Elmo +11...168

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Beth 73

Beth 73

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Good morning ....took BG and got 136....immediately retested and got 156..... now what ??? Feeding in 25 minutes....shoot or not in 45 minutes from time of posting..
 
Can you try letting out a bigger drop from the o.25 u dose? You'd have to follow up with monitoring and food steering if needed.
OR you could skip this shot altogether to see how he does without insulin for today. Safest choice and I'd say he's OK wrt ketones because his BG has been low and you're able to test easily.

You skipped on 12/12 PM with no adverse effects.
 
Can you test Elmo again BEFORE deciding whether to give any insulin to see whether the food is starting to raise his numbers at all?

I'm concerned about the 136 test.

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Testing now...15 minutes past 7/7 shoot schedule.... does drop of blood size matter as far as BG? Monitor immediately took reading but I'm always squeamish when I get two different readings ...wonder about blood drop size
 
Beth 73 said:
Testing now...15 minutes past 7/7 shoot schedule.... does drop of blood size matter as far as BG? Monitor immediately took reading but I'm always squeamish when I get two different readings ...wonder about blood drop size
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If the meter reads successfully then you should be OK with the sample sizes, Beth.

The variance between the two readings taken closely together (136 and 156) is within tolerance range. Actually it's possible to test the very same blood sample twice and get two different readings!

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Critter Mom said:
If the meter reads successfully then you should be OK with the sample sizes, Beth.

The variance between the two readings taken closely together is within tolerance range. Actually it's possible totest the very same blood sample twice and get two different readings!

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Ain't that dandy:rolleyes:
 
In this type of situation you can see why +11 BG tests can be helpful - they can help give a better indication of whether BG is rising at time of PS test (though not 100% guaranteed).

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Kris & Teasel said:
Can you try letting out a bigger drop from the o.25 u dose? You'd have to follow up with monitoring and food steering if needed.
OR you could skip this shot altogether to see how he does without insulin for today. Safest choice and I'd say he's OK wrt ketones because his BG has been low and you're able to test easily.

You skipped on 12/12 PM with no adverse effects.
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Thank u, thank u, Kris :bighug::)
 
Critter Mom said:
In this type of situation you can see why +11 BG tests can be helpful - they can help give a better indication of whether BG is rising at time of PS test (though not 100% guaranteed).

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Thanks to you all encouraging me in that I will never not take the + 11 and then the +4 before bed at night...the more data the better the decision...
 
Ketone check. Assuming it's negative give Elmo his normal food and drink for the day (so we can see how he does on the daytime cycle without any insulin - helps to keep everything else as consistent as possible).

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Assuming dose is skipped and all else is OK I suggest snagging tests at +2 and +4. Post the results so we can see how things are going. :)

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I am tempted to approach people at my vets on the parking lot, like a drug dealer, and tell them to get on this Message Board....imagine the clients that use vetsulin and follow the MEAGER info given to them .....I shudder to think....sometimes when there I have spoken up in the waiting room but can tell most people are not confident enuf to do anything outside of what a doc says....if we had done that my mom might have died years ago....there is so much more to this world than flat earth allopathic medicine.........ok, off my soap box and done " preaching to the choir":rolleyes:o_O
 
Just checking in now. It looks like Elmo is on a mission Beth and it's a good mission! Very nice start to the day. I too will be watching to see what he does without insulin today!
 
MrWorfMen's Mom said:
Just checking in now. It looks like Elmo is on a mission Beth and it's a good mission! Very nice start to the day. I too will be watching to see what he does without insulin today!
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Can feel you all right here with me...it's as if I've known you all all of my life...truly, deeply profound and blessing beyond compare....praying for all your fur babies, that whatever you and they need is provided:bighug:
 
Beth 73 said:
I shudder to think....sometimes when there I have spoken up in the waiting room but can tell most people are not confident enuf to do anything outside of what a doc says....if we had done that my mom might have died years ago....there is so much more to this world than flat earth allopathic medicine.........ok, off my soap box and done " preaching to the choir"
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Right on Beth! As a retired R.N. I can't tell you the number of times I have seen or had to deal with the ego of doctors and a vet or two who seemed to think patients/clients should just follow their instructions blindly like lambs to the slaughter. I really wish the general public would learn that humans are not perfect, medical professionals are humans... not perfect gods, book learning is only good if the patient reads the manual and follows it, and every organism on this planet has it's own individual idiosyncrasies. You're not the only one with a
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Beth 73 said:
praying for all your fur babies, that whatever you and they need is provided:bighug:
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Thank you for this; my Noodlekins needs a bit of help right now. She has had dodgy stools and diarrhoea for a couple of months at this stage. :(

I've been s-l-o-w-l-y introducing yet another food over the last few days. If you could say a little prayer that this new food will help her I'd really appreciate it.

