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Fi & Archie

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Happy new year,
Im Fiona. I was quite active on this board about 12 years ago or so with my darling Alley, who, thank you to some tremendous help from here, lived with her diabetes for over four years before she died at 15. She kept very well in those final years with low insulin, high protein diet and home testing. This community gave her that quality of life.

so, here I'm back. Archie is 14, has been hyperthyroid for about 18m and has just had his second bout of pancreatitis. he's been terribly poorly but with careful management he's on the up.

But now I need to manage chronic pancreatitis. The vet wants to discuss steroids tomorrow and I am scared of their link to diabetes.

can anyone point me in direction of a good source of info on pancreatitis, diet and use of steroids. Mr Google is full of links of course but I know this community is hugely knowledgeable and would very much appreciate advice.

I can't offer diabetic expertise in return, my knowledge is just too out of date. but I can offer moral support, it's not easy managing feline diabetes but after the initial strife managing Alley became a way of life and she had a lovely final few years.

Thanks for any help
BW
 
Squeaker has pancreatitis every six months. I have yet to find any way to prevent it. And, as a method to treat or control pancreatitis I am very wary of steroids-------they are what caused Squeakers diabetes to begin with. DepoMedrol injections were being used to treat allergies and after only 3 injections in one year he collapsed. Diabetes and a host of other health issues were the result.
 
Hi Fiona,

I'm sorry to hear that Archie has chronic pancreatitis. My Saoirse has it as well. I hope some of the following might be of help.

First up, the IDEXX pancreatitis treatment guide has recently been moved to a different location on their website so the link in the FDMB Pancreatitis Primer doesn't work any more. Here's the up-to-date link to this very, very helpful document:

IDEXX Treatment Recommendations for Feline Pancreatitis

Although Tanya's Site's main focus is CKD, there is a great deal of helpful information about identification and treatment of nausea and inappetence problems, a lot of which is relevant for cats with chronic pancreatitis. There are many natural and medical treatments described there. On the site you will also find good tips on how to encourage a queasy kitty to eat.

Some of the meds used to treat/manage pancreatitis can be constipating (bupe, ondansetron). A helpful site in this respect is www.felineconstipation.org. I've started adding canned plain pumpkin to Saoirse's food along with extra water to help keep her properly hydrated (she stopped drinking from her bowl after I switched her to wet food and her BG became better regulated). From what I've observed of Saoirse, constipation can make a cat with chronic pancreatitis feel a lot worse. (The pharmacist dispensed a different ondansetron generic and it constipated her quite badly; we did not have a good time over Christmas.)

I think the trickiest part of managing chronic pancreatitis is found by many caregivers to be the identification of nutritionally appropriate foods that agree with the cat. It took me nine months to find a commercial food that Saoirse can tolerate and eat with little or no discomfort. Even that's not ideal because she has very early stage renal insufficiency and it's too high in phosphorus. Therefore, I have to give her binders. Sometimes the right food is the one a cat can eat. :( Feeding smaller, more frequent meals helps a lot. Timed feeders are a great investment for kitties with pancreatitis. (I've used several and my hands-down favourite is the Petsafe 5.)

There is debate over how critical food fat content is for cats with pancreatitis. Some cats are very fat sensitive. I think others (like Saoirse) may be more sensitive to some fats than others. There is a Yahoo support group for feline pancreatitis. You'll need a Yahoo email account to join it. @phlika29 (Sara) is a member and she says they're very helpful and knowledgeable. I think the consensus in that group is that less dietary fat is better for pancreatitis kitties.

There's a recent thread here on Feline Health with a good bit of practical information in the discussion. Here's the link:

http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/ben-has-pancreatitis.149407/

I would suggest getting regular labs done to monitor Archie's progress. Specifically I'd suggest getting a CBC and baseline panels for liver & kidney (both located close to pancreas), thyroid (pancreatitis can affect thyroid hormone levels), B12/folate levels (pancreatitis can lead to deficiencies) and, of course, periodic Spec fPL tests since the result is quantitative and may help to gauge effectiveness of treatment strategies.

In closing, there's an awful lot of trial and error working out a regimen that suits any particular cat. There's a lot of detective donkey work involved, too. I and others have found that any changes to diet or medication regimes need to be done slowly, and preferably only changing one thing at a time so that triggers might be less difficult to identify. Major flares can be awful - for caregiver as well as cat - so anything that reduces risk of same is a good plan. I keep a daily journal in Saoirse's spreadsheet. I have found it to be an invaluable aid in finding ways to manage her condtion (especially if I need to backtrack to something that worked better!). Be sure to study food labels thoroughly. Keep a log of any triggers that you may identify and try as best you can to avoid them.

Hope some of the above and the info on Ben's thread will be of assistance to you. Needless to say, any time you and Archie need help please post and let us know. There are several members here whose cats have pancreatitis problems.


