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SunshineKitty

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I hope this is the right place to post this question..we just started Jackson on the Prozinc last night, he's had two doses of 1 unit each. What happens now, as far as his behavior and symptoms? How soon does the insulin begin to work? What can I expect to see, behavior-wise? I've already noticed less anxious behavior and begging for food, amazes me if it's already working but perhaps that's normal?

Thank you in advance. I'm obviously new to all of this so thank you for bearing with me.
 
Hi SunshineKitty, welcome to FDMB! Jackson certainly is a beautiful boy!

In addition to the above-mentioned behaviors lessening, you should also begin to see a bit of increased activity, maybe playing more, or just taking more interest in his world and what's going on around him. He coat will also improve, becoming softer and silkier.

Could you please tell us a little more about Jackson? What does he eat, do you test his blood glucose at home, does he have any other medical conditions, those types of thing? It helps us be able to better help you! :):):)
 
Hi SunshineKitty, welcome to FDMB! Jackson certainly is a beautiful boy!

In addition to the above-mentioned behaviors lessening, you should also begin to see a bit of increased activity, maybe playing more, or just taking more interest in his world and what's going on around him. He coat will also improve, becoming softer and silkier.

Could you please tell us a little more about Jackson? What does he eat, do you test his blood glucose at home, does he have any other medical conditions, those types of thing? It helps us be able to better help you! :):):)

Thank you, Squalliesmom! I posted an intro in that section when Jackson was first diagnosed, and I added the few details I have in my signature, but I'm happy to tell more!

Jackson was just diagnosed two days ago, after a few weeks of me noticing that he wasn't jumping on things as much. The vet didn't suspect diabetes because he had no other symptoms - breath was normal, no increased urination or water drinking that I could see, and I'm home almost 24/7 with them. He suspected arthritis so we were giving supplements. Jack is only 7, btw. Well, Jackson is a begger, always asking for food, and I did notice that getting worse, he rarely wanted to leave the kitchen and wasn't interested in doing anything other than eating. I asked for bloodwork, the vet complied, and here we are.

I just picked up the insulin yesterday and have given two injections. We are feeding Purina EN because our other cat has pancreatitis. The medical folks said that food is fine for now, we're just no longer free feeding hard food as we did in the past. Now it's less food, only twice per day. They didn't feel that we have to take away the hard food just yet, will watch and see how he does. Too many changes at once for 3 kitties would be challenging, but I'll do whatever it takes. Right now nobody is happy with this new regime! ;)

I have not done home testing yet but did discuss w/vet who didn't feel it necessary at this time. I have read through these boards and see that the majority of you do advise doing so, I'm just taking this slowly and trying to listen to and trust my vet, while gathering other expert opinions!

Thank you for everything.
Michele, Jackson, Lucifer & Jezebel..oh, and a big dog named Loki, too.
 
Thanks for the info. :) Purina EN is a little higher in carbs than what we usually recommend our diabetic kitties eat. Anything over 10% carbs is high for diabetics. Dry foods, with the exception of Young Again Zero Carb and Evo, are all very high in carbs and lacking in moisture, and not good for diabetic cats; not really good for any cats, actually! I understand your problems, having cats with different medical issues and requiring different foods; in addition to my sugarcat Squallie I have a little girl with bad IBD (still haven't found a food that she doesn't have problems with!) and juggling dishes and feeding spaces to keep one from eating the other's food is a real challenge!

What type of insulin are you using, and what dosage is Jackson getting? What were his blood glucose levels at the vet's? I will never understand why vets tell their clients that testing blood glucose at home isn't necessary. That can be a quick road to disaster, or worse! Just last night, another new member here literally saved his cat's life by running out and getting a glucometer before kitty's night time dose; if he had not tested before the shot was due, the results would have been tragic. Think of it this way: would you inject yourself with a powerful hormone without first knowing if the dosage was right for you, or if you even needed it at all? Nobody I know who has diabetes would ever consider giving themselves a shot without testing their BG first! The same principle applies to our beloved kitties. Sorry for the rant, but this is something I feel very strongly about (you might have noticed that, lol) and I feel it is not only wrong but downright dangerous for vets to discourage home testing!

