11/20 Sootie amps244, +3.5/184, +6.5/165, +9.5/164, pmps/188, +3/129

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Good morning, sunny but chilly New England morning so far. Hoping all enjoying a gentle Sunday.

Started Sootie's curve this morning, doing at 3 hour intervals bc having to go out and do errands in between and do azalea eye drops and keep her eaten g in between. Her no food no water fast begins at midnight just in case. And we have to leave house by 8am.

Sootie's amps 244.:banghead: +3.5@184:confused:, but she is eating. I didn't get in any +pm Bg's last night but she had wet fud snack I think around 3-4am.

Did find spirulina and carrot juice (organic bottled not fresh) and a fresh bottle of probiotics (no maltodextrin etc) this morning at one trek to a health food coop about 1/2 hour from here. Came home to to Sootie's +3 (+3.5) and azalea's drops, both getting fresh food. Heading out again to another Health food store that's about 45 minutes away) to get fresh tube of trauneel ointment (( @Bobbie And Bubba )) because hsvent found the one I have (ya know when ya reorganize things and probably should have left well enough alone?:facepalm:) and even if I found it, I know it's several years old. Better to go with a fresh tube. Hoping to get back for Sootie's +6 curve.
Love hugs and thanks :bighug::bighug::bighug:
 
I have the same problem when I reorganize!;) drives me nuts!!
Remember, dosing is based on the nadir, not so much the preshot numbers, so tho they be higher than you want what's important is how low does she go! Methinks there's a limbo ditty in there!:):bighug:
Good luck tomorrow with Azaleas ophthal visit, will be keeping her in my thoughts amend wrapped in healing energy.
Hope your forays to the shops were productive!!:bighug:
 
Nice job coming down safely and at a good pace, Sootie, but why get up that high in the first place? Let's try for a blue PMPS tonight, 'k? ;)

I do the same thing when I reorganize. I always think I'm putting things in a logical place, but the logic is gone the next time I need to use it! :p

I'm glad you found my post last night helpful. I hope you don't need any of that info, but just I'm happy to help in any way. You were right - looking for pictures did bring a few tears, but it was nice to see my Cinco through the years and remember that he was once a happy, sighted cat. Sending load of vines in advance for Azalea. :bighug:
 
Thank you Les and Tricia
Glad I'm not only one who :facepalm: about "now, where did i put it?"

Yes, revisiting photos, and just about anything that reminds us of our GA 's such a mixed blessing. Tears of loss and tears of joyous memories. Bo had some t-shirts that he wore after his seasonal lion cuts. Unlike Cinco, he really looked pretty goofy in a sweet way. I haven't had the heart to put them away or decide what to do with them.

Back home a few minutes ago and did Sootie's +6.5 @ 165. Still :cool: wahoo. Ate a little, too.

Next to do are Azalea's next round of drops and hoping she'll eat more.

Went to the health food store (driving on i-95 on a Sunday definitely not a bucket list item), found some stuff and discovered that trauneel ointment now different labeling than when I bought mine (I must be dating myself and the old tube)....and that the co-op indeed had it but didn't recognize it either!

Well, all the driving today...let's chalk up to worry displacement activity....

Time for a nap after azalea's drops and her snack...zzzzzz.

Hugs and hearts,
Sina
 

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Initially local vet thought to be puncture from a claw (green dye exam) but unsure at the time if lens had been punctured. Antibiotic and optimend eye drops. Then new blood vessels forming and local vet switched to steroid drops that started downward spiral. Then he thought lens had been punctured, then was thought maybe scar tissue or a mass forming near lens. Then went to OV (eye specialist) whose assessment was glaucoma, luxated (unhinged) lens pressing against cornea , infected ulcerated cornea, and risk of Feline Ocular Sarcoma (though latter not confirmed or ruled out by exam). Both vets recommending eye removal (I don't remember how to spell the medical name of the procedure).
Even though Azalea seems to have declined in recent days (dizzy, wobbly, etc), her eye looks more clear, less cloudy and gunky this afternoon than even a couple of days ago. It is extremely uncomfortable for her, a strain that's for sure. And as if she's submerged, depressed. I'm perplexed, worried and scared.
 
