Robin&BB
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Thanks for the update, Karen. Will be watching for you starting around noon-ish my time.
+3 223 (.5u) New ProZinc user, Advice appreciated
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Sue and Oliver (GA)
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So probably his bounce cleared and he "surfed" along at the same level. If this is his pattern (bouncing right after the low and then flattening out) that is good info for you to have.
It will be interesting to see how the dose works this cycle.
It will be interesting to see how the dose works this cycle.
Robin&BB
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Actually, that's not bad at all, Karen.
He went through a LOT yesterday ... and this yellow you're seeing @ +8 makes me curious as to what his nadir might have been today. (Who knows?)So I will be interested to see what you get for a PMPS #, and we can all put our heads together then & help you figure out whether you want to hold this 0.5 for another cycle or increase it just a bit. (And you'll be around to monitor this weekend, right?)
Robin&BB
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Yes, I would refrain from feeding until then. But now I will have a question:
When you say "brown liquid," is this kind of a golden color?
Wren
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Something like the color attached. Maybe a little darker
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Oh yes! He NEVER has an appetite problem. Even if he rejects a certain kind of food he still acts like he's starving. He gobbles up 1 can as fast as he can in one sitting.
Robin&BB
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Oh, that's good to hear. That may even change a little over time ... (Although I must say that my cat's always been a "chow hound"-type kitty, even since her diabetes is well-controlled.
) How much food did you leave out for him while you were at work today?
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Oh, that's good to hear. That may even change a little over time ... (Although I must say that my cat's always been a "chow hound"-type kitty, even since her diabetes is well-controlled.
How much food did you leave out for him while you were at work today?
I just left the regular 1 3oz. can of wet food. I need to go stock up on more food today and I think I'm going to wait to look into the timed dispenser before I try frozen food bc I think he would just gnaw at it and eat it in one go.
Oh right, I wasn't able to switch over to this Purina One food slowly because I found out he had Diabetes and he was refusing the Nutro cans he ate before. His other regular food before that was dry and I was told not to feed dry with the Diabetes. Hopefully he will stop throwing up once he gets used to it a little more. I'm surprised his appetite for it hasn't decreased even after he's thrown it up.
Robin&BB
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There have been times that Ms. Bat has tried to eat what she just barfed. (Ick!)
Speaking of that ... if Micah ever does the "scarf & barf" thing, I found that raising my cat's dish up off the floor (using a shoebox is just about the right height) helps because then the head isn't kind of upside-down when kitty is eating (so is not fighting gravity). I also learned that if I give her about a 5-minute "food rest" halfway through her meal, she doesn't scarf it all down so fast. (She used to do that a lot more, back when her diabetes wasn't well-regulated yet, but now she's better about pacing herself ...usually
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Wren
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Yep that's what I was doing when Micah was drinking water so fast nonstop until he threw up. I made him take several breaks.
However this seems to be a little different than the scarf and barf because he doesn't throw up right away. It's more like hours later. Like when I heard him throwing up in the middle of the night. lol I'm glad he tries to make it to the litter box to throw up though. Kinda cute
However this seems to be a little different than the scarf and barf because he doesn't throw up right away. It's more like hours later. Like when I heard him throwing up in the middle of the night. lol I'm glad he tries to make it to the litter box to throw up though. Kinda cute
Robin&BB
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Aww ... what a little gentleman!
Here's another question for you: Does he have his own water dish that he alone drinks out of --- or does he have access to a "community" water dish shared with your roommates' kitties? (I was only asking because I measure Bat's water-drinking every 24 hours; can be a helpful secondary monitoring tool. But maybe that won't work for you ...)
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Aww ... what a little gentleman!
Nope he stays in my room and can't stand the other two cats. Being outside my room makes him nervous and crazy. He runs and hides in weird places. I noticed that he did drink more water than yesterday.
