06/23 - Small Kitty amps 520 +1 508 - pmps 324 +2 367 +3.5 304

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First, I'd like to say a solid thanks to all who brought up my feline diabetes knowledge yesterday :

http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/...5-4-268-5-298-tr-program.159936/#post-1707354

High numbers days are counted (I hope) with TR before going back to SLGS

Sounds TR is an accelerated slgs ? For what I understand, one difference is that you want to find or predict Nadir like mad, isn’t it ? I'm yet to read on the subject, will jump on it soon.

My guess is that you kind of playing with fire with the hose on one hand (lc, mc, hc food) on
one hand, and a heavy needle on the other. Or driving up or slightly above speed limit but
keeping a foot on the break pedal in case a cop pass by ?

The case being, you can get good results pretty quickly ? You find you nadir, increase
insulin to make it level with what you want then go back to cruse speed. (maybe too simple ?).

http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/...5-4-268-5-298-tr-program.159936/#post-1707468
 
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Another thing I was wondering, actually 2 :

1 : Feeder might scramble results with food making GL go up and down. I am right ?

2 : Having someone else poking will for sure make Small Kitty hide and fight
not to be taken by someone else. Is this another stress to scramble results ?

Some time I have visitor here and gram him and bring him to someone's harms
Result is a disaster. I've seen Small Kitty peeing on them the scratching like mad..

Can this still make TR a good strategy, needing modification ?

Just wondering.

Have a good day all.

Sébastien
 
What kind of conclusion can we get from this lower result at +1 ?

Lantus is not a fast acting insulin and Small Kitty has lost 12 point in 1h.
after amps.

Is it food, was he on a downfall already from the night ? Confused..
 
Photorecon said:
What kind of conclusion can we get from this lower result at +1 ?
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When the +1 or +2 is lower than the Pre shot number it means it could be an active cycle. With his numbers being so high to start off with this morning, I don't think you'll have to be that concerned as you have his auto feeder filled. If SK had started off in lower numbers this AM then you might need to give a little bit of LC food at the +1 to just slow it down a little but, like I said with numbers as high as he started with (bouncing from last night's yellows) I wouldn't be too concerned.
 
Photorecon said:
Having someone else poking will for sure make Small Kitty hide and fight
not to be taken by someone else. Is this another stress to scramble results ?

Some time I have visitor here and gram him and bring him to someone's harms
Result is a disaster. I've seen Small Kitty peeing on them the scratching like mad..
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Let's hope this won't be an issue. Maybe what you should do is first just have the helper come over to just say hi to SK and not even try to test. Do you have any low carb treats like Freeze Dried chicken? If so, have the helper just say hi and give SK and BB a treat and hang out with them for a few minutes without even touching him. This is what I did with my pet sitter and Bubba before my trip out of town. My pet sitter, Matt, came over a couple of times before even attempted to learn to test him. Maybe that would help SK
 
I would consider that +1 to be the same as his amps, when the numbers are so high, and taking into account the variance in meters those numbers would be considered the same.
As Bobbie says if his amps was say 90 and you got a 78 then you might need to take some action to slow him down.
But today, he's bouncing ..... let's hope he clears it soon.
 
Photorecon said:
: Feeder might scramble results with food making GL go up and down. I am right ?
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You still want to be giving small snacks even when using TR. Those snacks sizes might need to be reduced now that SK has gained back his weight, as you were giving him more food than his weight requires to help him get back the weight he lost (We can talk about that tonight) .

The biggest difference with TR is that you can increase the dose faster which helps to get SK in lower numbers faster.
 
