the liver (not a big deal) but also the heart. The acromegaly was probably also partly responsible for her kidney damage and thickening of her bowels. The heart growth can be the most worrying of them all. It's call HCM or hypertrophic cardiomyopathy. Neko had a slightly enlarged heart for 3.5 years, before it became worth, but I think the SRT helped slow it down. HCM can be the cause of strokes. It's often called the silent killer as there are usually no obvious warning signs. But there are medications that can help if you know about the condition. Side note, I lost another cat to a HCM related stroke 2 days before his scheduled echocardiogram because we suspected HCM. :( There may be a heart murmur - but that's non uncommon in older cats. If I know someone has an acrocat and I see any signs that might be heart related, I strongly encourage they talk to the doctor to get the heart checked. Neko had an echocardiogram when she first started her heart murmor.

And one last example of why it's good to know if you have an acrocat - from personal experience. Neko had a sore on her lower gum - it looked like possibly gum disease or an infected tooth. Her vet was already to yank it out. I decided to go to the dental vet instead, because they would do extra monitoring on her heart. Dental vet knew about acromegaly and after X-ray figured out the sore was because there was some soft tissue growth on her lower gum, causing her canine tooth to rub against it. Instead of an extraction, he filed down the upper tooth so it no longer rubbed. I could go on, Neko had arthritis (bony growth) and we had to start buprenorphine regularly for that. Knowledge of acromegaly and what could happen means you know what to look for and can ask those with experience what is needed to help. Chances are your vet has very little experience with how to treat the possible conditions that can happen with acromegaly.

There is a third condition, Cushings, that can cause higher doses too, but it is less common than acromegaly and you'll usually see some skin issues or thinning fur to go with it. There are some treatments for Cusshings, and if a kitty has it, you have to be very careful about handling the skin.
 
Did Neko gain weight? I see that is one sign. Pumpkin has lost weight since we started this. He has always snored some and has big paws, but not abnormal. Any other outward signs? Would you spend the $260 right away or see if he can be regulated?
 
Neko didn't gain weight until she got better regulated. And even then she didn't get to as high a weight as when she was a younger cat. But I also had her acromegLy treated with SRT which helped limit the effect of the excess growth hormone. She never snored or had big paws. Each acrocats has different symptoms. Her belly wasn't that big either. There were more signs as time went on. She was acro at least 5.5 years.

I paid way more that $260'for the tests as shipping costs more from Canada. I wanted to know what I was dealing with and know if I could be more aggressive with dosing, which I did after. And I planned on treating so needed to know what to treat.
 
I'd like to know this too before I go to the vet Wednesday. Is it worth the money for testing? What happens AFTER you get a positive reading...It doesn't seem like there is much difference in treatment...

Let me know what your vet says Wednesday please. Good luck!
 
Neko didn't gain weight until she got better regulated. And even then she didn't get to as high a weight as when she was a younger cat. But I also had her acromegLy treated with SRT which helped limit the effect of the excess growth hormone. She never snored or had big paws. Each acrocats has different symptoms. Her belly wasn't that big either. There were more signs as time went on. She was acro at least 5.5 years.

I paid way more that $260'for the tests as shipping costs more from Canada. I wanted to know what I was dealing with and know if I could be more aggressive with dosing, which I did after. And I planned on treating so needed to know what to treat.

I will see. Part of my reluctance is that he HATES going to the vet. I might just wait until his annual in a few months. We've only been at this 4 months now and he is doing so much better.
 
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