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Rusty14

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I just tested Rustys BG at 2 pm, 276, good. But I always do this and inject at noon and midnight! Woke up really late! Now I test, feed then inject at 6 pm, correct? Then back to normal tomorrow, right?
I'm so scared and frazzled now, and only have 5 test strips left!
Plus, most of you know I am agoraphobic, so feeling this screwed up, it seems I could go tomorrow and get some, even if I test him again at midnight, just to check, I'll have 2 left for noon then 2 pm tomorrow, then go buy some, right?
 
OK, then probably the best course of action (assuming you want to stay on your noon and midnight shot schedule) is to just wait until midnight and get back on schedule.

If you shoot at 6pm, you wouldn't be able to give another shot until 12 hours after that.
 
Rusty14 said:
I just tested Rustys BG at 2 pm, 276, good. But I always do this and inject at noon and midnight! Woke up really late! Now I test, feed then inject at 6 pm, correct? Then back to normal tomorrow, right?
I'm so scared and frazzled now, and only have 5 test strips left!
Plus, most of you know I am agoraphobic, so feeling this screwed up, it seems I could go tomorrow and get some, even if I test him again at midnight, just to check, I'll have 2 left for noon then 2 pm tomorrow, then go buy some, right?
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I agree with Carl. Skip the idea of injecting at 6 PM this evening and get back to normal, tonight... at midnight. From there, you're good to go again, tomorrow, at noon, as usual. You can test a few times between now and midnight, just to see where Rusty is at, then remember to pull his food around 10:00 PM, then feed prior to his midnight insulin. Don't be scared. It will be okay. But if you can possibly get somewhere before midnight to get more test strips, it would be a really good idea to do so... just in case he drops lower than expected, tonight. It probably won't happen, but you need to be prepared for the unexpected. That's the plan for sugar kitties. Please try to calm yourself. It really will be okay. Hugs. :bighug: :bighug:
 
Thanx so much, all of you! When I spoke with my Vet, who is up on diabetic cats and really knowledgeable, she said test (345) at 6 pm, feed and dose. Test at 8pm, (+2) then 18 hours, which will be noon
tomorrow, begin our routine again.
If I wait til midnight tonight, that means 24 hours without, as opposed to 18 hours.
She said these things happen, and told me not to freak out so much!
Sorry, got your postd too late - already did it, as you can tell, by the test number 345!
I think either way, he'll be OK. Just gotta keep track of his numbers, right? ♡
 
Rusty14 said:
Thanx so much, all of you! When I spoke with my Vet, who is up on diabetic cats and really knowledgeable, she said test (345) at 6 pm, feed and dose. Test at 8pm, (+2) then 18 hours, which will be noon
tomorrow, begin our routine again.
If I wait til midnight tonight, that means 24 hours without, as opposed to 18 hours.
She said these things happen, and told me not to freak out so much!
Sorry, got your postd too late - already did it, as you can tell, by the test number 345!
I think either way, he'll be OK. Just gotta keep track of his numbers, right? ♡
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That option works just as well, and yes, it's 18 hours vs. 24 hours without insulin. What I was worried about after your first post was that you planned on 6 pm tonight, then again at midnight, which would not be good. Glad you were able to contact your vet!

Yes, these things happen. If it hasn't already happened, at some point you will experience the dreaded "fur shot" where only part of the insulin goes in. If/When that happens, your only choice is to wait until the next scheduled shot because you don't know "how much" went in and how much didn't.
 
Thanx. Except I just did my +2 test, and he was up. 440, from 276 at 2 pm, then at 6pm, before dosing, he was 345! Now I'm scared again that maybe I did a muscle shot! (Not fur, cause he wasn't wet).
I'll test at midnight, just in case he goes way up.
Before I began insulin with Rus, he was never over 300s! So it always scares me with those higher numbers! I was using Essential Oils, most of you know, for hormone and insulin production, but didn't work.
 
Melanie,
Try to keep in mind that they're just numbers. You are collecting data, which is great. But a 440 2 hours after the shot isn't a problem. His BG should rise some after eating, and with Lantus, you might not see a dose "kick in" until 3 or 4 hours after a shot. And even if you missed with a shot, still no big deal. The important thing is the "big picture", not just the tests in between shots, or just one or two cycles. It isn't easy to see numbers you don't like seeing. But the only numbers that need to really concern you are when you see unexpected low numbers that you have to react to.

and.... we need to get you set up with a spreadsheet. It is a really helpful tool for you and for anyone trying to help you make sense of what is going on over time.
 