Bobbie And Bubba said:
Do you have any low carb treats like Freeze Dried chicken
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Good morning Bobbie, Gill,

I do have treats but not the freeze Dried chicken. At the pet store they are selling these at 15$ for the medium bag, 7$ for the tiny one,
just too expensive. At my grocery where I found the very low carb there was this :
http://www.provigo.ca/en_CA/products/productlisting/pc-extra-meaty-chicken-nuggets-dog-treats.html

I screw it into small pieces and they do like it. I haven't notice any increase in GL when he takes it. Canada
is pretty restrained when it comes to low carb. All the low carb treats in the list are all from the US. Even
walmart.ca doesn't have anything I recognized as low carb in the ingredients.

I gave them very little so far but they do like it.
 
Do you know what the carbs are for the treats? See if you can get the carb count from the company. The ingredients say there is oats in it which is grain and will have carbs. Looks like it's 56 calories per treat so good thing you are only giving a fraction of the treat otherwise, it's like you are giving SK 1/2 can of FF .

If those treats were too high in carbs you could poach some chicken breast in water and cut it up into little bite size pieces and give those as treats. No carbs just protein.
 
Gill & George said:
Sebastien how often are you feeding these treats?
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very little, the size is like the nail of your small finger, 2 or 3 like that once every 3-4 days or less even less. This is new
stuff, bought last week-end. Could give raw chicken but management is kind a hard + I need something that makes noise
when shaking the small can in witch I put them. This is the bait to attract them from under the bed :)

Is it that bad ?
 
It's good that you haven't been giving him much.

I don't think they are LC, when I have run them through a carb calculator they come out very high in carbs, I would not use them sorry.
I am just going to tag a Canadian Member, perhaps she knows of some LC treat that is available for you.

@Tuxedo Mom What do you use for LC treats in Canada?

So you are giving 2 or 3 pieces; 3 to 4 times a day, so about 12 pieces a day?
If you are giving 12 pieces a day I would slowly reduce them so that you don't get a sudden impact in BG,
so drop to 9 for a day, then 6 then 3 then none and do it over a week or so.
 
Gill & George said:
It's good that you haven't been giving him much.

I don't think they are LC, when I have run them through a carb calculator they come out very high in carbs, I would not use them sorry.
I am just going to tag a Canadian Member, perhaps she knows of some LC treat that is available for you.

@Tuxedo Mom What do you use for LC treats in Canada?

So you are giving 2 or 3 pieces; 3 to 4 times a day, so about 12 pieces a day?
If you are giving 12 pieces a day I would slowly reduce them so that you don't get a sudden impact in BG,
so drop to 9 for a day, then 6 then 3 then none and do it over a week or so.
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Not 3 times a day, that's 1-2 pieces every 3-4 days, so far. 4 per week. It's just for experimenting and monitoring. I might have to make my own treats, hardest thing
is to have someone that will become dry without developing bacteria...
 
Gill & George said:
I would consider that +1 to be the same as his amps, when the numbers are so high, and taking into account the variance in meters those numbers would be considered the same.
As Bobbie says if his amps was say 90 and you got a 78 then you might need to take some action to slow him down.
But today, he's bouncing ..... let's hope he clears it soon.
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I think I might have found the reason the result is lower, might be wrong. When testing, I take Small Kitty
in my harms, give him some affection, put him on the kitchen table then go serious. I ''transform'' my mind
from a ''father'' to a scientist. The mother state of mind switch goes off and the analytical one take over.

When I did the second test, I went to the bed where Small Kitty was relaxing and performed the test there,
without analytical state of mind. It was test ''on the fly''.

Crazy, isn't ?
 
Gill & George said:
What do you use for LC treats in Canada?
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I cook some chicken thighs (plain) or whatever meat I am cooking (with no added spices etc) and freeze small portions to be used as treats. Also I do bone broth and freeze in small quantities to be used as treats. It just depends on what your kitty will eat. Tuxie does not (never has) like dry or semi moist food or treats.
 
For treats, Pure Bites are available in Canada - they're just freeze dried meat, so they're low carb. I've bought them at PetSmart. Don't buy the ones for cats though, as they're pretty expensive - the bags for dogs are exactly the same, you just have to break them up into smaller pieces.