I also don't mean to overwhelm you with information, but in this case knowledge is power; the more you know about this disease and how best to handle it, the more you will be able to help your kitty. :):):)
 
Thanks for the info. :) Purina EN is a little higher in carbs than what we usually recommend our diabetic kitties eat. Anything over 10% carbs is high for diabetics. Dry foods, with the exception of Young Again Zero Carb and Evo, are all very high in carbs and lacking in moisture, and not good for diabetic cats; not really good for any cats, actually! I understand your problems, having cats with different medical issues and requiring different foods; in addition to my sugarcat Squallie I have a little girl with bad IBD (still haven't found a food that she doesn't have problems with!) and juggling dishes and feeding spaces to keep one from eating the other's food is a real challenge!

What type of insulin are you using, and what dosage is Jackson getting? What were his blood glucose levels at the vet's? I will never understand why vets tell their clients that testing blood glucose at home isn't necessary. That can be a quick road to disaster, or worse! Just last night, another new member here literally saved his cat's life by running out and getting a glucometer before kitty's night time dose; if he had not tested before the shot was due, the results would have been tragic. Think of it this way: would you inject yourself with a powerful hormone without first knowing if the dosage was right for you, or if you even needed it at all? Nobody I know who has diabetes would ever consider giving themselves a shot without testing their BG first! The same principle applies to our beloved kitties. Sorry for the rant, but this is something I feel very strongly about (you might have noticed that, lol) and I feel it is not only wrong but downright dangerous for vets to discourage home testing!

I also don't mean to overwhelm you with information, but in this case knowledge is power; the more you know about this disease and how best to handle it, the more you will be able to help your kitty. :):):)

I do understand but it's also hard as a new person who wants to follow vet's orders, you know?
 
Home testing is so important. Especially on newly diagnosed kitties. People are sent home with a dose to give. No further instructions except when to go back to vet. In my case what did I know the vets know more than me. Unfortunately it happens to many times. Cutting out dry food or cutting back on dry food will make a difference. I learned the hard way, fortunately Smokey is one strong kitty with no other medical issues other than age. Please be careful start testing before you give the next shot.
 
Hi Michele, I'm fairly new here too so I understand how you feel about listening to your vet. I felt the same way in the beginning, and I still go to him with info I've learned here. He didn't think it was necessary for me to home test either, but after reading here I decided to do it anyway. After awhile, I decided to approach the subject with him, told him I'd been doing it and showed him Colin's spreadsheet. He was actually impressed! He's fine now with my home testing and doesn't even require me to bring Colin in for a curve any more. Maybe if you spoke with him, he'd surprise you. My vet did.
 
I do understand but it's also hard as a new person who wants to follow vet's orders, you know?
Please don't worry, Michele. There are a lot of people on the forum struggling with this exact issue right now. (Just look at some of the threads about use of prescription foods!) Just something to consider, though, is that a lot of vets are not super up to date on treating feline diabetes, and if you ask 5 different vets about what's best, you're likely to get several different answers. Some people have even changed vets after learning stuff on their own, or have brought new info to their vets. I felt lucky when I first joined the forum, even though I liked my vets (and at least one of them was on board with everything people here were suggesting), because you get the cumulative knowledge and wisdom of people who've been dealing firsthand with feline diabetes for a long time and compare that to what you learn from your vet and other sources... all that info all together will help you make the best decisions for your kitty. So hang in there! You'll work out what's best with all the info you can get, which is really important. :)
Welcome to the forum!
 
Please don't worry, Michele. There are a lot of people on the forum struggling with this exact issue right now. (Just look at some of the threads about use of prescription foods!) Just something to consider, though, is that a lot of vets are not super up to date on treating feline diabetes, and if you ask 5 different vets about what's best, you're likely to get several different answers. Some people have even changed vets after learning stuff on their own, or have brought new info to their vets. I felt lucky when I first joined the forum, even though I liked my vets (and at least one of them was on board with everything people here were suggesting), because you get the cumulative knowledge and wisdom of people who've been dealing firsthand with feline diabetes for a long time and compare that to what you learn from your vet and other sources... all that info all together will help you make the best decisions for your kitty. So hang in there! You'll work out what's best with all the info you can get, which is really important. :)
Welcome to the forum!
Thank you. I'll be honest, I was a little taken aback and upset, feeling like I'm not doing "good enough" for him by not home testing (yet). I appreciate the warm welcome and support.
A quick backstory: this is a new vet, in a town where I've only lived for a year and a half. I had my old vet for 35 years. Yep, that long. Ever since I was a teenager, so I trusted him with my life. This was the hardest part of moving. Forget about doctors for me or my dh, it was all about finding a vet. We've already been through one that wasn't a good fit and I think I found the right one now, so I'm going to give him a chance and listen to what he has to say, while still learning more.
 