Mogs


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Keep an eye on blood glucose levels, too. Granted Saoirse is diabetic and not all cats with pancreatitis have comorbid diabetes, but when Saoirse was receiving insulin her pancreatitis symptoms were significantly less, and they got worse again when insulin treatment was withdrawn. Other members here have reported similar observations in their cats. I wanted to put Saoirse back on an insulin maintenance program many months ago (once-a-day microdose with close BG monitoring) but could not get veterinary support for this treatment strategy. I had to watch her clinical signs deteriorate and for her BG levels to fall well out of regulation before I could get an Rx to start her back on Lantus. The first few weeks were shaky but she seems to be doing better now. I've been able to reduce her ondasetron dose and her need for bupe has diminished significantly since her numbers started returning to the tight regulation range in the last couple of days. For information, there is human research being done into the use of insulin in the treatment of acute pancreatitis. They have found evidence that insulin appears to have a protective effect on the pancreatic acinar cells. Here's a link to an article about the study:

Insulin offers new hope for the treatment of acute pancreatitis

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Thank you all so much for taking the time to reply and the huge info in your post Mogs.

He's just had a load of blood tests last week, liver and kidney fine, pancreatic markers up (not sure which ones) and interestingly thyroid has jumped out of normal too even though it was fine four weeks ago. Bit of a chicken and egg isn't it, which affected which...? I will look at the results and see if we've done the other markers you mention.
At the moment hes on pain relief and an appetite stimulant, fortunately he has remained hydrated and although the vet gave a very guarded prognosis on clinical signs last week, when the bloods came back and we knew we were dealing with pancreatitis the current meds have really perked him up. He's still got loose stool and vomited today though, he is still a poorly cat and the food is really the hard bit at the moment as you say. I was used to managing inappetance with Alley but with different (higher fat) foods. Im pretty sure Archie is fat sensitive as his first bout was following the intro of a high fat diet to try and increase his weight again as his thyroid function stabilised. he's gone from 4kg to 2.7kg in the past 6 weeks... :( his pre-thyroid weight was 4.5kg, weight at thyroid diagnosis 3.5kg... :(

Thank you so much, I'll get on with the bedtime reading
best wishes and thank you x
 
With regard to eating, generic ondansetron has been a gift from the gods for Saoirse. It's the mainstay of her treatment regimen. As long as she eats regularly that's most of the battle. Finding foods is the hardest part.

When Saoirse was going through the worst of her flare last year I fed her finely minced, home-poached chicken breast (meat only) - about 1 tbsp every hour. I kept the poaching broth and gave her 1 tbsp broth and 1 tbsp filtered water with each 'micro meal'. (Timed feeders were necessary). It kept food going into her and kept her hydrated. It was also quite gentle on her tum. I found that if Saoirse went too long without eating she had problems with vomiting. I did give her a few doses of famotidine to help with this during the peak of her bad flare but the frequent micro meals took care of the vomiting problem thereafter.

For the diarrhoea, Flagyl (metronidazole) is the usual treatment. Again, there's information about that in the IDEXX guide. Apparently Flagyl tastes absolutely foul so our vet gave Saoirse an Rx for Stomorgyl 2 (contains metronidazole and another antibiotic but apparently it isn't as foul-tasting). Our vet also prescribed Pro-Kolin kaolin paste with probiotic.

If you're not doing so already, I'd suggest asking your vet about giving Archie a course of B12 injections (as described in the IDEXX treatment guidelines). Saoirse got a course; it gave her a major boost and helped her appetite, too.

Sending a therapeutic :bighug: for you. Nursing a kitty through a pancreatitis flare is really tough on both of you. :(



Mogs
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... the vet gave a very guarded prognosis on clinical signs last week, when the bloods came back and we knew we were dealing with pancreatitis the current meds have really perked him up.

Saoirse was very, very poorly during her really bad flare; her clinical signs were abysmal. Frankly I was gobsmacked at the amazing way she recovered once we got some OK food and the right meds in place to support her. And so was her main vet! I'm very glad to read that Archie is responding well to his treatments. Long may that continue. :)


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Saoirse was very, very poorly during her really bad flare; her clinical signs were abysmal. Frankly I was gobsmacked at the amazing way she recovered once we got some OK food and the right meds in place to support her. And so was her main vet! I'm very glad to read that Archie is responding well to his treatments. Long may that continue. :)


Mogs
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Oops , struggling with phone lol

Archies B 12 results came back, that's low. So started a course of B 12. After reading I accepted the steroids. He's had full bloods and a chest and abdo x ray so not obvious reason why he shouldn't have those.

Good point about vomiting more if theres a long gap between food. I think you have something there.

So much useful stuff about prepping food too and I'm off to check out heated cat beds :)

Thanks guys
 
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