08-22 Small Kitty - amps 220 (169 @ +12) +5.5 430 pmps 373 - HC: last resort

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Good morning all,

Sounds the week-end has proven that Small Kitty is no shy getting into the bleu, he stayed there for probably more then 4h !

Thing is, he's there NOW, at preshot. I've delayed food by giving raw meat, he seems to
be happy and believe this is the real meal. I will test in an hour, what if he's falling
in 1h, when I have to leave ?

This is yesterday :
08-21 Small Kitty - amps 257 +3.5 182 +5 122 +6.5 110 +9 269 pmps 452 - Bounce



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Now he realized the ''meal'' wasn't the the real one. Sadly my test ''buddy'' seems to be hiding
himself. Other employees told me he's off until Tuesday, don't think it's the case. Haven't seen
him since vacation..
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I'm getting ready to leave for work, but wanted to suggest you shoot and leave food out for him since he is 220 now. Are you able to come home any during the day and test?
 
Thanks Carla,

Had to go to the office also. As he raised I went on with his shot. Meal served (the real one). I will left hc for the +3 feeder. Hate to do that, HC is fast food to my eyes.

Will see if another ''kid'' can test for me later.
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For those who just woke up, what would be the best practice on blue AM when I cannot test
more then 1h. after regular shot time ? What's high to some cat is very low for Small Kitty
+ I'm using a pet meter.

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Finally got in touch with my friend, he was happy to help. He will test in mid-cycle.
With FF with gravy he should be high.
 
Sebastien....it's kind of hard to tell for sure.....was he at 220 when you actually shot? Or did you shoot when he was at 169?

Either way, I probably wouldn't have left out high carb food in this instance....if you didn't shoot until he was at 220, it's obvious his numbers were climbing so he may have been starting another bounce and the HC would just add to that

Same basic thing if you shot at 169.....even if you fed/shot then, he'd come up to 220 before you had to leave

I would have just left down some regular low carb food....or if you were really worried, maybe a lower % medium
 
Chris & China said:
was he at 220 when you actually shot?
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He was at 220 when I gave his shot. Seems Small Kitty is quick at recovering from low numbers but
there is so many mentions all around FMDB that your cat might fall into hypo that I go hard on safety.

I will need to study for food that is MC, I've both extreme, LC and HC, no MD in my inventory.
Also, I don't know when to give it. Right at shot time or 3h later ?

Thanks for your help Chris.
 
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Photorecon said:
Also, I don't know when to give it. Right at shot time or 3h later ?
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If you're giving it because you're concerned about low numbers, you'd want to wait and feed it later in the cycle, not at shot time, so you'd give it at +3

But again, I would have just left down LC...since he came up from 162 to 22o in less than an hour and without food, that's a good indication that the last shot is wearing off AND with what we know about SK, he's probably going to bounce off the blues from last night.....adding MC or HC is just going to add to it
 
Chris & China said:
If you're giving it because you're concerned about low numbers, you'd want to wait and feed it later in the cycle, not at shot time, so you'd give it at +3
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This is what I've done in the past. When I was on vacation my care taker just gave more LC food when he was low (2 tbl spoon instead of 1).
 
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Hi Sebastien ~ nice pre shot number for Sebastien this morning. I agree with Chris that at that number LC would have been sufficient. It would be nice if he would throw these numbers on the weekend so you could shot them with confidence knowing that you would be home to steer with LC food if needed.

It' a learning curve for sure and as he throws more and more lower numbers in the blues, you will get more comfortable leaving just LC food for him. No worries, I have the feeling that SK has more blue numbers up his paw!
 
Bobbie And Bubba said:
Hi Sebastien ~ nice pre shot number for Sebastien this morning. I agree with Chris that at that number LC would have been sufficient. It would be nice if he would throw these numbers on the weekend so you could shot them with confidence knowing that you would be home to steer with LC food if needed.

It' a learning curve for sure and as he throws more and more lower numbers in the blues, you will get more comfortable leaving just LC food for him. No worries, I have the feeling that SK has more blue numbers up his paw!
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When you spend months getting your kitty out of the black and red you don't want voluntarily throw him back
there. This is what I've done (seems like), my buddy called me and at + 7 he was at 396 :(.

I will need to find something ''in between''. Best would be something to add to low carb food if needed,
something available in a kitchen like a sauce, chicken broth...

Any Idea of what could do the job, just raise a bit ? That would make food management
easier. Small Kitty eats everything !

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Photorecon said:
When you spend months getting your kitty out of the black and red you don't want voluntarily throw him back
there. This is what I've done (seems like), my buddy called me and at + 7 he was at 396 :(.

I will need to find something ''in between''. Best would be something to add to low carb food if needed,
something available in a kitchen like a sauce, chicken broth...

Any Idea of what could do the job ? Small Kitty eats everything !

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If you really need to give MC, I add a drop of HC gravy, just a little dash, to my raw LC food. That makes it close to MC if you are needing MC food and only have LC and HC on hand. At any rate that is what I do for Gus.
ETA but that is only if you Have to use MC. I steer with just LC as much as possible to avoid the bounces mentioned above.
 
Good idea that Gussie's mom gave putting a drop of HC gravy to make LC food become MC food.

I think if he is 150 and above at AMPS, I would just put LC in the feeder. Looking back at 8/9 he was 149 and you reduced and shot 1.5 and he bounced up to 200 at +1 from a food spike. He was under the influence of the higher depot of 1.75 that cycle. Your notes say that you added MC food to his LC am meal and you gave HC in the feeder for +3 and you can see how high that took him by PM. (443) Using that data can help you when you get another blue Pre shot so you won't over do the carbs to take him to high.

It is such a balancing act, Sebastien. Until now, it you haven't had to be too concerned with him going too low while you are at work. Practice makes perfect and the good notes you are keeping will really help you. :)
 
Gussie's mom said:
I steer with just LC as much as possible
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Like the therm :woot: This is what I'll do now on, HC alone is way too hard, he stepped up in the red. but still,
he's been able to come down with the insulin wearing out :) (430 at +7 373 at pmps).

Thanks for turning the light on, sounds to be a good curve management with soft steering move.
 
Photorecon said:
Like the therm :woot: This is what I'll do now on, HC alone is way too hard, he stepped up in the red. but still,
he's been able to come down with the insulin wearing out :) (430 at +7 373 at pmps).

Thanks for turning the light on, sounds to be a good curve management with soft steering move.
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Most welcome! Safe steering to you! Safe surfing SmallKitty!:)
 
Photorecon said:
He was at 220 when I gave his shot
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Then his AMPS number on his spreadsheet should be 220.....the number that goes in the cell is always the number you actually shoot.....if you stall (like you did this morning) you can put something like "169 @ +12, 220 @ +12.75" and then manually color code that cell (you'd choose yellow since that's what you shot)
 
Some of the Friskies non--pates are considered MC. Authority, you can find at a PetSmart. Nutro (again PetSmart) has some mid-carb. All of these are affordable.
 
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