12-12 Small Kitty - amps 308 pmps 421 +3 376 +5.5 274 - Aborded landing

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Good morning all,

The brothers had the occasion yesterday to go play in the little snow cover but
didn't do it all night long. Was only minus 23F but it was cold enough so they
will come back and forth to the house. One trip just in time for a +3 356 :blackeye:

Small Kitty is really on a slow approach, no fast landing with the reduced dose..
Guess he's still adapting himself to the new dose and will become used to it
just in a few days. I hope he will because this pass in high altitude is time
of no repair. What's good about slow approaches is that there is no hard landing and
this is what the objective was, come back on the ground gently not blowing
up any tires. Might take some time if at all. Hope it will.

Wish you have all you need to be happy, on that,
will wish you a very good Monday

Sébastien

Yesterday
 
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You are almost yellow Small Kitty. Please take off your pink suit!

I hope you have a good day Sebastien.
 
TR is the only validated study using Lantus and Levemir. SLGS was developed by lay persons for those who cannot test much, feed dry food or are not comfortable with lower numbers. By reducing at a higher number it does give you a little more room from a safety perspective. Of course we all know they are cats and do what they want regardless of what protocol you use. Hope that answers your question.

SK is could still be bouncing from the 90 or he's looking at a failed reduction. On SLGS you hold the dose for 7 days regardless. On TR you can bring the dose back up earlier.
 
Now that SK's back in higher numbers on this dose, I'm glad to see you are testing for ketones. His bounce should be over and it looks like too little insulin, but we'll see what the week says.
Doodles & Karen said:
SLGS was developed by lay persons for those who cannot test much, feed dry food or are not comfortable with lower numbers.
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Not quite right. SLGS was developed on FDMB by members here and was the first and only method used, before the Tight Regulation protocol was developed and published. SLGS has lots of experience behind it. TR is a more aggressive method and studies have shown that the sooner you get a cat regulated in good numbers, the greater the chance of remission. Personally I liked TR because there was science behind it, and I'm a self admitted geek with a science background. However, the more aggressive dosing is not suitable for all beans or cats. For those situations, SLGS is an alternative approach and the only one that should be followed if kitty is eating dry food.
 
In my case SLGS is the best method that I adjust by the best knowledge I have of Small Kitty's
reaction to xyz doses. One day an old timer of fdmb said that the protocol is a
''thinking man'' protocol with guide lines but also lot's of your own knowledge of your cat.

Small Kitty has a strong reaction to low numbers with costly bounces and is also
at risk of getting to low when he decide to :). I absolutely don't know where he goes
while I'm at the office and I prefer that he stay in a safe zone. It's not because I don't
want Small Kitty to get into lower numbers, but to keep him safe and away from bounces.

Made lots of reading (scientific) on bounces and this is the only solution, getting a
bouncy cat just low enough so he would not bounce.

Remember the specific words :

''Many caregivers are increasing doses when they see high numbers when what should
be done is reducing. By increasing they are making a bad situation even worst''.

Small Kitty has been recovering from bounce quite quickly, but another post said that
bounces are almost as damaging as high numbers. The author was saying that the liver
was getting a sudden and hard request for glucose hitting the organs in the process.

Is this close to what treating FD well is ?
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I have seen many people try to get bouncy cats to try to stop bouncing by keeping them high enough that they don't bounce. I haven't seen it work yet in the almost 5 years I've been on the board. What ends up is a cat that is high most of the time and glucose toxicity sets in, meaning you have to go even higher in dose to get to good numbers. What I have seen work to slow the bouncing is getting kitty's liver used to lower numbers. However, I agree that you have to do what you think is safe to do. Safety is the most important thing.

Don't worry about bounces, all cats get them. I would be interested in seeing the post that says bounces are hard on them, and where the data came to verify that statement. I've seen cats live to age 20 on insulin and still bouncing.Neko bounced for 5 years and that wasn't what took her life. Her liver was one of the few healthy organs she had.
 
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I have seen many people try to get bouncy cats to try to stop bouncing by keeping them high enough that they don't bounce. I haven't seen it work yet in the almost 5 years I've been on the board. What ends up is a cat that is high most of the time and glucose toxicity sets in, meaning you have to go even higher in dose to get to good numbers. What I have seen work to slow the bouncing is getting kitty's liver used to lower numbers. However, I agree that you have to do what you think is safe to do. Safety is the most important thing.

Don't worry about bounces, all cats get them. I would be interested in seeing the post that says bounces are hard on them, and where the data came to verify that statement. I've seen cats live to age 20 on insulin and still bouncing.Neko bounced for 5 years and that wasn't what took her life. Her liver was one of the few healthy organs she had.
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Thank you so much for your reply Wendy, was starting to brainstorm everything trying to
understand what would be the best for Small Kitty (Lower dose with no bounce or higher
dose with roller coaster rides). And you're right, Small Kitty is getting back into glucose
toxicity :(.

Now, don't want to put anyone in trouble but here is is the post that made me go to the
low bounce dose :

http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/what-is-a-bounce.108796/

''The spikes are almost as bad for the cat's long term health as sustained high BG levels, so they should be stopped. Besides the other things damaged by high blood glucose, the poor old liver gets extra stress, and the long-suffering kidneys are thrown into overdrive again.''

Did multiple reading the day before decrease, there was other data pointing in similar direction.

You're so nice Wendy, THANKS THANKS THANKS !!!!

Cause this dose is not strong enough... but switching back to previous
dose might be too fast.. and would be an admission that I did a mistake,
witch I don't like...
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Wait the 7 days that SLGS calls for, gather data, and then decide what to do. FD is all about learning from data and experience what is best for SK.

As for the post you quoted - that person was only here for 4 months and one of the lucky ones who's cat went off insulin very quickly due to diet change. Not someone I would call very experienced. And she was talking about Symogyi, not bounces. Instead you might want to look at this post, which includes a link to a paper showing that true Symogyi is very rare in cats. Especially those who are increased carefully with proper test data.
 
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