? 12/25: MITTENS - Novolin N (TID) - Ketones Small - MDPS 223

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Dyana said:
I used to add the calories of the cans of food I put into the blender and then divide the total number of calories by the number of syringes I was able to fill up. I was using some pretty high calorie food, and pretty much got about 16 calories per syringe. I was trying for 220 calories per day for J.D., and Mittens probably needs more right now. When I was giving 16 calorie syringes, I needed to get about 14 syringes per day into J.D. to get him to the 220.
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Good info!
Dyana, did you use water when blending food for syringe feeding?
 
Sorry Dan & Heather, just trying to catch up here. When did you last feed Mittens? 9:00pm ? It would be good to get some more food into her now in case she is still dropping and while she can go a little lower we don't want her to go too low too fast.
 
MrWorfMen's Mom said:
Sorry Dan & Heather, just trying to catch up here. When did you last feed Mittens? 9:00pm ? It would be good to get some more food into her now in case she is still dropping and while she can go a little lower we don't want her to go too low too fast.
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Ok I fed her again, only one syringe this time, got done about 10 minutes ago. Is that enough? It was about 7.5mL of the same fancy feast. When should I check her BG again? The schedule we were following before at this point would have us check at +6 which would be in about 45 minutes.
 
I think you can stick with the schedule and check in 45 minutes. The food should slow or stabilize any drop and she's still well within a safe range and well into our goal range for her right now.
 
Thank you Heather. That's fine. You're doing great. The next shot will be due at 01:45am. So here is a little schedule for you to follow so we don't have any major lag time due to posting timing and getting alerts etc.

Test Mittens again at 00:45am.
Post reading on the board immediately after so if there is any issue giving shot or dose needs to be adjusted we'll have time to decide.
Feed Mittens 15ml from 00:50 to 01:15am
Give insulin 0.5u at 01:45am

Any questions, just holler! :D
 
I know it's not ideal but it would be a very good idea to bring the litter box into the room where you and Mittens spend most of your time together and keep her isolated from your other cat so that you can .

(If you don't have another litter tray you could try lining a suitably sized, shallow cardboard box with some bin liners and putting litter into that as a temporary box for your other kitty to use. If you do this put another bin bag underneath it just in case your kitty tears the bag used as a liner and there's any seepage.)

If you have the litter box where your other cat can't access it and you can keep an eye on it you'll be able to observe Mittens' litter box behaviour (e.g. straining to poop) and catch urine samples more easily. It will provide valuable diagnostic information to you.

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Nan and myself need to get some kip. Can someone provide cover for the next cycle?

I can do the one after that.
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@Dan&Heather, whenever you have a moment - how are you on supplies (e.g.. test strips and lancets, cat food, ketone strips)?

I believe I read that DCIN is sending some supplies (?), but if it hasn't arrived and you urgently need either and can get it at Walmart, it might be faster/easier for me to email a walmart e-gift card to you. I can't promise enough for everything, but I think that I can send enough for 100 strips and a box of lancets.

If this is something that would help you:

1. Do you have a Walmart close by?
2. If so, confirm either what meter you use or that you can actually buy the strips you need at a Walmart? I think you are using ReliOn Micro or Conform but not positive.
3. Do you have a printer?

If yes to all, click the picture of my orange kitty and select "Start a conversation". I would need your actual email address and the answer to those questions, and in the morning I will get a gift card to you by email. Not sure if it will come directly from Walmart, or if I have to email it to myself and then foward it to you. But one way or the other I believe you will be able to print it out and take it to Walmart with you to buy your supplies.

I cannot offer advice, but Whisper and I can try to help out with supplies. You both, and Mittens' aunts and uncles here on the board, are doing an *absolutely* stellar job. Mittens is very lucky to have you. :bighug:

Much love,
Sandi.
 
Mogs, I'll keep an eye on things for a few hours and if need be longer. You and Nan definitely need some kip! I'll catch a few cat naps as I did the other night if no one else is around to take a shift. :D
 
Ok, Dan checking in. Just checked her BG and its 229 about to feed her now. Sorry ill update this better in a minute, im not sure what hour were on for BG test and Heather is sleeping. Gonna get caught up on the thread after feeding.
 
@Dan&Heather -

Please can you post quick updates on litter box activity and behaviours.

Also to help monitor Mittens better it is advisable to make a note of the time of any pees and poops. (The delay between poops will give info on whether constipation is an issue, as will their consistency: stool quantity, hardness, size/shape, colour, smell.)

