08-21 Small Kitty - amps 257 +3.5 182 +5 122 +6.5 110 +9 269 pmps 452 - Bounce

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Good morning to all,

Once again Small Kitty and his brother have had some good exercise outside last night.
Sounds this was good because numbers are what it would be nice to have every morning.
Good that the dry food contraband is history .

Today will be the day to try to catch nadir. Think I got the night one, could not stay up
any longer, to see if he was going up or down, had to go sleep.

The order for new strips has been shipped but it's only at the end of the month
that it will arrive, it's from Australia. In the meantime I've to stay conservative
on strips if I want to be able to test before shooting.

Any idea on the best time to get something representative without testing every 2h. ?

As for now he's beautiful, very happy with this beautiful number

Good Sunday to all of you,

Sébastien

Yesterday :
http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/...-3-331-5-155-clearing-up.163360/#post-1756433
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Sébastien.

 

[carfurby (GA)]

I'm glad SK is lower this morning. From looking at his SS, it looks like if you can test at +3, +5 and +7 you have a good chance to catch his nadir.

 

[Tuxedo Mom]

Good morning Sebastian

Nice to see SK starting off with better numbers.

Since you can only do a curve once a week and some of your other curves were when SK was bouncing,I would take advantage of today and do a full curve..a test every 2 hours for the cycle. This will give a great picture of how SK is doing during his cycle. I wouldn't give anything other than LC food...unless his numbers start to drop. This will give a clear picture of what is happening.

ETA The +2 number should be higher than the preshot because of the food. If you find the +4 shot higher than preshot, then it could be SK is bouncing from the blue last night..I hope he doesn't bounce since it always seems to happen on curve day .

 

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Good morning Sebastian

Nice to see SK starting off with better numbers.

Since you can only do a curve once a week and some of your other curves were when SK was bouncing,I would take advantage of today and do a full curve..a test every 2 hours for the cycle. This will give a great picture of how SK is doing during his cycle. I wouldn't give anything other than LC food...unless his numbers start to drop. This will give a clear picture of what is happening.

ETA The +2 number should be higher than the preshot because of the food. If you find the +4 shot higher than preshot, then it could be SK is bouncing from the blue last night..I hope he doesn't bounce since it always seems to happen on curve day .

Seems luck is on my side today.
1 : Small Kitty is not taken over by the food madness (for now)
2: no bounce so far (as of 3.5)

 

[Tuxedo Mom]

Seems luck is on my side today.
1 : Small Kitty is not taken over by the food madness (for now)
2: no bounce so far (as of 3.5)

Looking very nice. With any luck Sk will have a "normal" cycle with no bouncing and you can get a good picture of the cycle. If possible test again at +5 , +7, +9 and +11...or as many of those as you can get. This will show a great picture of how SK progresses or regresses during the cycle. That is why I had suggested a full curve to show the big picture. Also I suggested not feeding anything other than LC food...unless SK drops too low..so that you can see how he responds just with regular food.

 

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I'm glad SK is lower this morning. From looking at his SS, it looks like if you can test at +3, +5 and +7 you have a good chance to catch his nadir.

Carla, it's so nice to see you here, you're out of the needle business and you take time to help.
That's lovely and really appreciated.

Your advice is a good confirmation of I would have done but seems nadir cough in
traffic and catching it is a question of chance Hope there's not gonna be to many red lights
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Also I suggested not feeding anything other than LC food

Yes, this is what I did, PC beef food is 2%, seems pretty low.

 

[Tuxedo Mom]

Yes, this is what I did, PC beef food is 2%, seems pretty low.

Good. If SK does a good cycle without a bounce and you feed LC food then you get a "clean" picture of how he does through the cycle and this will help make decisions on dose and feeding types when you are at work.

Good luck with the rest of the cycle.

 

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Heck, sounds Small Kitty is going lower than I ever tough with this dose..
122 at +5.

Start to believe high carb food (ff at 4%) was good.

Or : Blue is not frightening anymore. (doubtful). Rockets are ready to fire, I think.

Will see.
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[julie & punkin (ga)]

4% is definitely not high carb!! That's a low carb - anything under 10% is considered low.

An observation about his recent spreadsheet:

Last night he was 331 at +3 and 155 at +5. That's a drop of 176 in 2 hours. That's a large drop in a short time and is big enough to trigger a bounce in most cats. Yet he's back to 122 and in a normal cycle already today. That's a good thing. Perhaps he's spending enough time in normal range that his body is getting used to it.

I would get one more test at +6 and see how he is then before deciding if I needed to continue testing on this cycle. Your only goal is to find the nadir/low point. Once he begins to rise there's no reason to keep testing when you're short on strips.

 

[Tuxedo Mom]

Those are very nice numbers especially with a pet meter. Your +5 number should be getting closer to SK's nadir. I agree with Julie to do another test at +6 and see where SK is headed.

 

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4% is definitely not high carb!! That's a low carb - anything under 10% is considered low.

An observation about his recent spreadsheet:

Last night he was 331 at +3 and 155 at +5. That's a drop of 176 in 2 hours. That's a large drop in a short time and is big enough to trigger a bounce in most cats. Yet he's back to 122 and in a normal cycle already today. That's a good thing. Perhaps he's spending enough time in normal range that his body is getting used to it.

I would get one more test at +6 and see how he is then before deciding if I needed to continue testing on this cycle. Your only goal is to find the nadir/low point. Once he begins to rise there's no reason to keep testing when you're short on strips.