You're doing fine by Jackson! Don't let all the information overwhelm you, we pass on what we've learned so you will have options and can make informed decisions. Every cat is different, and so is every owner. What worked for one of us might not for you and Jackson, and that's okay! So take a deep breath and go hug him, and know that you will always do right by him! :bighug::bighug::bighug:
 
You're doing fine by Jackson! Don't let all the information overwhelm you, we pass on what we've learned so you will have options and can make informed decisions. Every cat is different, and so is every owner. What worked for one of us might not for you and Jackson, and that's okay! So take a deep breath and go hug him, and know that you will always do right by him! :bighug::bighug::bighug:
Thank you so much. :bighug:
 
I had my old vet for 35 years.
Just in case you haven't considered this, I bet that your old vet would be willing to chat with you about your kitty if you ever need another opinion. Someone who's been a loyal client for that long deserves as much! I bet he wouldn't mind giving his two cents on the important stuff once in a while. I've always thought about doing this if we ever move.
You clearly love your kitty and that's 99.9% of the equation for figuring out what's best for him! ;)
 
Just in case you haven't considered this, I bet that your old vet would be willing to chat with you about your kitty if you ever need another opinion. Someone who's been a loyal client for that long deserves as much! I bet he wouldn't mind giving his two cents on the important stuff once in a while. I've always thought about doing this if we ever move.
You clearly love your kitty and that's 99.9% of the equation for figuring out what's best for him! ;)
What a great idea!!!
 
I am so glad that you found this site. You have come to the right place for support. There are a lot of caring and experience folks here. You will be given a whole lot of information and at first, it will seem very overwhelming however in a couple of weeks, things will start falling into place. I did post on your thread in the Welcome Board site.

Good Reading: This is a must read. It is an excellent 18 page informative document that covers feline health and nutrition. Don't take short cuts and read it all. www.catinfo.org

Also read other postings and their spreadsheets. You will learn a lot more from others.

Home Testing: Here, we all home test. It is mandatory to understand how your kitty is reacting to the insulin and the dose. You will want to test before each shot and some additional test in between the 12 hour cycle. Another reason to home test is to keep your kitty safe. Find a place in your home where you will always perform the test and give lots of hugs before and after testing. There are many videos showing you how to test. Hometesting Links and TipsHere is a picture of where you test on your kitty. http://s106.photobucket.com/user/chupie_2006/media/testingear/sweetspot.jpg.html

Here is another good link on Home Testing:http://www.felinediabetes.com/bg-home-test.htm

Meters: There are many meters. There is a pet meter called the Alpha Trak2 and human meters. Some use the pet meter because it is what the vets use so the numbers will match up. The meter and strips are expensive though. Most use human meters that can be purchased at any pharmacy. It typically reads a little lower than the pet meter but we have ways of compensating those lower numbers. Many use Walmart's brand, Relion Micro or Relion Confirm, because it only needs a tiny drop of blood. They cost around $15 and the strips are around 35 cents each.

Lancets: These are used to poke the ear to get blood. There are many different sizes (gauges). It is recommended when you are first starting out to use a 26-28 gauge. Also, it would be a good idea to pick up Neosporin WITH pain reliever to apply on the edge of the ears and don't forget to alternate ears.

Spreadsheets: Our spreadsheet instructions are here. If you look at the signatures of the members here, you will see a link to their kitty’s spreadsheets. We keep track of all our tests. This is basically a place to collect data and help you to determine patterns, doses, etc. It also aids those that may be helping you to better understand your kitty.

Food: There are many reasons why we are here but one is due to feeding dry cat food which is high in carbs. You will want to consider changing your food to wet, low carb food. It is recommended to feed food that is under 10% carbs. Here is a list of cat food to choose from food chart you will note that the food with fish are lower in carbs however it is recommended that you only give fish once a week due to its mercury content. Many use Fancy Feast, 9 Lives, Friskies, etc. This list can also be found in www.catinfo.org If you are already giving insulin and you have not transitioned to wet, low carb cat food, be sure to test while you are transitioning. This is because by changing to low carb food, it could decrease your kitty’s number by 100 points or more. One last thing, many of us add water to the wet food so your kitty is getting plenty of water to flush out the toxins and to keep them hydrated.

