Andy 1/13 - I'm perplexed

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Yvonne & Andy &BJ (GA)

Yvonne & Andy &BJ (GA)

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I am having a hard time getting Andy back into the blues. He had been doing best on 1u but now even 1.2u does not seem to be as effective. Nothing has changed - he's active, happy, eats the same etc. Could the ProZinc be losing it's effectiveness? Started this vial in October and there is over 1/3 left. Any ideas anyone? Thx.
 
Sue and Oliver (GA) said:
It's possible but it normally lasts longer. What would you think about increasing the dose to 1.4 and see if you get some drops?
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I think if he's still static by tomorrow, I will increase. I don't like doing it overnight because he dropped so quickly before on doses higher than 1.2u. He is just trying his best to freak me out LOL! Thanks Sue.
 
Yvonne and Andy said:
I think if he's still static by tomorrow, I will increase. I don't like doing it overnight because he dropped so quickly before on doses higher than 1.2u. He is just trying his best to freak me out LOL! Thanks Sue.
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He was 320 this amps so gave 1.4u in attempt to get him back to blues. At +4, he is at 218. The weird thing is last pmps he was 288, gave 1.2u and at +4 he was at 117. He is sitting here snickering at me!
 
Yvonne - I know what you mean about not wanting to give higher doses at night - is there anything at all that could be bothering him? Hairball? Is he scratching at something (ears etc) Just know you are not alone in this exasperation
 
There seems to be a big difference between daytime and night time cycles. What is the difference: does he eat more during the day? Does he excercise more day or night? Any chance that he can get into high carb during the day?
 
Carol & Murphy said:
Yvonne - I know what you mean about not wanting to give higher doses at night - is there anything at all that could be bothering him? Hairball? Is he scratching at something (ears etc) Just know you are not alone in this exasperation
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Nothing seems to be different - very active as usual. No changes in food etc. Just acting very normal.
 
Sue and Oliver (GA) said:
There seems to be a big difference between daytime and night time cycles. What is the difference: does he eat more during the day? Does he excercise more day or night? Any chance that he can get into high carb during the day?
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The only diff I can think of is a snack of EVO or Instinct at +4 or +5 in pm. Both are low carb but could cause his higher am values - BUT this is what we've done since we have him. He is out and about most of the day and night and a very active boy. He is still ravenous and very food oriented but I assume related to no good control yet. We have a lot of other cats so it is doubtful if he could find any "leftover" food as we always take up unfinished meals etc. We feed him in a cat condo because of his special food and not wanting him eating the other food. What is perplexing is nothing is diff other than his #'s.
 
Is he outside during the day or night? Could anyone else be feeding him? It just seems likely that something is different about day vs night because the numbers are so different.

It isn't likely that the insulin has gone bad or it wouldn't be working at night. My only other idea is that he has a late nadir at night, going lower than the blues you have caught and then he bounces up for amps and the am cycle is a flat reaction to the bounce. I suppose you could try to catch a +7/8 overnight and see where he is.

If both cycles were similar, there would be other explanations but it seems to me that there has to be something there between day and night.
 
Sue and Oliver (GA) said:
Is he outside during the day or night? Could anyone else be feeding him? It just seems likely that something is different about day vs night because the numbers are so different.

It isn't likely that the insulin has gone bad or it wouldn't be working at night. My only other idea is that he has a late nadir at night, going lower than the blues you have caught and then he bounces up for amps and the am cycle is a flat reaction to the bounce. I suppose you could try to catch a +7/8 overnight and see where he is.

If both cycles were similar, there would be other explanations but it seems to me that there has to be something there between day and night.
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I like your idea - we don't have good data for the night period - seems it could be as you said - thx for the suggestion. We had assumed since he got a nighttime snack that he would not go too low so never fully checked - I hope this is the problem.
 
Sue and Oliver (GA) said:
Is he outside during the day or night? Could anyone else be feeding him? It just seems likely that something is different about day vs night because the numbers are so different.

It isn't likely that the insulin has gone bad or it wouldn't be working at night. My only other idea is that he has a late nadir at night, going lower than the blues you have caught and then he bounces up for amps and the am cycle is a flat reaction to the bounce. I suppose you could try to catch a +7/8 overnight and see where he is.

If both cycles were similar, there would be other explanations but it seems to me that there has to be something there between day and night.
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Last night's cycle was higher but I still feel this may be an answer. I probably missed his nadir this morning - usually higher doses seem to occur earlier for him. But at least he did drop today, hopefully no bounce........ Generally and I know ECID (see I am learning :bookworm:), how long does a flat cycle occur in response to a bounce? Since he is a bouncer, I believe that may be what happens and I have not been catching it.
 
Yes, you are definitely getting it! And I have to say, he is not an easy cat to "get". He did drop and his nadir was in a "normal" range. And he shouldn't be bouncing from that for pmps; it isn't as low as we usually see a bounce from. He could definitely drop more and be very safe, but he is definitely been one of our bouncier cats, so I understand your taking it slowly and carefully.

Yes, there is that frustrating ECID thing. The patterns I most often see is right after a low (like 2 hours later) or the next preshot number or the next cycle which can look flat. Lantus users say bounces can take 6 cycles to clear; I tend to think ProZinc clears sooner than that but....The two that might fit that pattern are 12/13 and 12/14. You caught a blue early but he could have dropped lower. The next daytime cycles could have been the higher flatter bounce. Maybe last night might even have been a continuation. Then today he is back to flatter lower numbers.
 
Sue and Oliver (GA) said:
Yes, you are definitely getting it! And I have to say, he is not an easy cat to "get". He did drop and his nadir was in a "normal" range. And he shouldn't be bouncing from that for pmps; it isn't as low as we usually see a bounce from. He could definitely drop more and be very safe, but he is definitely been one of our bouncier cats, so I understand your taking it slowly and carefully.

Yes, there is that frustrating ECID thing. The patterns I most often see is right after a low (like 2 hours later) or the next preshot number or the next cycle which can look flat. Lantus users say bounces can take 6 cycles to clear; I tend to think ProZinc clears sooner than that but....The two that might fit that pattern are 12/13 and 12/14. You caught a blue early but he could have dropped lower. The next daytime cycles could have been the higher flatter bounce. Maybe last night might even have been a continuation. Then today he is back to flatter lower numbers.
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I just tested and he's at 388. Maybe I'm overanalyzing him but previously at 1.2u he was going blue at 3hrs so I assume he could have dipped before +5 this am on the 1.4u. I can't test after amps tomorrow am and will be away until abt +7 so I think I may scale back his am shot depending on his test of course.
 
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