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So my boy Sonny is not likeing the FF pates or the Friskies pates (i stopped feeding the Purina DM savory selects because of the cost and i heard it wasnt good) Anyway, he ate the friskies and FF for a couple of weeks and now he is being really finicky. Has anyone heard anything about the FF "chunky" line?? Its on the low carb list and think it would be "meatier" than the pate. Thanks!
 
5% -fancy feast chunky chicken feast -637
7% - fancy feast chunky turkey feast -624


there is a place to click on the orange list.....that expands it so you can see all of it....

those two are on the list already.....
 
I'm not understanding the list?? If we are to feed < 250 phosphorous why does the list have a high phos content?
 
i included the phosphorus amounts because so many foods are way too high, especially fancy feast.
If we are aware of the highest ones, we can at least rotate and give lower ones during the week too.
the list was my personal list for Shadow and then I went thru the master list and just took all the under 8% carbs so the list would be good
for everyone else.

Some people have a hard time deciphering the master list on catinfo.org
so i created a printable list from what we knew at the time.......

much easier to carry to the store than the master list....
 
billr said:
Has anyone looked at the Sheba Pates? The ingredients list looks good, but I don't remember seeing them listed on Dr. Pearson's list.
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They wouldn't be on the list. This food is newer.

I just got an email from them:

"The typical analysis for the Sheba Pate is: 13.7% protein, 6.9% fat, 0.14% fiber, 2.50% ash, 75.90% moisture on an as fed basis. I hope this information helps."
 
I am new on this site. Trying to manage my 15 yr old Calli with diet only. It has only been 9 days since diagnosis. I found this site on the second day. I am now feeding her all canned no more dry. She is doing so much better on these FF classics. I just wanted to thank you for this very informative canned food list with carb values. It is awesome to know there are so many good choices in reasonably priced canned foods. Being on a fixed income as I am, this helps tremendously. Calli's BG level has gone from 441 on diagnosis day to 238 as of this morning. She has had better readings than that, her lowest being 108. I am hoping diet only will do the trick as the cost of insulin and supplies I cannot afford at all. I certainly do not want to put her down just because she has diabetes. I see with diligence it can be controlled. Again, thanks for this great list and would appreciate any other tips or info you might have to help me and Calli cope with this new lifestyle we both are now in. I am Barb by the way. :)
 
Welcome Barb and Calli! I'm hopeful that you can manage the diabetes with diet only, the food really does make a huge difference!

When you have a little time, if you could add somethings to your signature, it'd help us with giving advice. Such as, where you're located, date of diagnosis, Callis age, food used, and type insulin, if used. This way if people don't see your original post, they know a little more about Calli and can make better suggestions.

The next thing would be to set up a spreadsheet, but being "electronically challenged", I'm going to have to let someone else chime in on that. Lol
 
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Mogmom and Goofus said:
Welcome Barb and Calli! I'm hopeful that you can manage the diabetes with diet only, the food really does make a huge difference!

When you have a little time, if you could add somethings to your signature, it'd help us with giving advice. Such as, where you're located, date of diagnosis, Callis age, food used, and type insulin, if used. This way if people don't see your original post, they know a little more about Calli and can make better suggestions.

The next thing would be to set up a spreadsheet, but being "electronically challenged", I'm going to have to let someone else chime in on that. Lol
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Hi...I too am electronically challenged and have no idea how to set up a signature. I keep a daily journal now on Calli, her readings, litter box habits, water and food consumption and overall day. This is a whole new ballgame for both Calli and I and figuring out a routine has been a challenge. Our old normal routine will no longer work! I do have a question maybe you can answer because I see you have been a member here since last year. Since I am trying diet only first and no insulin, should I take her morning reading on BG before or after her morning feeding? It seems that her morning reading is higher than it is for the rest of that day. I have been testing morning, afternoon and late evening. Is a spreadsheet really necessary since I already keep a daily journal? Thanks for responding to my post. I need all the help I can get. It is all overwhelming. We are in Florida, she was diagnosed on Dec 21 2015, she is 15 and has always been a very healthy cat. I have always fed my cats Fancy Feast and Friskies, but they are all fans of the gravies and sauces which I see is the absolute wrong thing, so now I am just doing the low carb pates in the classics and adding a little water to mix it up and make it more like the gravies. I chose to try diet only because I am on a fixed income and cannot afford insulin treatment. It has only been 10 days since the diagnosis and she has gone from having a 441 reading at the vet on diagnosis day to now anywhere between 150 to 230. Within 3 days after diagnosis her BG dropped by more than half. The vet was happy when I called to let her know and feels better about going the diet only routine first. Here's hoping I can get it down to normal range. Thanks for any advice or helpful hints. I appreciate it. Happy New Year!
 