Hypo Kit: Always good to be prepared for possible hypo events which means that your cat has reached dangerously low numbers. It can be fatal, hence, the importance of home testing and collecting data in a spreadsheet. In each of the Insulin Forums are stickie’s labeled Hypo Links. Here is one: How to Handle a Hypo. Please print and post on your refrigerator so everyone in your household is aware of hypo symptoms. You will want to create your hypo kit that would include and not limited to; extra testing strips, honey/karo/maple syrup, high carb food, medium carb food, vet information, etc.

Ketones: Diabetic cats are susceptible to diabetic ketoacidosis (DKA). It is best to buy testing strips that will measure (if any) ketones in the urine. One brand is Ketostix which can be found at Walmart or any pharmacy. You will want to test periodically unless you continue to get high numbers, then it is suggested to test more frequently. Ketostix typically costs around $10.

Treats: It is always nice to have treats available for your kitty. Some use it after they have tested to reward. I like using Pure Bites. I have found it at Petsmart and other pet stores. It is freeze dried and the only ingredient is the meat i.e. chicken, duck, etc. If your cat likes it, then I would go to the dog section where it is cheaper than the cat package. It is bigger chunks but no problem in breaking it up. Another option is to use Bonita Flakes. There is a link here somewhere that has a list of low carb treats but I don't have it right now.

Injections: Most folks here use one of these main insulins; Lantus, Levemir and Prozinc. Two hours prior to your insulin shot, you will not want your kitty to eat. Then you will test and then feed. It is best for your kitty to eat a little before your shoot. I shoot while he is eating. The reason why you do not want your kitty to eat two hours prior to your test is because food elevates BG numbers. So you do not want to dose based on a food influenced number. Here is a link on how to give injections.http://www.felinediabetes.com/injections.htm

Note: Please check your insulins as there are some (the harsher ones like Humulin, Novolin, Vetsulin, etc.) that would be best to allow some time after your kitty has eaten before you shoot.

If you have any questions, please be sure to post in the Health Forum.
 
Hi again Michele. So sorry if I made you feel bad. That was never my intention. I guess we all just get so excited and want to share our new ideas. Maybe sometimes we overdo it a bit. Jackson is a lucky cat to have someone like you to love and take care of him!
We are all here because we love our cats and want to help them feel better. It wasn't any of our intentions to make you feel badly. We are all just sharing what we have learned. And I know I can probably speak for all of us that we are so glad that you found this site to learn more about the treatment of feline diabetes.
 
Oh, I don't think anyone intended to make me feel badly! I'm just very sensitive right now..well, I'm sensitive in general but especially right now with all of this going on. I hope I don't sound unappreciative of the support and advice because I certainly do.

I have a couple of questions I hope someone can help with:

  • How do you manage the injections when you are going to be away from home? From just out to dinner to going away on vacation, I'm worried about being late for an injection, or my pet sitter getting stuck in traffic and being late.
  • How often do you feed? I eluded to this earlier and do have a call in to the vet to ask his opinion as well.
Jackson is dearly loved, as our his "siblings," and this is breaking my heart and really weighing me down with the amount of responsibility! I have been assured that it'll get easier but I'm still in a bit of shock over the whole thing. I'm doing fine w/the injections, am just afraid of messing something up and hurting him.

Thanks again.
 
I'm just very sensitive right now..well, I'm sensitive in general but especially right now with all of this going on. I
You are in good company, all of us know the overwhelming feelings of having our cats DX with diabetes. It's scary and it's confining but is does get easier as you learn more tricks of the trade. This board is awesome for helping each other brain storm dilemmas and dosing advice. If I hadn't found this forum, I think I would have been in big trouble. I knew that I did not have a lot of support from my vet and I needed more information and help.

How do you manage the injections when you are going to be away from home? From just out to dinner to going away on vacation, I'm worried about being late for an injection, or my pet sitter getting stuck in traffic and being late
That's a good question. If you have to be somewhere close to the time you need to shoot, you can shoot 30 minutes earlierif you test and know that the number is not to low and not a falling number or another words higher than the last number you got a test on. ie.: you test at +6 and the number was 250 and then you test 30 minutes early for the PMPS ( evening pre shoot) and the number is 350, you know that the number is rising not falling and you could shoot 30 minutes earlier. Now, this is assuming that the PMPS number you get is 200 or more. Your no shoot number is 200 with a newly DX diabetic cat.