(((Beth)))

Needless to say, both you and Elmo are on my prayer list. :)


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Linda, amen and amen !!! Have been so proud of my family as I have ventured into the holistic/homeopathic that at first they teased me but with time end up calling me...after all I am the first born and the oldest;)..... I personally believe in receiving info from all reputable, proven arenas ....I am not anti allopathic but pro homeopathic as well....marvelous thing is my mind was opened to alternative meds because of our old bird dog years ago...didnt want to give up on him when he got cancer diagnosis but not prolong painful life either....started my journey, gave him 8 more healthy months and absolutely brought my sweet husband on board.....God bless old Hank who taught us much :bighug:......OH, and love ur soapbox emoji:)....
 
Critter Mom said:
Thank you for this; my Noodlekins needs a bit of help right now. She has had dodgy stools and diarrhoea for a couple of months at this stage. :(

I've been s-l-o-w-l-y introducing yet another food over the last few days. If you could say a little prayer that this new food will help her I'd really appreciate it.

(((Beth)))

Needless to say, both you and Elmo are on my prayer list. :)


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You and sweet Noodlekins are covered all the way from the cold ( but not yet snowy) Ozarks.....are you using Slippery Elm???? That is always our go to, for man and beast around here.
 
Beth 73 said:
I am tempted to approach people at my vets on the parking lot, like a drug dealer, and tell them to get on this Message Board....
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It is very rare that I venture out into the Big Scary World these days (agoraphobic - always need someone with me) but on the few occasions I've been in a supermarket since learning more about proper feline nutrition I've felt the urge to scream, "Don't buy that carp!" at people picking up dry cat food.

From the time I first adopted my first two rescues my instinct was to feed cats wet food and I asked the vet responsible for their care at the time about what was best to feed. He told me that dry food was much, much better for them so I innocently trusted him and followed his advice. With the exception of Lúnasa's current dietary woes* any sicknesses my cats developed over the years could be directly attributable to their having received a dry diet. I feel angrier at myself than at the vets; I should not have trusted them. Instead I should have done my own research. I'll never get over the feeling of having failed them. (Two of them lost their lives - very young - to bad food and bad vets, and I nearly lost Saoirse to diabetes for the same reasons. I had a near miss with another (obstructed urethra) but I had a great vet at the time and he successfully catheterized Psycho.) :(


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* It's possible that Lúnasa's GI sensitivity may have been influenced by dry diet since she was also fed kibble for years. She has been eating low carb, wet food since the time I discovered FDMB and catinfo.org but there's no way of knowing whether damage may have been done by that time which then left her vulnerable to the issues she's having now. :(

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Beth 73 said:
are you using Slippery Elm????
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I did try giving her a couple of doses but it made matters worse at that time. Similar story when I tried giving her pumpkin. It's so frustrating when tried and tested treatments don't work for the individual cat. :(

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Going to do control test on meter, just for info/sanity sake
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Test fell within correct control numbers so meter is good....let him have a snack as he was nosing around for food.....very alert, moving around. Don't think Elmo got the memo that today is my day kinda off!
 
Critter Mom said:
It is very rare that I venture out into the Big Scary World these days (agoraphobic - always need someone with me) but on the few occasions I've been in a supermarket since learning more about proper feline nutrition I've felt the urge to scream, "Don't buy that carp!" at people picking up dry cat food.

From the time I first adopted my first two rescues my instinct was to feed cats wet food and I asked the vet responsible for their care at the time about what was best to feed. He told me that dry food was much, much better for them so I innocently trusted him and followed his advice. With the exception of Lúnasa's current dietary woes* any sicknesses my cats developed over the years could be directly attributable to their having received a dry diet. I feel angrier at myself than at the vets; I should not have trusted them. Instead I should have done my own research. I'll never get over the feeling of having failed them. (Two of them lost their lives - very young - to bad food and bad vets, and I nearly lost Saoirse to diabetes for the same reasons. I had a near miss with another (obstructed urethra) but I had a great vet at the time and he successfully catheterized Psycho.) :(


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* It's possible that Lúnasa's GI sensitivity may have been influenced by dry diet since she was also fed kibble for years. She has been eating low carb, wet food since the time I FDMB and catinfo.org but there's no way of knowing whether damage may have been done by that time which then left her vulnerable to the issues she's having now. :(

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Oh, Mogs...that all breaks my heart. You cannot blame yourself for what you did not know! It's not like you knew better but chose not to. We have all followed ,trusted the vet...after all they are trained to know what we should do for our fur babies. I pray for you to be able to forgive yourself and stop carrying the weight of blame. I hate guilt, it is a life sucking, health stealing force. Praying for you to be able to lay it down and refuse it every time it tries to dance across your mind.I watch you on this Board,helping,consoling,being there for all of us while dealing with your own stuff as well.Makes me in further awe of you! You are hard wired to be a helper and encourager and so deserve freedom from guilt !!!! That (and good poops for Noodles) is going to be my concentrated prayer for you !!!!
 
