? TiTi early morning +8 579 AMPS 609 MIDDAY +6 336 U 319- WHAAA?

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Yes, it looks like you actually gave the shot at 10pm your time. From above:

Yes I can test her at 2am. aand ok, I'll give her her regular shot now. I seems the safest course.

TiTi's spreadsheet .10yrs old
Diabetic 2 years -Hi-dose
Dried food&wet fd. AT Mtr.
Today at 8:04 PM
So on your spreadsheet, I'd use the +2 cell. You've got it in both the +2 and +3 cells right now. If you click on the +3 cell then hit backspace that might get rid of it. If not, don't worry about it.

What do you think about going ahead with a dose increase tomorrow morning?

I had backspaced it, but I forgot to hit enter.. I think the Gabapentin has some sleep inducing qualities, and consequentially. my brain is a bit slowed down.

As to the increase? Do you figure the 300s for a bounce swinging downward?
I mean how do y'all evaluate this? I need to understand. I sort of understood doing another test after the 300s, because that seemed like the values were swinging down and might swing up again, which they did. But why are they -why are they bouncing? And so we know from the 500s that the nubers will return to astronomical again?
Oh, and do we need a 2am test? I hope not,
 
I think you tested and then we talked about it, so the actual shot was delayed until 10pm.

Tomorrow morning you could probably shoot at 9:30am if she's still high, which is pretty likely. Usually you want 12 hours in between shots, but since she's probably going to bounce from these numbers today it would likely be ok to shoot a little early.

I wanted to answer your question above about clearing a bounce:

What is a bounce "clearing cycle? I don't understand the clearing cycle part of it.

When the body "bounces" it releases what are called counter-regulatory hormones and stored sugars. Those raise the blood sugar like they were designed to do when the body perceives a hypo. After a period of time - somewhere usually in less than 3 days, the body will clear out those hormones and sugars. Think of it like getting rid of something. I suppose it's the detox pathways that would do the job, but am not certain about that. In any case, when that happens, those hormones and sugars that have raised the cat's blood sugar go away and the blood sugar will come down. We call that "clearing" the bounce because the body has "cleared out" those unneeded hormones and sugars.

In some cats when they clear a bounce it's like the chair got pulled out from under someone and it comes crashing down fast. In some cats it's more like they meander down slowly. The end result for both is that the blood sugar (usually) gets back somewhat close to the range that set off the bounce in the first place.

The "normal" Lantus cycle is for the cat's blood sugar to be at its highest point at preshot, then for it to decrease as the insulin starts working, then as the insulin wanes the blood sugar rises again to the next preshot time. That normal cycle is somewhat obliterated by the bouncing hormones and sugars. They override the normal cycle.

As to the increase? Do you figure the 300s for a bounce swinging downward?
I mean how do y'all evaluate this? I need to understand. I sort of understood doing another test after the 300s, because that seemed like the values were swinging down and might swing up again, which they did. But why are they -why are they bouncing? And so we know from the 500s that the nubers will return to astronomical again?
Oh, and do we need a 2am test? I hope not,

Yes both Marje and I still think she needs more insulin. What today told us is that this dose is capable of getting her about to 300. That's still pretty high.

She's bouncing because her body isn't used to that range. It's very normal for this stage. I'd guess it's pretty likely that she's going to be back high again by morning. All you can do is keep plodding ahead on this. But she isn't the first high dose cat we've seen in high numbers. There is a dose that will move every cat - you keep on going and you'll get her into better numbers.

You don't need the 2am test. I'm back to work tomorrow and am headed for bed. I think you can call it a night now!
 
I think you tested and then we talked about it, so the actual shot was delayed until 10pm.

Tomorrow morning you could probably shoot at 9:30am if she's still high, which is pretty likely. Usually you want 12 hours in between shots, but since she's probably going to bounce from these numbers today it would likely be ok to shoot a little early.

I wanted to answer your question above about clearing a bounce:



When the body "bounces" it releases what are called counter-regulatory hormones and stored sugars. Those raise the blood sugar like they were designed to do when the body perceives a hypo. After a period of time - somewhere usually in less than 3 days, the body will clear out those hormones and sugars. Think of it like getting rid of something. I suppose it's the detox pathways that would do the job, but am not certain about that. In any case, when that happens, those hormones and sugars that have raised the cat's blood sugar go away and the blood sugar will come down. We call that "clearing" the bounce because the body has "cleared out" those unneeded hormones and sugars.

In some cats when they clear a bounce it's like the chair got pulled out from under someone and it comes crashing down fast. In some cats it's more like they meander down slowly. The end result for both is that the blood sugar (usually) gets back somewhat close to the range that set off the bounce in the first place.

The "normal" Lantus cycle is for the cat's blood sugar to be at its highest point at preshot, then for it to decrease as the insulin starts working, then as the insulin wanes the blood sugar rises again to the next preshot time. That normal cycle is somewhat obliterated by the bouncing hormones and sugars. They override the normal cycle.



Yes both Marje and I still think she needs more insulin. What today told us is that this dose is capable of getting her about to 300. That's still pretty high.

She's bouncing because her body isn't used to that range. It's very normal for this stage. I'd guess it's pretty likely that she's going to be back high again by morning. All you can do is keep plodding ahead on this. But she isn't the first high dose cat we've seen in high numbers. There is a dose that will move every cat - you keep on going and you'll get her into better numbers.

You don't need the 2am test. I'm back to work tomorrow and am headed for bed. I think you can call it a night now!
Ahhh I understand now. Yea, I'm not settling for the 300s. Hell, no!

So if she's at 400s or more tomorrow, 15 insulin units is the increase. Got it. Thanks for the explanation. I never feel safe until I understand, as much as possible, why things are happening. I feel safe now. Your explanation fits with my gut feeling. I sincerely hope you're in a time zone like the West coast. Hate to think of you up so late, night before work.
 
Yes, Julie lives in Oregon. I live in CA, so I'm around, too. I hope you're in bed and asleep as I type this. I'm glad you're feeling better now that you have the right meds. This stuff is so confusing for a normal day, I can't imagine trying to grasp it while you're on meds!!!
 
Yes, Julie lives in Oregon. I live in CA, so I'm around, too. I hope you're in bed and asleep as I type this. I'm glad you're feeling better now that you have the right meds. This stuff is so confusing for a normal day, I can't imagine trying to grasp it while you're on meds!!!

HI, well, I can't say I am anywhere as alert as usual. Thus I am being twice as careful. Titi remains normal in all aspects, except for copious peeing and H2o drinking. Well, also, seemingly abnormally hungry.

Thing is she has always been ravenous, from the day I pulled her out of my neighbor's insulation and brought TiTi and her 3 siblings home to now. She was about 6 to 8 weeks old then. I don't think her mom had enough milk, so I always subsidized it. TiTi was always the first to come to the door screaming for food. I think I should have named her Norma Rae. :)
 
Love it! Kathy, I am so sorry you have shingles! Hope they go away ASAP.

The rash has stopped spreading, and some red blotches are fading, so I think it's abating. Seems rather unfair, since I did get a shingles vaccination, several years ago. I guess I'll get a booster after this outbreak is over.

Exciting to be getting a handle on TiTi's diabetes. At least I think we are...
 
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