The vacation, well I haven't had one since Bubba's DX. I will let others weigh in on that on as to what they have done.

How often do you feed? I eluded to this earlier and do have a call in to the vet to ask his opinion as well.
As far as the food, I did respond to that on your other post and this is what I had to say about it. Maybe some others will chime in and tell you their opinion. Here is what I said:

I only feed mine 2 a day, sugar Bubs and civvie. I couldn't find his nadir, (the lowest point the insulin takes him a cycle) with 3-4 meals a day. There is a controversy over how often you should feed a diabetic cats. Some believe it is better on the pancreas with several small meals more than 2 meals a day and others believe (like myself ) that cats are not grazers, cows are. Cats are carnivores and in the wild, they might have one high protein meal a day (a mouse ) and that sustains them till their next meal. If you cat has other medical issues, ie kidney or pancreatitis then you should feed several small meals a day. Once you are home testing you can try both ways and see which way his numbers are the best.

I'm doing fine w/the injections, am just afraid of messing something up and hurting him.
I think we have all felt that way too. As time goes on the anxiety diminishes and you get a bit more confident about everything. I am 4 plus months in and I still need help with dosing when he throws me a lower number. That's where the Spread Sheet comes in handy to look back at how a certain number worked with a certain dose. And everyone here is great about helping each other.
 
A lot of people here feed multiple small meals throughout the day with the idea that it might be easier on the pancreas that way. Sometimes you have to use an automatic feeder to be able to do this. I only did 3x a day (once before work and twice after), but there's some variation on what people prefer.
For doing shots when you are out of town, you can get a petsitter who is comfortable with doing them. Sometimes the vet techs at your vet's clinic are willing to petsit and then you know they'll have experience giving shots! Of course, you'll have to tell them what times to come and have them commit to that.
 
For me, if we can take her with us we will go on vacations. We bought a tent trailer so we can go to rv parks or we will find a hotel.
For feeding, we have a weird schedule. Hubby works out of state two weeks out of the year so we needed one schedule that would work for us both. So, we feed a tiny meal at 8am, the main breakfast at 10:30 with shot, then every fourish hours til 10:30 pm and second shot. When I test her during the day I try to coordinate it with her meals so I test before them.
We have been at this for about 6 months and I am still so confused with it all.
 
When I go on vacation, I have a pet sitter stop by to give shots in the AM and PM. I reduce my doses so he doesn't go low. He may be higher for a week, but better higher than too low. I know that when I get back, I can get Merlin back on schedule.

You mentioned you have a couple of friends that have diabetic cats. Maybe you all can cover for each other. I was thinking about getting a feline diabetes support group in my little community. It hasn't materialized yet but that way we could cover for each other.
 
Thanks for all of the input! My daughter used to be a vet tech and she's going to pet sit this week as we are attending an event away from home. We'll literally be gone 24 hours, and I wish I didn't have to leave at all until I am more comfortable with this whole thing, but it is what it is.
My friends who have diabetic kitties all live out of state, unfortunately. The support group is a great idea!
We do have an RV and we bought it specifically so our dog can travel with us. He's a bit high maintenance and can't be left with anyone other than close family, and since dh travels a bit for work, we needed and wanted to bring Loki with us. However, Jackson hates the car and I don't think it would be a good option for him. I'm hoping we find a back-up to our regular pet sitter as she is in pretty high demand.
 
I wonder if he would be more comfortable in the RV than in the car. Maybe he would be happy to hang out in the bedroom area. Just a thought.
 
I wonder if he would be more comfortable in the RV than in the car. Maybe he would be happy to hang out in the bedroom area. Just a thought.
It's possible, Dyana! Our RV is a weird design, no bedroom. It's called a Safari Trek, the bed actually comes down from the ceiling over the living area! In exchange, we have a large bathroom in the place where the bedroom would be. However, it's still only a 28' RV and I think it might be cramped with a cat, litter box, 2 adults and an 85 lb dog. We could try it, in an emergency, but I think Jack would prefer to be home in his own environment.
 
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