Another thing I've done is make a poached chicken breast (like Bobbie suggested) and cut it into small pieces. To keep it fresh, I freeze the pieces - lay them out on a cookie sheet lined with wax paper and pop it in the freezer, then move the pieces to a Ziploc bag once they're frozen - this keeps them from freezing in one big clump. Then the night before, or first thing in the morning, take out what you need and let it thaw on a plate in the fridge. They thaw out fairly quick and since you're only taking out what you need for the day, no worries about the meat spoiling.
 
The main differences between TR and SLGS are:

Dose increase are made as often as every 3 days instead of waiting an entire week, so if the dose isn't getting him where we hope, we increase more often. This is a good thing, especially for a hard case like SK!

On TR, we don't reduce the dose until they fall below 68 on the AlphaTrak (which is one of the reasons you need the additional testing...for safety)...with SLGS, we reduce if they drop below 90. Cats are more likely to get into remission if their BG (blood glucose) is held between 68 and about 150 (AT) for as much time as possible so if the pancreas hasn't been damaged too much, it can possibly heal.

You'll want to read (and re-read) the Tight Regulation Protocol to get as familiar with it as possible since it's so different from what you've been doing, but of course we'll all be here to help you along the way!
 
Good evening all,

Did some shopping this evening to find cat treats and I've been quite sucessfull with
advice from all around. I bought Canadian with Orijen Tundra and Pure Bites found
in a pet store close to a subway station. They seem to like these.

Those kitties are well treated. Father brought them another gift :
Catbox.jpg


A very nice cat box someone had put at the corner of a street I never walk by,
maybe because the ''the middle 'floor'' was broken. Just had to take my hammer
and nail it back into place and it's now like new.
As you can see, Small Kitty is some sort of apprehensive about it..
Not sure they're going to like getting into a previously habited house..

I started reading about TR today, the pdf file. It's very interesting, with lots
of details. I've already print out one of the table with guide lines. I'll need
to read more and re-read everything before doing anything. It's national
Québec holiday tomorrow so my helpers were not that willing to start testing
now. I'll start training Sunday and they will need to be ''operational'' next week
as I'm departing for a 3 days air show next week. They promise me they would
take care of Small Kitty.

Might hold TR until back from this show, will see.

Time for supper now, I'm Hungry !


Will see.

If they like it that's a well deserve gift, with nice number like pmps it's good timing.
 
Hi Sebastien ~ I am loving the PMPS, it's a nice change from reds and blacks. So glad you could find the Purebites. They are all protein so that is good. I would not give the others to him as Gill calculated , they were way to high in carbs and although you were only giving it to him limitedly, a little of higher carbs can really impact higher BG's.

Love the present you brought home to SK and BB.

And the idea of the poached chicken and freeze is a great idea!
 
Bad boy Small Kitty,
Chris & China said:
The main differences between TR and SLGS are:

Dose increase are made as often as every 3 days instead of waiting an entire week, so if the dose isn't getting him where we hope, we increase more often. This is a good thing, especially for a hard case like SK!

On TR, we don't reduce the dose until they fall below 68 on the AlphaTrak (which is one of the reasons you need the additional testing...for safety)...with SLGS, we reduce if they drop below 90. Cats are more likely to get into remission if their BG (blood glucose) is held between 68 and about 150 (AT) for as much time as possible so if the pancreas hasn't been damaged too much, it can possibly heal.

You'll want to read (and re-read) the Tight Regulation Protocol to get as familiar with it as possible since it's so different from what you've been doing, but of course we'll all be here to help you along the way!
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The groups has changed this entire venture. Not sure I would have invested this energy and money without the motivation of this driving force we all have.
 
Awwww.....what a good cat daddy you are!!

In today's "throw away" society, a hammer and a nail and a little work got SK and BB a new toy!! I'm sure they'll both get used to it and get a lot of good out of it!

Hope both kitties love their new "healthy" treats!
 
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