HWright said:
Initially local vet thought to be puncture from a claw (green dye exam) but unsure at the time if lens had been punctured. Antibiotic and optimend eye drops. Then new blood vessels forming and local vet switched to steroid drops that started downward spiral. Then he thought lens had been punctured, then was thought maybe scar tissue or a mass forming near lens. Then went to OV (eye specialist) whose assessment was glaucoma, luxated (unhinged) lens pressing against cornea , infected ulcerated cornea, and risk of Feline Ocular Sarcoma (though latter not confirmed or ruled out by exam). Both vets recommending eye removal (I don't remember how to spell the medical name of the procedure).
Even though Azalea seems to have declined in recent days (dizzy, wobbly, etc), her eye looks more clear, less cloudy and gunky this afternoon than even a couple of days ago. It is extremely uncomfortable for her, a strain that's for sure. And as if she's submerged, depressed. I'm perplexed, worried and scared.
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My heart is in my throat for you and Azalea. Glaucoma is very painful and could account for her not eating and unfortunately removal is the only remedy. And if she has some kind of cancer of the eye the only way it's confirmed is with removal and biopsy. Poor baby. The eye specialist are pretty adept at DX and ours was right on with the kind of cancer that Bubba's was. Fortunately, if cancer reappears after the enucleation (removal) it is years later so at the very least you will be buying her some time. And that said, the cancer might never come back.

Sina, I am sending lots of support vines to you and Azalea. Hugs and more hugs. :bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug:
 
Thank you Bobbie. I vascillate between prayers and hope that she is recovering (yet with worry about possibilityof or potential for ocular sarcoma) and seeing/feeling that the strain and pain of the eye is wearing Azalea down. And if removal best, safest option (provided she is surgical candidate) the longer she struggles with it, the less strong she will be for safe surgery and recovery. Rock and hard place.

On another note: Sootie's +9.5 was 164. :cool: She is not happy about doing the curve...but I remind her that each one we do is on the road to one less today.
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Poor little girl, cornea still looks very cloudy, though this picture is clearer, there is a lot of distortion and scarring and swelling, I cant see the pupil beneath all the scarring, but it's unclear if it's just due to the angle of the picture or if there is something else going on.
Bobbie is right if the she is feeling pain from the eye it may well put her off her fuds.
I know it's probably a very difficult decision to make for her, but I would let the specialist guide you with that decision.
FWIW I would say that for a human facing the same set of problems with the eye that she is having, enucleation would be the suggested course of treatment. Even without the sarcoma it would be a valid option given that the eye has no sight, and the pressures are going to be difficult to control with the dislocated lens, in some instances the lens might be removed to relieve the pressure since that is probably what is causing the high IOP's, but with the cornea in the state that it is in it is more than likely that is not a viable option.
Sending you prayers and vines :bighug::bighug::bighug:
 
Gill & George said:
Poor little girl, cornea still looks very cloudy, though this picture is clearer, there is a lot of distortion and scarring and swelling, I cant see the pupil beneath all the scarring, but it's unclear if it's just due to the angle of the picture or if there is something else going on.
Bobbie is right if the she is feeling pain from the eye it may well put her off her fuds.
I know it's probably a very difficult decision to make for her, but I would let the specialist guide you with that decision.
FWIW I would say that for a human facing the same set of problems with the eye that she is having, enucleation would be the suggested course of treatment. Even without the sarcoma it would be a valid option given that the eye has no sight, and the pressures are going to be difficult to control with the dislocated lens, in some instances the lens might be removed to relieve the pressure since that is probably what is causing the high IOP's, but with the cornea in the state that it is in it is more than likely that is not a viable option.
Sending you prayers and vines :bighug::bighug::bighug:
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Thank you, Gill. Truly appreciate your experience and guidance. Needless to say, I'm trying to stay focused with tears welling with love and worry. Tomorrow will be what it will be. ❤️
 
HWright said:
Thank you, Gill. Truly appreciate your experience and guidance. Needless to say, I'm trying to stay focused with tears welling with love and worry. Tomorrow will be what it will be. ❤️
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Sending you lots of hugs, support and strength! I so know what you are going through. To get her out of pain is the best option even if it means that she loses an eye. The amazing thing is that the other eye compensates and she only loses 40% of her sight. Pretty cool, huh?
 