Is it Carl spraking? So many names in your profile! ;)
Yes, I've been told that before. Only worry about the low numbers. Real low.
I just never saw these upper numbers, even before insulin!
I am gonna test again at midnight, just to check.
Thanx, and I'll post if I get anything under 100. I know it's normally under 70, or around there, but I will let you know. ♡
PS) How come my thread is all in Bold? I tried to make it not, but it stayed Bold!:)
Not talking about the title...
 
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Yes, I am Carl. My kitty is Polly, and Bob was my diabetic cat who crossed the rainbow bridge in November of 2013. He was how I came to join the board back in 2011. :)
 
Hi Carl. I certainly appreciate your kindness and knowledge.
I also had a cat named Bob, when I was a younger gal! I lost him, too, but as said, ages ago. It's sooo difficult to say goodbye to our 'children'. ♡
I lost my Sammy in 2010, after having her 15 years.
Rusty was my parents cat, and I lost both in the last few years, so I took Rus. I had cared for them for many years, as both had bad illnesses. So Rusty, my very skittish cat, has known me well!!
But I just hate that he hides from me now, and acts frightened around me, when he does come out.:(
Anyway, I'll let you go, but thanx for posting. We'll talk again.
 
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Now I'm scared again that maybe I did a muscle shot!
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A muscle shot isn't a big deal... nothing to really worry about. Did that with Hannah just a few evenings ago, and all was well, no problems. As a matter of fact, that night she had good numbers (at least for her). I've heard others report that muscle shots can kick in sooner and not last as long, but I didn't find that to be the case... at least with ProZinc.
 
Thanx! His numbers were in the 400s at 8 pm and midnight, when I checked.
And this morning, same. So I shot at 11:45 am, and will test soon. My, does he HATE the testing! It's only been a week and a half, but he fights me all the way.
Can't do a paw shot, he won't even let me get sap and pine needles off his feet, without a wrestling take-down!;)
He's a very independent, set in his ways cat!
But I love him dearly, just the way he is! ♡
 
OK everyone. Tested at 2 pm, and got a 291. I like that number much better. But he did drop almost a couple 100s, so I'll keep a close eye on him, until next test, at 6 pm. (Albeit, he does sleep all day! ) Thanx! :bighug:
 
Well, Rus seems to go up to the 300s at +6 and by 11-ish pm, pre-shot, he's in the 400s again! I'm gonna test at +2 and +4 today, to see if that's when he's going lowest, cause he seems to climb after +2. Agreed? (He is usually always in the 200s at +2.)
Also, his PSAM is always 400s, as the PSPM is. ??? He started at least 1/4 unit insulin, and was raised to 1/2 unit 3 days ago.
Sorry no SS, but just can't do it yet! TMI!!
 
If he's dropping a lot (like over 50 points an hour) in the first part of the cycle, that's enough to set Rus up to bounce

It'll help to see his numbers on the spreadsheet though....If someone else starts it for you, would you be able to keep it up?
 
Yah Chris, maybe. I wish I could just show you mine - I've got it set up similar, but not all the colors and +s every hour!
I have PSAM, +2, +6, PSPM, +2 and of course, insulin times and amnt.
I've pretty much told you guys his numbers, and my wonderful Vet. She knows I suffer from agoraphobia, so she helps me on the phone, AFTER work! Gotta love that!
Anyway, we are trying to find when he hits his lowest point, as after +2, he very gently rises at +6, but then PSPM is always 400s, as said, and PSAM also. At +2 after his midnight dose, he's not as low as +2 after the noon dose, and he's eating both times! In fact, his appetite is still very big, and drinks lots of water. Probably urinating 5 or 6 times in a 24 hour period. Maybe more - I haven't kept track, but it seems like alot.
Almost as if, with all these other factors, that he's not responding much to the 1/2 unit Lantus. Or possibly just need an increase. But I will let you know his +2 and +4 numbers today. Plus 2 (2 pm) is always in the 200s. Then he slowly rises throughout the day.
That's all I got.
Thanx. :)
 
OK. Looks like no-one cares, or responded, but here's the numbers I said I'd post.
PSAM - 421
Lantus @ 11:45 am 1/2 unit
+2 - 284
+4 - 180
+8 - 315
PSPM - 495
Lantus @ 11:45 pm 1/2 unit
+2 - Not til 2 am, but usual is mid to upper 300s.
 