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Hi...I too am electronically challenged and have no idea how to set up a signature. I keep a daily journal now on Calli, her readings, litter box habits, water and food consumption and overall day. This is a whole new ballgame for both Calli and I and figuring out a routine has been a challenge. Our old normal routine will no longer work! I do have a question maybe you can answer because I see you have been a member here since last year. Since I am trying diet only first and no insulin, should I take her morning reading on BG before or after her morning feeding? It seems that her morning reading is higher than it is for the rest of that day. I have been testing morning, afternoon and late evening. Is a spreadsheet really necessary since I already keep a daily journal? Thanks for responding to my post. I need all the help I can get. It is all overwhelming. We are in Florida, she was diagnosed on Dec 21 2015, she is 15 and has always been a very healthy cat. I have always fed my cats Fancy Feast and Friskies, but they are all fans of the gravies and sauces which I see is the absolute wrong thing, so now I am just doing the low carb pates in the classics and adding a little water to mix it up and make it more like the gravies. I chose to try diet only because I am on a fixed income and cannot afford insulin treatment. It has only been 10 days since the diagnosis and she has gone from having a 441 reading at the vet on diagnosis day to now anywhere between 150 to 230. Within 3 days after diagnosis her BG dropped by more than half. The vet was happy when I called to let her know and feels better about going the diet only routine first. Here's hoping I can get it down to normal range. Thanks for any advice or helpful hints. I appreciate it. Happy New Year!
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Have you ever experienced constipation issues with your cat? Would you know what I could give Calli to soften her stools without raising BG? She appears constipated today. Also, I did figure out how to do a signature! :)
 
Have any of you heard of Pure Balance brand cat food sold at Walmart? Wondering what the carb percentage and quality of food are like. I just went to Walmart to replenish my cat food supply and bought one can out of curiosity, but will not give it to her unless I know if it is decent.
 
Hi all and happy New Year to you and yours! It is a good news bad news this day, bad, but not super bad news first. Calli had been very constipated, and thanks to several of you, you told me what to try as did my own vet. I hesitated to take action because of fear it may make it worse and I also thought if there might be blockage I could seriosly harm her. I was going to wait until today to take her to the vet to be seen. Anyhow, long story short Calli became pretty sick yesterday morning so I had to call my vet's emergency number since it was Sunday. Well, hundreds of dollars later (which I really did not have) Calli is now on the road to recovery. She needed x-rays to determine no blockage and how much stool had backed up. She was in a lot of pain. What they did was give her a few shots, then two enemas. She had a lot of backed up stool so it took two to clean her out. The vet said to add pumpkin or Miralax to her diet. Thanks to you all who also recommended the same thing. We started with Miralax today in her food which she has eaten all of, thank goodness. So now for the GOOD news! Last night before bedtime her BG reading was 115 and this morning it was 145!! Hoping these great readings will continue and that we have turned the corner and can indeed manage her diabetes with diet only! I am so happy today even with the bad stuff we went through yesterday. I will continue to seek all the advice and feedback from all of you. Thanks again and wishing you all good health and happiness in the New Year for both you and your beloved furbabies!! Barb
 
The % is per serving, what is a serving size of FF ? I can't read the print on the can even with my glasses on .
 
No, the Sheba foods aren't on the lists because the manufacturer refused to submit the information to Dr. Lisa when she was making up the charts, but the pate's are low carb and fine for our sugarcats

China gets a Sheba snack every once in awhile
 
I see things that worry me here. Dr Pierson's list has Fancy Feast Tender flavors (which I find as Fancy Feast Classic "Tender Beef and Chicken", etc...), as low carb - 4, or 5 %. but Tanya's list, as I am looking at it, has these flavors listed up at 22% sometimes. Those have been a significant part of our feeding, because those "Tender" recipes were so loved by our kitties, but now I'm am wondering, once again, if feeding has been a problem.
 
IF there is a gravy associated with any food..... it is likely higher carb.
I am not familiar with that one.

purina has changed many of their formulas recently so we really need an update.


try putting an asterisk in your ss for when you feed.....
you can start tuning in as to whether numbers go up after eating and by how much.....
that will tell you more than anything.....
each cat is different. My girl did better on 8 and 9 %..... I found out from feeding her.


i also recommend seeing if they will eat the fancy feast chunky chicken or turkey....
that one has not changed in the last few years.....
 
Shorty said:
Dr Pierson's list has Fancy Feast Tender flavors.... as low carb - 4, or 5 %. but Tanya's list, as I am looking at it, has these flavors listed up at 22% sometimes.
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Hi Shorty's person, the Tanya site has a different way of measuring.
Because their emphasis is on the phosphorous content of foods they are do doing a 'dry matter calculation' by weight. Dry matter calculations are the best way of comparing phos content.

But here (and on Dr Pierson's list) we are using a different method for comparing carbohydrate content. We are comparing the 'percentage of calories from carbohydrates'. So, the total calories are totted up, and then a calculation is done to work out what percentage of those calories comes from carbs. That is why the numbers you're seeing are so different.

(However, as Rhiannon says, we could really do with some updated figures to take account of any recent change in food formulations...)

Hoping this helps...

Eliz
 
Elizabeth and Bertie said:
Hi Shorty's person, the Tanya site has a different way of measuring.
Because their emphasis is on the phosphorous content of foods they are do doing a 'dry matter calculation' by weight. Dry matter calculations are the best way of comparing phos content.