Ah, Sootie's curve continues with pmps as a +11.5 = 188. :cool: & fud ok appy. Shot skinny 0.25unir 7::40pm and hope not a fur shot :stop: This Bean kinda running on bleary eyed clumsy empty today...:banghead:
Hugs and hearts and thanks to all for all,
Sina, Sootie and her tribe ❤️
 
HWright said:
Ah, Sootie's curve continues with pmps as a +11.5 = 188. :cool: & fud ok appy. Shot skinny 0.25unir 7::40pm and hope not a fur shot :stop: This Bean kinda running on bleary eyed clumsy empty today...:banghead:
Hugs and hearts and thanks to all for all,
Sina, Sootie and her tribe ❤️
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Please keep us posted after Azalea's visit tomorrow. :bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug:
 
I have a really dumb question: when doing curve (I'm doing every 3 hours) do I base the nighttime +3's from the cycle started in am or from the pm shot time (the pmps tonight was in between and more like +11.5 and was actually an hour early to be the next +3)?
 
Thanks, Bobbie!
From Amps to pre-pmps I did 4 tests, the pmps was an hour early for a +3 (so I guess that technically would be a spot test as well as a Pmps? So.....I'd need to do two more +3's, at ca 10:30 pm and 1:30am...based on pmps time. So, I should be able to get about 3-4 hours sleep (sorry, Soots, you might not get a 3am snack) before Sootie's amps, their meals, Sootie's am shot done before Azalea and I to head out by 8am for the 9;30qm appointment! Oh my....
 
You post makes my mind spin!! Yikes...
I have come to peace with the eventual removal of civvie Jetts eye due to melanoma. Hearing from Bobbie and Tricia really helped me with getting to that point. The eventuality with Jett is not a maybe, it will happen. It was not a peace without tears so I totally send empathy hugs to you right now? :bighug::bighug::bighug: I do think that the eye is impacting Azalea, I can only imagine having an eye so sore. I will send vines that a remedy that brings her relief is in the making tomorrow :bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug:
Work that juice gently tonite Sootie, your mama Bean has important things to do and needs a clear head...hugs aplenty Sina:bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug:
 
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You post makes my mind spin!! Yikes...
I have come to peace with the eventual removal of civvie Jetts eye due to melanoma. Hearing from Bobbie and Tricia really helped me with getting to that point. The eventuality with Jett is not a maybe, it will happen. It was not a peace without tears so I totally send empathy hugs to you right now? :bighug::bighug::bighug: I do think that the eye is impacting Azalea, I can only imagine having an eye so sore. I will send vines that a remedy that brings her relief is in the making tomorrow :bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug:
Work that juice gently tonite Sootie, your mama Bean has important things to do and needs a clear head...hugs aplenty Sina:bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug:
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Yes, Les, my head is spinning and overtired, not a good place to be, particularly under the circumstances. Deep breaths and hear the wisdom of friends, good OV, the universe and sweet Azalea herself. Yes, acceptance.....
With heart hugs, prayers and hugs for civvie Jett, thank you all, and til the morrow,:bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug:
Sina

P.s. Sootie wants Gussie to know she hopes Gussie is still saving a surfboard for her; she is visualizing dancing along the beach and surfing soon!
 
Sootie's curve update: pm +3@129.
Guess wasn't a fur shot after all?!

Time for for Azalea eye drops then Removing her food and water at midnight, One more +3 Sootie curve test (no dives please!) then let's hope a few hours nappy time for this bean.

Sweet dreams and with thanks again from us all here,
Sina
 
Sina, if you don't mind, I'm going to share a bit more of Cinco's story, just in case it helps you and maybe @Gussie's mom, too.

When we first realized he was blind (and it took a couple of visits to the vet to get an official confirmation), we took him to the OV (my abbreviation for Ophthalmologist Veterinarian). He diagnosed glaucoma and tested him for Bartonella, which came back very strongly positive (his description). He also said Cinco had Herpes which was causing irritation in both eyes and there appeared to be a mass behind the right eye. After watching the mass for a couple of months, he removed the right eye and the mass was biopsied. A diagnosis of ocular lymphoma was confirmed. The OV was pretty confident that he got all of the mass, so after having Cinco examined by an oncologist, we made the decision not to do chemo. After he recovered from the surgery, his BGs stabilized and I was able to get him regulated again. I was afraid the chemo would throw him out of regulation, and the oncologist said it was more of a precaution than a necessary treatment.