Beth 73 said:
I hate guilt, it is a life sucking, health stealing force.
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I come from an Irish Catholic family. People of the Jewish faith may have invented guilt but our lot have elevated it to an artform. :rolleyes:

Beth 73 said:
I watch you on this Board,helping,consoling,being there for all of us
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I now try to do what I can to help spare others from what happened to me and my babies ... :( ((Saoirse, Danú, Tara, Psycho)) I wouldn't wish such illness, premature loss, and associated grief on anyone. All I ever wanted to do was to love and care for them and to give them a long, happy and healthy life ...

I have lost count of the number of times I apologised to Saoirse for harming her because I gave her the wrong food; that it was inadvertent doesn't help assuage the sadness and regret. :( There have been times when I happily went hungry myself to ensure that I could provide my little ones with what I believed to be 'the best' food available. It was soul-shrivelling to discover that I gave them food that was bad for them and which had made them sick. :(

Beth 73 said:
That (and good poops for Noodles) is going to be my concentrated prayer for you !!!!
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Thank you, Beth; from the heart.

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MrWorfMen's Mom said:
Right on Beth! As a retired R.N. I can't tell you the number of times I have seen or had to deal with the ego of doctors and a vet or two who seemed to think patients/clients should just follow their instructions blindly like lambs to the slaughter. I really wish the general public would learn that humans are not perfect, medical professionals are humans... not perfect gods, book learning is only good if the patient reads the manual and follows it, and every organism on this planet has it's own individual idiosyncrasies. You're not the only one with a View attachment 24864 . ;)
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Don't even get me started! The stories I could tell ...
 
Kris & Teasel said:
Not writing much because I'm away from home on my iPad and am not very good on the touch screen keyboard.:)
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Tablets are pants when it comes to any significant volume of text entry. A stylus can make it a little less difficult to enter text - but it takes fore-v-e-r! :rolleyes:


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Kris, Mogs, Linda....how I long to give back to the three of you ( along with Chris and China , MaryAnn , several others who are consistently on this journey with Elmo and I). All I can think to offer in addition to prayers is my limited but long time use of homeopathy as instructed by a DVM who got tired of running out of solutions in her practice and went hunting for answers outside the traditional vet community. I have consulted with her for years by phone and have the basics down. Would also encourage you to check out two books: Natural Health for Dogs and Cats by Dr Richard Pitcairn and The Natural Cat byAnitra Frazier( a real crazy cat lady)..... knowing you 3 you probably already know of these things but thot I'd share from my meager knowledge.
 
Kris & Teasel said:
Not writing much because I'm away from home on my iPad and am not very good on the touch screen keyboard.:)
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Amen and amen !!! Our desk top is old but it's where I have to painfully fill in the SS...my iPad is my main go to but agree with the touch screen...ahhhhhhhh:banghead::banghead::banghead:
 
If you could have heard the expletives streaming out of my mouth last March when I was away and had to use texting from my phone and email with my tablet to keep Menace safe and sound and my pet sitter sane, you'd all blush big time! :woot:
 
Beth 73 said:
how I long to give back to the three of you ( along with Chris and China , MaryAnn , several others who are consistently on this journey with Elmo and I).
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That is so sweet Beth and thank you for those book suggestions. I think I can speak for all of us when I say our payback is seeing the kitties improving and thriving and watching their pet parents go from scared newbies to confident caregivers. All we ask around here is that you give back to others by paying it forward when you are able and you've already been doing that by welcoming newcomers and offering support where you can. :bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug:
 
MrWorfMen's Mom said:
If you could have heard the expletives streaming out of my mouth last March when I was away and had to use texting from my phone and email with my tablet to keep Menace safe and sound and my pet sitter sane, you'd all blush big time! :woot:
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Ahhhhhh, Linda, hearing that makes my stomach hurt....I have very limited patience with technology...I get mad at it pretty quickly :mad:
 
MrWorfMen's Mom said:
That is so sweet Beth and thank you for those book suggestions. I think I can speak for all of us when I say our payback is seeing the kitties improving and thriving and watching their pet parents go from scared newbies to confident caregivers. All we ask around here is that you give back to others by paying it forward when you are able and you've already been doing that by welcoming newcomers and offering support where you can. :bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug:
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Thank you, Linda :bighug:... the debt is beyond payment , especially to the three of you, Chrisand China, Tuxedo mom....
 
Beth, I worked in technology and loved it but now have limited patience with it. I seriously long for the olden days before WINDOWS! I like to control what is happening and too much has been taken over such that my biggest problems aren't technical so much as how to shut "the babysitters" in the software off. Give me plain old DOS anyday! :mad:
 
MrWorfMen's Mom said:
Beth, I worked in technology and loved it but now have limited patience with it. I seriously long for the olden days before WINDOWS! I like to control what is happening and too much has been taken over such that my biggest problems aren't technical so much as how to shut "the babysitters" in the software off. Give me plain old DOS anyday! :mad:
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Oh, Linda, I taught first grade for years and had UNENDING patience with those little 5 and 6 year old toots compared to next to zero with technology ( and most adults :eek:.....just say in')
 
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