But here (and on Dr Pierson's list) we are using a different method for comparing carbohydrate content. We are comparing the 'percentage of calories from carbohydrates'. So, the total calories are totted up, and then a calculation is done to work out what percentage of those calories comes from carbs. That is why the numbers you're seeing are so different.

(However, as Rhiannon says, we could really do with some updated figures to take account of any recent change in food formulations...)

Hoping this helps...

Eliz
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Hi @Elizabeth and Bertie

Do you know if anyone... here.. or elsewhere... is working on an updated listing/chart? Sure would be helpful.

Is this something that can be done by some of us here?

Thanks!
John and Derek[/QUOTE]
 
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JohnZ said:
Do you know if anyone... here.. or elsewhere... is working on an updated listing/chart?
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No, I don't, John...
JohnZ said:
Is this something that can be done by some of us here?
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Yes, it is, John.... :D

If there were a few people willing to take this on (it would be a heck of a lot of work for just one person) it would be of HUGE benefit to the US members of this forum, of which there are many....

There were a couple of people that expressed an interest in helping out with an updated list (in another thread somewhere)... I'll see if I can find it.... Then maybe people can message each other and get a conversation going to see if it's a possibility...?

Edited to add: John, here's the thread I was thinking about, but in fact I think there's only one person in the list, @Connie & Max , who has volunteered to help (apologies if I've missed anyone.... :oops: )
New/updated cat food list?

I'll post on the main health forum and see if anyone else is willing to help out....

Eliz
 
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Elizabeth and Bertie said:
No, I don't, John...

Yes, it is, John.... :D

If there were a few people willing to take this on (it would be a heck of a lot of work for just one person) it would be of HUGE benefit to the US members of this forum, of which there are many....

There were a couple of people that expressed an interest in helping out with an updated list (in another thread somewhere)... I'll see if I can find it.... Then maybe people can message each other and get a conversation going to see if it's a possibility...?

Edited to add: John, here's the thread I was thinking about, but in fact I think there's only one person in the list, @Connie & Max , who has volunteered to help (apologies if I've missed anyone.... :oops: )
New/updated cat food list?

I'll post on the main health forum and see if anyone else is willing to help out....

Eliz
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Eliz,

That would be great. I'd think the toughest part would be getting usable data from the food manufactures :banghead:

John and Derek
 
Fancy Feast has changed their recipe on their "Classics" Tender Chicken Feast in the last month or two. It is no longer called "Tender". Recipe changed too. I compared the two cans to each other and there isn't a large change in the recipe, but it is different. I don't remember seeing any changes that alarmed me, but it's a change.
 
Shorty said:
Fancy Feast has changed their recipe on their "Classics" Tender Chicken Feast in the last month or two. It is no longer called "Tender". Recipe changed too. I compared the two cans to each other and there isn't a large change in the recipe, but it is different. I don't remember seeing any changes that alarmed me, but it's a change.
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Are you talking about classic chicken or tender chicken? I have noticed slight change in Silvester' numbers recently, and have been thinking about the change in FF, but the label shows no change in ingredients.
 
?Chase and I are fairly new to this. For his entire life, he was a free feeder of dry food only. He never did like wet food. Until now... and it took me so many varieties and combinations to finally get him to the point he is at now. He is eating nothing but Purina DM, at the advice of his vet. He wouldn't even touch it at first, but with patience and persistence, I've finally gotten him completely crossed over to eating it exclusively. And I can tell the difference in his BG numbers. Here's my question, though.... can someone tell me what food would be comparable to the Purina DM pate... that isn't so expensive. I have realized that there is no way I can financially keep up with the Purina DM. He eats one can, twice per day. And here's the thing. This guy is more about the texture of his food, than he is about the flavor. I mean... flavor is important, but he will NOT eat anything chunky or shredded. In fact, I was having to run his food through a blender at first, but finally he is eating pate. I work 60 hours a week on the computer... and my eyes are so bad. Reading labels is painful to my eyes, and when doing comparisons like this... well... it's so very tough. That's why I'm reaching out to those of you, here, who might have suggestions for me. I am down to his last can of Purina DM and finally have some time to go to the store, so I thought I would see if anyone was around who might be able to help. Thank you, so much!
 
I know I need to red0 this post....
some of these foods don't exist anymore.....

but the more important foods are still relevant so we continue to bump it up......


reminder that the first number is carbs.... the number at the end is phosphorus which ckd cats need under 250....and as close as you can get.
 
Thank you so much for making this list! Amber has always been a picky eater and only went for Friskies or 9Lives Beef or Chicken with gravy, the more gravy the better. However after being diagnosed diabetic I picked up some Fancy Feast beef pate and she actually gobbled it up.

Tonight I used this list and put together a new order from Chewy including three different low carb variety packs: Weruva Cats in the Kitchen cans, Weruva Cats in the Kitchen pouches, and Tiki Cat King Luua variety. I also got some freeze dried treats, Pure Bites and Vital Essences.

I hope with a change in diet she'll eventually go into remission, but either way I'm so glad this site exists to help us give the best possible care to our cats, both Amber and I thank you all!

Thanks,
Joe
 
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