Unfortunately, Cinco kept having Herpes flare ups in his left eye, and the pressure didn't seem to want to stay under control, so he lost regulation anyway. He was on 5 or 6 different eye drops and was miserable, so after about 6 months I asked the OV if taking out the eye would solve all this. He was surprised I asked, but said yes, it would. He said most people wouldn't want to do it. I thought that was silly - he already had one eye removed, and he couldn't see out of this one anyway, so why keep it and put him through all that misery? Once the eye was out and incision healed, he was so much more comfortable and life was easier for all of us! Now the bad news: about a year later we noticed a bump on his forehead, between his eyes, and a visit to the oncologist confirmed the lymphoma was back. He had the mass removed and went through radiation therapy, after which he was declared in remission, but about six months later he started bleeding from the nose, and they felt that the lymphoma had returned again. We started chemo, but he just got sicker, and soon I had to keep the promise I had made to him when we first took him into our home: Once we got him over DKA, I had promised I would not ever let him suffer. So I had to set him free. It's a sad ending, but the point to the story is that removing his eyes bought him quality time with us, and I would do it all over again in a heartbeat. I hope this helps you.

Sending lots of good vetty vines for Azalea and :bighug:s for the worried, tired bean!
 
Tricia Cinco(GA) & Harvey said:
Sina, if you don't mind, I'm going to share a bit more of Cinco's story, just in case it helps you and maybe @Gussie's mom, too.

When we first realized he was blind (and it took a couple of visits to the vet to get an official confirmation), we took him to the OV (my abbreviation for Ophthalmologist Veterinarian). He diagnosed glaucoma and tested him for Bartonella, which came back very strongly positive (his description). He also said Cinco had Herpes which was causing irritation in both eyes and there appeared to be a mass behind the right eye. After watching the mass for a couple of months, he removed the right eye and the mass was biopsied. A diagnosis of ocular lymphoma was confirmed. The OV was pretty confident that he got all of the mass, so after having Cinco examined by an oncologist, we made the decision not to do chemo. After he recovered from the surgery, his BGs stabilized and I was able to get him regulated again. I was afraid the chemo would throw him out of regulation, and the oncologist said it was more of a precaution than a necessary treatment.

Unfortunately, Cinco kept having Herpes flare ups in his left eye, and the pressure didn't seem to want to stay under control, so he lost regulation anyway. He was on 5 or 6 different eye drops and was miserable, so after about 6 months I asked the OV if taking out the eye would solve all this. He was surprised I asked, but said yes, it would. He said most people wouldn't want to do it. I thought that was silly - he already had one eye removed, and he couldn't see out of this one anyway, so why keep it and put him through all that misery? Once the eye was out and incision healed, he was so much more comfortable and life was easier for all of us! Now the bad news: about a year later we noticed a bump on his forehead, between his eyes, and a visit to the oncologist confirmed the lymphoma was back. He had the mass removed and went through radiation therapy, after which he was declared in remission, but about six months later he started bleeding from the nose, and they felt that the lymphoma had returned again. We started chemo, but he just got sicker, and soon I had to keep the promise I had made to him when we first took him into our home: Once we got him over DKA, I had promised I would not ever let him suffer. So I had to set him free. It's a sad ending, but the point to the story is that removing his eyes bought him quality time with us, and I would do it all over again in a heartbeat. I hope this helps you.

Sending lots of good vetty vines for Azalea and :bighug:s for the worried, tired bean!
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Tricia, oh my gosh I don't mind at all...cherish you sharing about yours and Cinco's journey, the choices you made with and for him and why. And the promise we make and honor in every moment with our beloveds, no matter how heartbreaking those times can be and are. ❤️❤️❤️

I'm also interested in why your OV chose to test for Bartonella. As well has the ocular herpes condition. Azalea has had intermittent runny eyes most of her life, subsides for a time with AB or homeopathics, then returns. had been clear of it for awhile.

Oh my, looking at the time....may be resume this later? Final touches on Azalea and I heading out by 8am to OV (don't think he'd like to see me in my Jammie's!) and dust off the car...a surprise of snowflakes early this morning.

Love hugs thanks ❤️❤️❤️ For you all and I will soon as azalea and I are at the OV and have handle on next steps after her exam. Prayers and vines and hugs all around for all,
Sina
 
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