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Thank you for your inquiry and your interest in FirstMate products.


It is important to first note that our company does not manufacture medically specific diets. Although our products have been successfully used to treat a range of nutritional health concerns, it is important to consult with your veterinarian before making any nutritional changes in respect to health conditions.


We have included the dry matter nutrient information that you have requested for our canned products in a table below.



Protein

Fat

Carbohydrate

Phosphorous

Sodium

Canned Chicken

51.6%

18.7%

21.3%

0.85%

1.1%

Canned Turkey

52.6%

18.0%

20.9%

0.85%

1.1%

Canned Salmon

61.8%

16.5%

12.9%

0.99%

1.1%

Canned Tuna

40.1%

27.3%

22.0%

1.2%

1.0%


Please keep in mind that because we do not manufacture medically specific formulas there will be some natural variation in the nutrient content of our formulas. Although this variation is minimal, it is likely more than seen in medically formulated diets for pets.


These are some additional features of FirstMate canned cat formulas that may be of interest to you.


• Free Run B.C. Chicken

• Free Run B.C. Turkey

• Wild Pacific Salmon From Sustainable Sources

• Wild Pacific Tuna From Sustainable Sources

• Ethoxyquin Free Meats

• No Thickeners, Such as Carrageenan or Guar Gum

• Pâté Style

• BPA Free Cans


We hope that this information helps you and your veterinarian to find a suitable diet for your cat.


Please do not hesitate to contact me directly should you have any additional questions.


Kind Regards,


Jessica Donegan, B.Sc.

Technical Associate

jessicad@firstmate.com

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Jessica said these are the numbers for the Free Run as well.
 
Critter Mom said:
Might be good for non-diabetic CKD kitties - the phosphorus values are OK.
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Yes. I thought it was a low carb food and low phosphorus too which is what I'm trying to feed Max now that he's got CKD too. They use potato in their food which is why it's high.
 
Thanks for sharing the contents of the new food.

Merlin is in the same boat too - diabetes and CKD. Ugh...
 
Then the % numbers are not directly coparible with the catinfo,rg food charts since those values for Carbs, Protein and Fat are in % calories from each of those. On a per weight basis, fat has over twice the calories than carbs and protein
Carbohydrate and protein in commercial pet foods provide about 3.5 kcal of ME per gram nutrient, while fat provides approximately 8.5 kcal/g. These values are called Modified Atwater Factors and are slightly lower than the Atwater Factors assigned for human foods.
from:http://maxshouse.com/feline_nutrition.htm

Thus, the % calories from carbs (and protein) will be lower than those listed above
For the first foo that results in the % calories from carbs being 18% compared to the % weight of carbs of 21.3
 
Larry and Kitties said:
Then the % numbers are not directly coparible with the catinfo,rg food charts since those values for Carbs, Protein and Fat are in % calories from each of those. On a per weight basis, fat has over twice the calories than carbs and protein
Carbohydrate and protein in commercial pet foods provide about 3.5 kcal of ME per gram nutrient, while fat provides approximately 8.5 kcal/g. These values are called Modified Atwater Factors and are slightly lower than the Atwater Factors assigned for human foods.
from:http://maxshouse.com/feline_nutrition.htm

Thus, the % calories from carbs (and protein) will be lower than those listed above
For the first foo that results in the % calories from carbs being 18% compared to the % weight of carbs of 21.3
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Thank you for that. Still unfortunately not low carb. :(

Also I wonder if any changes have been made as cat info.org info is over 2 years already.
 
Larry, they are not calories. They are dry matter percentages like on Tanya's list and Dr. Lisa has the dry matter as well as calories on her list. They are listed as a separate set of numbers.
 
tiffmaxee said:
Larry, they are not calories. They are dry matter percentages like on Tanya's list and Dr. Lisa has the dry matter as well as calories on her list. They are listed as a separate set of numbers.
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Correct but when caretakers here say less than 10% (or 8%) carbs then are referring to the % calories from carbs.
 
Larry and Kitties said:
Correct but when caretakers here say less than 10% (or 8%) carbs then are referring to the % calories from carbs.
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Wow. I never knew that. I always use dry matter as I learned from Tanya's CRF. That must be why Helen"s numbers are always higher. The difference isn't big enough to let me use this food unfortunately. Now I hate CKD more tha FD BECAUSE FOR NOW max is pretty tightly controlled. I don't know if that will be possible for long. :(:banghead::eek:
 
I also got the As-Fed values from First Mate and just ran them through the calculator and got 22% calories from carbs:(. Phosphorus is also rather higher than I'd like.
 
Wendy&Neko said:
I also got the As-Fed values from First Mate and just ran them through the calculator and got 22% calories from carbs:(. Phosphorus is also rather higher than I'd like.
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Have you found any canned low carb low phos foods Wendy? .85 is one of the lowest phos I've found that is also low carb.
 
If I did it correctly:

Percent of calories for Canned Chicken
Protein 43.6%
Fat 38.4%
Carbohydrate 18.0%

Percent of calories for Canned Turkey
Protein 44.9%
Fat 37.3%
Carbohydrate 17.8%

Percent of calories for Canned Salmon
Protein 53.8%
Fat 34.9%
Carbohydrate 11.2%

Percent of calories for Canned Tuna
Protein 31.2%
Fat 51.6%
Carbohydrate 17.1%
 
@tiffmaxee I mostly feed raw fuds. I have some Wellness Core Beef, Venison and Lamb in house. There are a couple of Weruva options, but I haven't found them on the shelves yet. Might be a Canadian supply issue.

@BJM - what did you use for the calories? I saw 140 cal for a 156 g can, so I think that works out to 90 cal/100g.
 
I worked with the as fed numbers, and based it on 100 grams.
I think it should still work out.
% weight of protein * 3.5 calories per gram of protein.
% weight of fat * 8.5 calories per gram of fat.
% weight of carbohydrate * 3.5 calories per gram of carbohydrate.
Sum the calories.
Divide calories from a source by the total calories.
Write as a percent.
 

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That's where the difference is. The calculator (Janet's) that I use has two sections, one for animal grade food and one for human grade. I used the human grade version as that is what they claim they use. The multipliers there are 4 calories per gram of protein and carbs, and 9 for the fat. But no matter, it's still HC.
 
For humans, we can use grams of carbohydrate and protein at 4.25 calories per gram and 9 calories per gram for fat.
Cats and dogs are listed at using them at 3.5 and 8.5 calories per gram, respectively, based on how efficiently their bodies break them down..
 
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