Is Evo DRY okay? or Young again 50/22 ?

Status
Not open for further replies.
smiley747

smiley747

Member Since 2015
I'm thinking of adding a bit of high quality dry to her diet since her waking me up at 6 or 7 a.m. on the weekends is not as "cute" as it is during the week :) The Evo is cheapest, followed by Young Again 50/22 (supposed to be less than 5% carbs) and then the most expensive is young again zero carb.
Just wondering what people use because these "experiments" get expensive LOL
 
also - what about walmart "special kitty" CANNED - is that high carb? I can't find the info on that
 
Robin-S said:
I feed the zero carb from Young Again and have great luck with it.
Click to expand...
Thanks!. I want to buy that just can't really afford to feed it to the rest of the fur babies. I would like to leave it down so she can eat when she wants. Maybe i can come up with something
 
Evo dry is excellent, and only 8 max carbs. They've discontinued several of the canned varieties, and now only have the wet in the 5.5 oz cans. Makes it too pricey for me (I have 6 cats) so now I'm in search of other low carb wet food.
 
Mogmom and Goofus said:
Evo dry is excellent, and only 8 max carbs. They've discontinued several of the canned varieties, and now only have the wet in the 5.5 oz cans. Makes it too pricey for me (I have 6 cats) so now I'm in search of other low carb wet food.
Click to expand...

Oh great, thanks!! I use the Evo turkey & chicken canned, but only for my diabetic. I feed her that in her own room. I think I might try the Evo dry (small 2 lb. bag at first t0 check how she reacts).
I will just have to hope the other 4 cats don't smell it LOL It's easy to hide from my dog
 
I tried Evo dry for only my diabetic. It caused digestive issues even after 3 months. I had to stop using it.
 
Mogmom and Goofus said:
Evo dry is excellent, and only 8 max carbs.
Click to expand...
A year or two ago they changed the recipe. The dry Evo Turkey & Chicken went from 8% to 13% carbs. 13% is still a lot lower than several of the other dry foods, but it was enough of an increase that I could no longer give it to Alex for treats or an appetite enhancer. We had to switch to Young Again Zero Carb.
 
I tried Evo dry turkey and chicken and it caused Squallie's BG to rise, but the weight management formula did not. Sadly, I don't seem to be able to find it any more, so we switched to YA Zero Carb, But that's a little pricey for me, with four cats to feed. I have almost completely weaned them off dry now, and our next move is to try Nature's Variety Instinct Raw.
 
Jill & Alex (GA) said:
A year or two ago they changed the recipe. The dry Evo Turkey & Chicken went from 8% to 13% carbs. 13% is still a lot lower than several of the other dry foods, but it was enough of an increase that I could no longer give it to Alex for treats or an appetite enhancer. We had to switch to Young Again Zero Carb.
Click to expand...

I'm curious to know where this info comes from as their website still lists the carbs as 8.41%. A couple of weeks ago, I spoke with an Evopet rep on the phone after hearing that they were discontinuing several of their canned foods, she said then that nothing else had changed. We spoke about the dry food, she said that actually it is sometimes LESS that 8.41% but they have to list the MAX amount that could be in the food.

If in fact it IS higher now, I don't want to feed it either, but I'd want to know where the info comes from as I've never been one to read something and then run with it.
 
Brashworks said:
Hey Tammy, have you seen JohnZ's 9Lives chart? Looks like a great option - he has updated the carb values and many are very low carb. You can see the post here or go directly to his chart here. Wish "Morris" still came to Canada :(.
Click to expand...


Thank you! I'm going to check it out. I'd been doing some serious food research but then my 92 year old Dad landed in the hospital with some serious issues, so it's kind of taken a back burner for now. He's home now, but the docs say we won't have him for a long time.
 
Last edited:
Jill & Alex (GA) said:
A year or two ago they changed the recipe. The dry Evo Turkey & Chicken went from 8% to 13% carbs. 13% is still a lot lower than several of the other dry foods, but it was enough of an increase that I could no longer give it to Alex for treats or an appetite enhancer. We had to switch to Young Again Zero Carb.
Click to expand...

I wondered about that. I read here that it was 8% but the bag said 13. I don't give it to Colin, but I've been ordering it for my other cats just in case he were to get into it, he'd be safe. It's a pain to order it and expensive. I've wondered about the Natures Variety Instinct Raw dry. Also expensive, but can get it at Petsmart. Do you know the carb count in it?
 
Sharon I feed it (NV Instinct "Raw" Dry) to my crunch Junky Picasso. It's 17% as far as I know - at least the chicken one is.
 
Last edited:
Mogmom and Goofus said:
I'm curious to know where this info comes from...
Click to expand...
It's not a recent change. The info is on the board somewhere. Someone figured out the % of carbs after the formula changed and posted the results. I wish I could tell you who it was or point you to the post, but I don't remember.