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Wow. I'm impressed. Couldn't open with Internet, so I tried Chrome, and saw it! But I still don't know how to get it going under my signature. Also, my dear
Chris, shouldn't it be in Google?
You said you could do it, but I am amazed! Can you add it to my sig. or do I need to on my computer? Can we continue tomorrow, or do I need to do something now? :bighug:
 
I've got them all, so we can work on it tomorrow, any time.
Thanks so very much! We'll figure it out. I have all numbers (PSAM, +2, +6 PSPM, +2) and insulin dosage and times.
Would that work for you? As long as I can change the dates backwards, I can put them in. It's just a matter of getting it on MY computer and signature.
Talk soon.
Thanx again, Chris! :)
 
you'd have to add it to your signature...and that IS a google spreadsheet :)

I'll try to contact you sometime later today (it's 4AM here) and we'll figure it out together
 
Oh my! Didn't even look where you live...why did you do that for me tonight? You should've been in bed, although it's 3 am here, and listen to me preach!
But, I saved your old posts with the step by step instructions on how to make a SS.
Once I get started, I know I'll be fine. I'm a huge procrastnator, I mean why do today what can always be done tomorrow!? ;)
Talk later. ♡
 
Morning, Chris!
We got a 336 at +2 last night (2 am).
Then, this morning, I had to test early, cause Rus was hungry. What else is new! Anyway, we got 474.
I don't give insulin til 11:45 am, but I think I can get him to eat again, if you think that's necessary. Is it? I thought, with Lantus Gargline, an hour after feeding is OK.
But, I'm going to try to make my SS today, on the computer. I don't know if you work, but maybe you can help later. (Not til thi s afternoon, as I have things to get done. I should be back by 4-ish. (Can't leave til his +2 test.)
Thanx Chris, for helping me with this. :)
PS) I just tried to add those last two numbers on the SS youade, but it wouldn't allow me to - probably cause I'm not named on it, or I don't really know!;)
Talk later..,
 
PSAM - 474
Lantus @ 11:45 am 1/2 unit
+2 - 351
+6 - 405
I don't know what I'm doing so wrong, I know I didn't do a fur shot!
My Vet and mentor thinks ee should go up tomorrow, as he's been on 1/2 unit for SIX days!
I'll keep you updated. :(
 
Rusty14 said:
I just tried to add those last two numbers on the SS youade, but it wouldn't allow me to - probably cause I'm not named on it
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Yeah, before you can edit it, I'd have to give you permission....If you'll send me your email address that's connected to your Google account, I'll do that. Just click on my name and then "Start conversation" and send me your email addy
 
As for feeding times....What's important is to NOT feed for the 2 hours before shooting, so that when you get the AMPS and PMPS tests, it's not "food influenced", so if you shoot at about 11:45am/11:45pm, you'd want to make sure he doesn't have any food after 9:45am/pm

Once you have the Pre-shot numbers, you then feed (to make sure they're eating "normally") then shoot....all within about 5-10 minutes if possible.

After that, we suggest "mini meals" since they're easier on the pancreas than feeding 2 huge meals a day. Just take the entire amount he'd eat and divide it into 4-6 meals. He gets one meal right after the PS test and then several smaller meals thoughout the cycle (but taking all food up 2 hours before the next PS time)

Some of us try to feed all their mini-meals before +6 (since the insulin is starting to wear off anyway and we don't want to add more carbs at that point) but some of us feed every few hours throughout the cycle....it just depends on how YOUR cat does. When you're doing your spreadsheet, you can put when you feed into the "Remarks" and see if there's any pattern to his numbers versus when he's been fed.
 
Thanx for the food info. Rusty is a 'grazer' so I'll just make sure his food is taken away 2 hours prior to his PSPM. When we get up, he hasn't had food yet.
Whoops! Almost just put my email on here!:)
I'll send you a PM.
 
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