8/8/8 dosing is very challenging and the job you're doing is amazing. Try to grab rest as best you both can manage. I wish I was round the corner from you and could help out a bit with the practical stuff. :bighug:

I am glad to see Mittens' BGs in a better range.




Mogs
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Please let me know when you are finished feeding Mittens and we will decide exactly when shot can be given. We need to make sure we leave enough time between the food and the shot. :) Also exactly what time did you take the reading of 229.
 
Critter Mom said:
I know it's not ideal but it would be a very good idea to bring the litter box into the room where you and Mittens spend most of your time together and keep her isolated from your other cat so that you can .
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Ok i will try to find a suitable box for a makeshift litterbox, should be able to find one.

Sandi & Whisper said:
@Dan&Heather, whenever you have a moment - how are you on supplies (e.g.. test strips and lancets, cat food, ketone strips)?

I believe I read that DCIN is sending some supplies (?), but if it hasn't arrived and you urgently need either and can get it at Walmart, it might be faster/easier for me to email a walmart e-gift card to you. I can't promise enough for everything, but I think that I can send enough for 100 strips and a box of lancets.

If this is something that would help you:

1. Do you have a Walmart close by?
2. If so, confirm either what meter you use or that you can actually buy the strips you need at a Walmart? I think you are using ReliOn Micro or Conform but not positive.
3. Do you have a printer?

If yes to all, click the picture of my orange kitty and select "Start a conversation". I would need your actual email address and the answer to those questions, and in the morning I will get a gift card to you by email. Not sure if it will come directly from Walmart, or if I have to email it to myself and then foward it to you. But one way or the other I believe you will be able to print it out and take it to Walmart with you to buy your supplies.

I cannot offer advice, but Whisper and I can try to help out with supplies. You both, and Mittens' aunts and uncles here on the board, are doing an *absolutely* stellar job. Mittens is very lucky to have you. :bighug:

Much love,
Sandi.
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That is very kind of you and thank you very much :) but i think we can make it to payday.

Heres just a quick inventory of stuff we have for Mittens,

Food-
1 jar of Turkey and turkey broth baby food(Beach Nut Classics)
2 jars of chicken and chicken broth baby food(Beach Nut Classiics)
1 opened jar of Beef and beef broth baby food(Beach Nut Classics) - In the middle of feeding this to her now
2 cans of Fancy Feast Classic Tender beef and liver feast
2 cans of Fancy Feast Classic tender liver and chicken feast
2 cans of Fancy feast classic savory salmon feast
1 can each of Fancy feast classic seafood feast, tender beef feast, turkey & giblets feast
1 can of Fancy Feast Gravy lovers Beef feast in roasted beef flavor gravy, and 1 can of salmon & sole feast in seared salmon flavored gravy(both we will only use if her BG drops real low) Also have honey in stock for the same reason.

Supplies-
fresh 100 pack of Relion ultra thin lancets
fresh 50 pack of Relion confirm plus glucose test strips
Still have a good amout of Potassium pills
Still have some of the appetite stimulants(i believe we only gave her 1/8 of a pill so far)

Our meter were using is a Relion Micro
 
MrWorfMen's Mom said:
Also exactly what time did you take the reading of 229.
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It was 1:15am my time, almost an hour ago when BG was tested, then she ate 10mL of baby food right after she was tested, got done feeding around 1:30am. We gave her the .5u insulin about 10 minutes ago, right at 2:00 my time.
 
We finally got a urine sample from her a few minutes ago, we tested it with a strip and it came back pretty much the same as last time, It was between trace and small. But we feel like the color is closer match to trace.
 
First off Hallelujah on the ketone test being trace. Secondly you rock!

Now because Mittens PMPS was lower, I would suggest we test her at +1, a half hour sooner than usual.
You may need to do a bit of steering with food this cycle but this is all good because we need to get her BG down and try to keep her running in a good range for as long as possible. This is an excellent start. Please post the +1 reading. I'll check back then. :D
 
MrWorfMen's Mom said:
Sorry Dan. Don't mean to rush you but have you finished feeding Mittens? Just trying to keep the schedule as much as possible. :)
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Sorry, i get lost in the replies, theres so many people willing to help :) Yes i fed her at 1:15 about 1 hour 10 minutes ago, 10ml of beef and broth baby food.