Julie, you're a gift from nature, love your help, very nice. (don't worry, this is no flirting )

He's still getting low, that's why I've tighten my testing. If he's touching green (who knows ??) that
would answer the enigma.

Thing is, I'm not sure this curve is fully representative of the real thing, two nights outside is a big
change in ''happyness''.

Will see.
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Those are very nice numbers especially with a pet meter. Your +5 number should be getting closer to SK's nadir. I agree with Julie to do another test at +6 and see where SK is headed.

Mary Ann, you're also a gift from nature but your travel time is smaller (Ontario compared to Washington)
so it's easier for you to come here
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[Tuxedo Mom]

Well it looks like SK is nicely surfing right now...not really any change between the +5 and +6.5 number when you take meter variances into account. It seems that he is at nadir time now, so that is good to know. It would be interesting to see where his numbers go around +9, to see when he is heading back up and how quickly.

With feeding him only LC food today, how different is that from the timed feeder food...do you use LC or do you put a higher carb food in the feeders?

BTW...I am in Manitoba, not Ontario. Ontario is 690 km wide so that is a lot of extra distance.

 

[julie & punkin (ga)]

BTW...I am in Manitoba, not Ontario. Ontario is 690 km wide so that is a lot of extra distance.

Heehee and I'm in Oregon rather than Washington, but they are next door neighbors. The biggest difference is that Washington has sales tax and we don't. Although we have very high income taxes, so you get taxed either way.

Thing is, I'm not sure this curve is fully representative of the real thing, two nights outside is a big
change in ''happyness''.

Trust your glucometer. This is the real thing - numbers don't lie. But perhaps it tells you that exercise helps SK's body use his insulin better. Exercise is known to reduce insulin resistance, which is good. Do you have any toys that help your kitties be more active? A laser light or wand?

 

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Small Kitty is not a hunter, Big Brother is. He brought me a nice little bird (no toy) Saturday morning.

Most of the time during the week he's taken over by the food madness and this is the only
thing that counts. Taking him in my harms, try to play... Lost of time, he's running to the
kitchen bouncing everywhere. I'm quite surprise he's quiet right now. He's probably
mad when the bounce starts.. This is when having a cat is no fun at all. Today it is.

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do you put a higher carb food in the feeders?

Up until 11/08/2016 it was low carb all the way (2% av.). After that feeder had 4% ff. Maybe I would need something
''harder'' on carb ? I always feel like a criminal when feeding HC.

When there is mention of MC in the SS it's Friskies Chicken DInner Paté at 8%.

HC mention in the SS is Friskies Gravy at 17%.

Always 1 table spoon but I've noticed this week-end that Small Kitty is faster or has more appetite
and grabs both portions for himself. (there is 2 feeders, 1 for each cat).


http://www.catinfo.org/docs/SortableCatFoodChartCatinfo.org2-22-13.htm

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...0KlRA2ZVTk_tYNVRaoG_3Dfy64/edit#gid=964479244

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+9, take off on it's way : 261

 

[Tuxedo Mom]

+9, take off on it's way : 261

This is a great example of why you can't judge how a dose is working just from looking at the AMPS and the PMPS. SK could do a bit of a bounce by PM time but you'll have to wait and see. But as you are able to tell SK does get down into the blues...just don't know how often he does it.

 

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I think the next few cycle will be on the defensive and get high in numbers. If not, he's starting
to get used to low numbers and we can put the champagne bottles in the fridge.

After all, maybe some posts from our friends a week or so back are not that wrong. Maybe
that pushing Small Kitty into the blue and accepting the bounces following these low numbers is the way to go.

''Feeding the curve'' could be a nice compromise. Thing is to know how much carb and WHEN.

That's more tricky.. Too soon your killing your insulin effect, too late your making a disaster come worst.

Let's see what pmps has in reserve.
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[Tuxedo Mom]

'Feeding the curve'' could be a nice compromise. Thing is to know how much carb and WHEN.

That's more tricky.. Too son your killing your insulin effect, to late your making a disaster come wo

That is such a tricky thing. Today you only fed SK LC food and he did not drop too low and his curve overall looks pretty good.

 

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Bill just came up, pmps 452

Started at +10-11, Small Kitty started meowing a little asking for food. Was able to buy peace with
some raw chicken

 

[Tuxedo Mom]

Well now you know that hitting a blue will make SK bounce to the moon. But this also means that those high numbers you come home from work to could be from him going lower during the day. SK's body doesn't want to accept the nicer numbers as "healthy" yet. It shows that this does is able to bring SK down into much better numbers...if only he would quit bouncing!!

 

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I think the feeder needs to have something above 10% acting as a little kick to stay out of the low blues.

Or, close eyes on reds and let the the system deal with it.

One thing is sure, this blue zone is a moral booster, very nice.

To Small Kitty

 

[Tuxedo Mom]

I think the feeder needs to have something above 10% acting as a little kick to stay out of the low blues.

Or, close eyes on reds and let the the system deal with it.

One thing is sure, this blue zone is a moral booster, very nice.

To Small Kitty

You don't want to avoid the blues. The more time SK spends in the blues the more his body will learn to accept that these numbers are "safe". You want to avoid him getting too low and getting down below 90 US (5 mmol), which would put him lower than you want for the SLGS approach. This is where it would be good if you could get your friend to come by for awhile during the mid cycle and do a test, and make sure he is not falling too low.