Robin&BB
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Bat has a smallish water dish: I measure out 8 oz. fresh water every morning with one of those 1-cup Pyrex measuring cups, then the next morning I pour what's left back into it and that way I can see how much she actually drank in 24 hours. (I do this at AMPS time, but you can always do it at PMPS time if that works better for you. ) Easy enough to do, and it really helps me see how she's doing (especially eases my mind on those days when she throws me a wonky, higher-than-usual pre-shot number). Cats don't naturally have a very high thirst drive; what I discovered was that when she was first diagnosed, she was drinking as much as 7.5 to 8 full ounces of water every 24 hrs! Now she never seems to drink much more than between 0.25-0.5 oz. (Even on the hot summer days, she only drinks, at most, about 3/4ths of an ounce.
Normal water-drinking for a 10-lb. cat on canned food can be as much as 1.5 oz to 3 oz. every 24 hours, however. But when your canned-fed cat starts going significantly beyond that level, it's a good indicator that glucose is out of whack. This is an especially helpful tool once a cat is in remission; it can be something of an early warning flag. And if I had been smart enough
to keep on doing it when Bat made remission in 2013, we may not have ended up back on "the juice" for as long as we've been this time around ...
(Gah, one of those live & learn things ...)
(Of course, this tool is worthless for most people in a multi-pet household.)
Normal water-drinking for a 10-lb. cat on canned food can be as much as 1.5 oz to 3 oz. every 24 hours, however. But when your canned-fed cat starts going significantly beyond that level, it's a good indicator that glucose is out of whack. This is an especially helpful tool once a cat is in remission; it can be something of an early warning flag. And if I had been smart enough
to keep on doing it when Bat made remission in 2013, we may not have ended up back on "the juice" for as long as we've been this time around ... (Gah, one of those live & learn things ...)(Of course, this tool is worthless for most people in a multi-pet household.)
Robin&BB
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Before I forget: Any water you may add to the canned food (I do add a little, because it makes her think she's getting some "gravy") does NOT count as part of the water consumed per day; only the amount a cat actually drinks based on his thirst counts in the daily total.
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Bat has a smallish water dish: I measure out 8 oz. fresh water every morning with one of those 1-cup Pyrex measuring cups, then the next morning I pour what's left back into it and that way I can see how much she actually drank in 24 hours. (I do this at AMPS time, but you can always do it at PMPS time if that works better for you. ) Easy enough to do, and it really helps me see how she's doing (especially eases my mind on those days when she throws me a wonky, higher-than-usual pre-shot number). Cats don't naturally have a very high thirst drive; what I discovered was that when she was first diagnosed, she was drinking as much as 7.5 to 8 full ounces of water every 24 hrs! Now she never seems to drink much more than between 0.25-0.5 oz. (Even on the hot summer days, she only drinks, at most, about 3/4ths of an ounce.
Normal water-drinking for a 10-lb. cat on canned food can be as much as 1.5 oz to 3 oz. every 24 hours, however. But when your canned-fed cat starts going significantly beyond that level, it's a good indicator that glucose is out of whack. This is an especially helpful tool once a cat is in remission; it can be something of an early warning flag. And if I had been smart enough
(Of course, this tool is worthless for most people in a multi-pet household.)
I haven't been as exact with it as you but I give Micah water in a plastic to go pint size container which is 16 oz. Before the insulin he would drink the whole thing in 12 hours. I would refill it and he would be done with it again by the morning.
Edit: update! Micah is doing a 224 at +3 off the .5 u dose this evening. I will test again at +4
Robin&BB
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WOW! He must have been peeing bucketsful of urine. Holy cow, that's a a lot of water.
(Definitely would be worth carefully measuring the amount he takes in daily.
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Wren
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WOW! He must have been peeing bucketsful of urine. Holy cow, that's a a lot of water.
(Definitely would be worth carefully measuring the amount he takes in daily.
HAHA Yes. I thought there was something wrong with the litter because it would just become gluey clay. But it was just Micah. Should I create a new thread?
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