MrWorfMen's Mom said:
First off Hallelujah on the ketone test being trace. Secondly you rock!

Now because Mittens PMPS was lower, I would suggest we test her at +1, a half hour sooner than usual.
You may need to do a bit of steering with food this cycle but this is all good because we need to get her BG down and try to keep her running in a good range for as long as possible. This is an excellent start. Please post the +1 reading. I'll check back then. :D
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Ok, i will test her at +1. Does that apply to the rest of the times too? For example instead of +2.5 should i test at +2 instead or just the first test after insulin?

I will post the +1 result in approximately a half hour.
 
Dan, because of that lower starting BG, we are going to have to play it by ear tonight. The reading at +1 will dictate when you next need to test. Im not goona lie....it may mean more testing tonight but believe me this is good for Mittens....just not so much for you! But it is progress. :D
 
MrWorfMen's Mom said:
Dan, because of that lower starting BG, we are going to have to play it by ear tonight. The reading at +1 will dictate when you next need to test. Im not goona lie....it may mean more testing tonight but believe me this is good for Mittens....just not so much for you! But it is progress. :D
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I got no problem with that, thanks for the help! I will post her +1 in 25 minutes.
 
Dan&Heather said:
We finally got a urine sample from her a few minutes ago, we tested it with a strip and it came back pretty much the same as last time, It was between trace and small. But we feel like the color is closer match to trace.
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I've done many a poop dance in my time, but this is my very first pee dance! :woot:

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I can sleep now.


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Ok Dan. No worries. That higher number is just food influence so let's do another test at +1.5 at which time I expect we'll start to see some drop.
 
MrWorfMen's Mom said:
Ok Dan. No worries. That higher number is just food influence so let's do another test at +1.5 at which time I expect we'll start to see some drop.
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Ok, should i feed her again you think? I got some food warming up in a syringe but can wait til after the +1.5 if you think that would be best?
 
HMMMMM! o_O I really thought we'd see more movement by now. When you post can you also provide the time you took the reading too please. Hard to figure out with just board info. Go ahead and feed Mittens. What are you feeding this time? If you can get 15 -20 ml into her that would be great. Let's test again at +2. Wish these cats would read the rule book!
 
MrWorfMen's Mom said:
HMMMMM! o_O I really thought we'd see more movement by now. When you post can you also provide the time you took the reading too please. Hard to figure out with just board info. Go ahead and feed Mittens. What are you feeding this time? If you can get 15 -20 ml into her that would be great. Let's test again at +2. Wish these cats would read the rule book!
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Ok i will go back and edit the post, i was gonna feed her more of the beef and broth baby food, can swap it out for some Fancy feast tho?
 
I don't think you need to. I might have suggested that if her BG had dropped but it hasn't. Save the FF for steering right now because she still might drop.
 
Ok I am totally gobsmacked. o_Oo_O Please try to syringe about 10ml of water into Mittens in the next hour and retest @ +4 unless Mittens displays any odd behaviour in which case test immediately. 99% sure this will not happen as she has a long way to drop so no panic but better to be forewarned just in case. Can you check the label on the baby food and provide the ingredient list please? I'm gonna grab a catnap and will check back in at +4 around 06:00 EST.
 
MrWorfMen's Mom said:
Ok I am totally gobsmacked. o_Oo_O Please try to syringe about 10ml of water into Mittens in the next hour and retest @ +4 unless Mittens displays any odd behaviour in which case test immediately. 99% sure this will not happen as she has a long way to drop so no panic but better to be forewarned just in case. Can you check the label on the baby food and provide the ingredient list please? I'm gonna grab a catnap and will check back in at +4 around 06:00 EST.
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Ok will get the water into her now, just fed her 10ml of the beef and broth baby food(only ingredients listed are beef and beef broth, same for the chicken and turkey).

Will post back at +4, i will keep an eye on her just incase and if i notice anything i will test immediately. Thanks again, yes get some sleep i think we should be good here for a few hours.
 
The baby food I get here in Canada has rice starch in it. I wondered if yours might too and that it might be having some influence but obviously that theory just went out the window.:rolleyes::banghead::arghh: be back about 0600. It's also possible Mittens is doing a little bounce from that lower number earlier today. I won't try to explain bounces now. We'll keep that for a bit later. You get some rest too.
 
Ok, the Gerber brand baby food we got has cornstarch in it, but we havent gave her any of that. Bought it by mistake, the little jars look nearly identical.
 
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