In the post above Melanie says it's 17%. It could very well be...
 
Last edited:
Boy, this food stuff can drive you nuts! :banghead::banghead::banghead: I just went to their website and checked again, NOW it says 12% carbs. Yesterday it said 8.41. The rep on the phone said nothing had changed, that it was still 8.41. Uuuuuhhhhgggg!!! I'm so dang mad right now! I swear I'm going to start making my own....

Now taking slow, deep breaths........:confused:
 
smiley747 said:
I'm thinking of adding a bit of high quality dry to her diet since her waking me up at 6 or 7 a.m. on the weekends is not as "cute" as it is during the week :) The Evo is cheapest, followed by Young Again 50/22 (supposed to be less than 5% carbs) and then the most expensive is young again zero carb.
Just wondering what people use because these "experiments" get expensive LOL
Click to expand...
I can't say "ok" with certainty, but I will say I started feeding it to both my cats in the spring and they love the Chicken & Turkey flavor. They've also tried the Salmon one. Sketch was a diabetic in remission at the time I started feeding it, and we alternated with low carb canned foods by BFF and Wellness. But then Sketch's diabetes returned and he ended up with pancreatitis. It's entirely possible this food had something to do with it. Since my local Mud Bay is no longer carrying it, I'm going to have to find an alternative eventually but for now I think I have about a 6 months supply of it, for better or worse. Meanwhile, I am having trouble getting Sketch's diabetes under control. Again, this food could have something to do with it, I just don't know. Trouble is these cats love their dry food and just sort of lick at the wet, rarely finishing the 3 oz can I put down twice a day for them.
 
smiley747 said:
also - what about walmart "special kitty" CANNED - is that high carb? I can't find the info on that
Click to expand...

I use Special Kitty from Wal Mart, but you have to check the carbs because they vary according to the type of food. Zoey doesn't like 9 Lives or Friskies much, but she does like Special Kitty. I use it occasionally with Fancy Feast Classics being her main food. It's nice to save money where you can!

Here is a link to the food chart I use: http://binkyspage.tripod.com/CanFoodNew.html
 
I use Special Kitty from Walmart, check Binky's new canned food list, many are actually lower in carbs than the Friskies and 9 Lives. My 4 cats seem to like them just fine.
 
CatX4 said:
I use Special Kitty from Walmart, check Binky's new canned food list, many are actually lower in carbs than the Friskies and 9 Lives. My 4 cats seem to like them just fine.
Click to expand...
Lynn, do you know how many calories and what is the ounce size? I was contemplating the 9 lives after the recent post from John Z with the caculations but, there are only about 100 calories per 5.5 oz. can and I would need to give Bubba about 1 1/c cans per meal to give him the calories he needs for his size of 17.5 lb.
 
Mogmom and Goofus said:
Boy, this food stuff can drive you nuts! :banghead::banghead::banghead: I just went to their website and checked again, NOW it says 12% carbs. Yesterday it said 8.41. The rep on the phone said nothing had changed, that it was still 8.41. Uuuuuhhhhgggg!!! I'm so dang mad right now! I swear I'm going to start making my own....

Now taking slow, deep breaths........:confused:
Click to expand...
I share your frustrations. When I called Wellness, they give you two numbers for each flavor. One number is AS FED and the other number is DRY. What the heck does that mean??? Very confusing to the beans.
 
I hear you Bobbie. I have been researching how carb content is expressed and according to Binky's site, the AS FED or DRY WEIGHT values are much more accurate for calculating carb content than the "guaranteed analysis" on most packaging.

Here is what the site says:

1.) Obtain "as fed" or "dry weight" values of protein, fat, carbohydrate, fiber, and phosphorus from manufacturer. Cross check: if you also have values for water and ash, the values of protein, fat, carbohydrate, fiber, ash, and water should add up to 100%. None of them should be negative.

2.) Calculate the amount of protein, etc, in 100 grams of food by dropping the percent sign. (Example: if a food is 9.5% protein, 100 grams of that food will contain 9.5 grams of protein.)

3.) Calculate total calories by multiplying protein by 3.5, fat by 8.5, and carbohydrate by 3.5, and summing the results.

4.) Calculate percent of calories from protein by dividing 3.5*protein by total calories. Calculate percent of calories from fat by dividing 8.5*fat by total calories. Calculate percent of calories from carbohydrate by dividing 3.5*carbohydrate by total calories. Cross-check: these numbers should add up to 100%, except for rounding error.​

Yeah, my head is spinning, too LOL, but I hope to use these calculations for some Canadian made foods.

PS I believe the "DRY" is just the AS FED with the moisture (water) removed.
 
Brashworks said:
I hear you Bobbie. I have been researching how carb content is expressed and according to Binky's site, the AS FED or DRY WEIGHT values are much more accurate for calculating carb content than the "guaranteed analysis" on most packaging.

Here is what the site says:

1.) Obtain "as fed" or "dry weight" values of protein, fat, carbohydrate, fiber, and phosphorus from manufacturer. Cross check: if you also have values for water and ash, the values of protein, fat, carbohydrate, fiber, ash, and water should add up to 100%. None of them should be negative.

2.) Calculate the amount of protein, etc, in 100 grams of food by dropping the percent sign. (Example: if a food is 9.5% protein, 100 grams of that food will contain 9.5 grams of protein.)

3.) Calculate total calories by multiplying protein by 3.5, fat by 8.5, and carbohydrate by 3.5, and summing the results.

4.) Calculate percent of calories from protein by dividing 3.5*protein by total calories. Calculate percent of calories from fat by dividing 8.5*fat by total calories. Calculate percent of calories from carbohydrate by dividing 3.5*carbohydrate by total calories. Cross-check: these numbers should add up to 100%, except for rounding error.​

Yeah, my head is spinning, too LOL, but I hope to use these calculations for some Canadian made foods.

PS I believe the "DRY" is just the AS FED with the moisture (water) removed.
Click to expand...

Yep, my head is spinning and from someone who is a math-a -phob....... I took Wellness's calculations of AS FED and DRY and subtracted them from one another and the difference was Dr. Lisa's Pierson's calculations or pretty darn close. Why can't it be an universal calculation???
 
Bobbie And Bubba said:
Yep, my head is spinning and from someone who is a math-a -phob....... I took Wellness's calculations of AS FED and DRY and subtracted them from one another and the difference was Dr. Lisa's Pierson's calculations or pretty darn close. Why can't it be an universal calculation???
Click to expand...

Even better, why can't they just put the proper info on the bags?
 
LOL @ math-a-phob Bobbie!

But now I'm confused. Did you say you subtracted the DRY value from the AS FED? If you give me the figures I'll do the math if you want, but I need protein, fat, fibre, ash and moisture content if you have them all!
 
Bobbie And Bubba said:
Lynn, do you know how many calories and what is the ounce size? I was contemplating the 9 lives after the recent post from John Z with the caculations but, there are only about 100 calories per 5.5 oz. can and I would need to give Bubba about 1 1/c cans per meal to give him the calories he needs for his size of 17.5 lb.
Click to expand...
I am not the best at math either! :rolleyes: The Special Kitty and 9 Lives I buy come in the 5.5oz cans. Special Kitty is $1.44 for 4/ 5.5 oz cans. I give Rupert a 3 oz serving (approx.) three times a day, so I cheat and put the food in a 3 oz FF can and weigh it. I know I could just do the math on the 5.5 oz cans, but I started with the 3 oz FF cans and it just works easier for me. Told you I was math handicapped! lol Gosh, Bubba is a big boy! Is he part Maine Coon?
 
Brashworks said:
LOL @ math-a-phob Bobbie!

But now I'm confused. Did you say you subtracted the DRY value from the AS FED? If you give me the figures I'll do the math if you want, but I need protein, fat, fibre, ash and moisture content if you have them all!
Click to expand...
Sorry, I only asked them for the carb count. Here's what I have:

Wellness
Chicken and Herring AS FED 2.10 Dry 8.40 Calories 196 5.5 oz
Turkey and Salmon AS FED 1.7 Dry 7.35 Calories 182 5.5.oz
Chicken AS FED 1.74 Dry 6.4 Calories 220 5.5 oz
 
CatX4 said:
I am not the best at math either! :rolleyes: The Special Kitty and 9 Lives I buy come in the 5.5oz cans. Special Kitty is $1.44 for 4/ 5.5 oz cans. I give Rupert a 3 oz serving (approx.) three times a day, so I cheat and put the food in a 3 oz FF can and weigh it. I know I could just do the math on the 5.5 oz cans, but I started with the 3 oz FF cans and it just works easier for me. Told you I was math handicapped! lol Gosh, Bubba is a big boy! Is he part Maine Coon?
Click to expand...
Yes, we think so, he was born to a feral momma cat. He was 25 lbs before DX diabetes. He is a huge cat length wise. We call him our Bub-cat (bob cat) HA
 
Bobbie And Bubba said:
Wellness
Chicken and Herring AS FED 2.10 Dry 8.40 Calories 196 5.5 oz
Turkey and Salmon AS FED 1.7 Dry 7.35 Calories 182 5.5.oz
Chicken AS FED 1.74 Dry 6.4 Calories 220 5.5 oz
Click to expand...

Sorry Bobbie, I don't think I can do much with those numbers. Did they tell you if the "carb" number was % calories of carbs or % carbs per 100 grams of food?
 
CatX4 said:
That's the Rupert I am talking about! He came back for favorites show too. I was a huge Survivor fan back then, still like it, but don't watch it as often.
Click to expand...
Me too! Used to never miss it, now I rarely watch. Rupert was curley haired and wore tie-dye shirt? He was like a gentle giant.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top