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Wendy, Marje does have them and she gave them to me in a conversation but have to go through them all to find them. What low phosphorus foods other than raw frozen are you feeding Neko?
 
tiffmaxee said:
What low phosphorus foods other than raw frozen are you feeding Neko?
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I feed mostly frozen raw foods, a couple of locally manufactured ones that I have the As-Feds for, plus Natures Variety raw chicken. I also have some TC Feline special low phos premix (special formula not available in the US) that I can add to plain meat. For HC, it's currently Weruva Grandma's Chicken Soup. Still searching for slightly lower %carbs, but not all the options are available in Canada. For example, Evo no longer sells in Canada and I've only seen a subset of the Weruva products. :rolleyes: Tess's Ann has a good list of LC/low phos on Tess's SS. Also on my list to try are the Merck 96% Beef and Turkey. I have a question into FirstMate - a local company that also sells in your area, to see if I can get the As-Fed numbers.
 
I'm just seeing about max's diagnosis from yesterday. Not good news, but kitties can hang on with slightly compromised kidneys for a long time. Punkin's CKD didn't have any effect on his life. We printed out the list on Dr. Lisa's site of low phos foods, circled everything with less than 8% carbs and went to 4-5 stores to see what was available. He & Anya liked some of them and that's what we went with. Good luck finding new foods that Max likes!

Sending you lots of healing vines!
 
Both my other cats had CKD. The first got lung cancer that the vet never detected. Tiffany had stGe 1 and did great for a year but the KD led to IBD that morphed to lymphoma. The oncologist screwed up and didn't protect her kidneys by not checking for a UTI that ended her chemo and remission. So indirectly she died from CKD. I guess that is why it's so upsetting.
 
:bighug::bighug:Elise, how sad about your other kitties. Not much wonder you are so upset. Tons of vines and hugs to you and your boy.:bighug::bighug:
 
I know they can't live forever and given his history it is amazing he's doing as well as he is. I'll move on soon. I guess I just needed a day to be upset. I would be a total basket case of I had to deal with what some of you have on your plate. My mom isn't doing well either and there are patterns with that too. Okay. I'm done complaining.
 
Its ok to complain..but I dont see it as complaining..just venting. you're worried and rightfully so. So sad what you went thru before with your kitties. And he is doing amazing! Hopefully Max has lots more time with you. We do the best we can for them for as long as we can. Try not to stress too much and just love him to pieces. :kiss:You know he can probably sense your stress, so Im sending you stress be gone vines! :bighug:
 
Maybe Max dropped under 50 last night and is bouncing today. He slept all afternoon but came in to make it hard to measure the insulin and is purring next to me now. I don't know if he ate or not as his food is in my bedroom.
 
Nuts, Elise. I just check yesterday's condo. So sorry. And knowing your history with your other kitties, yes, venting, fear, all that is expected. And we, you know, are the folks who understand....and are here for you.

I've been through CKD so many times. At home, at work, with friends' cats. Yup, nasty. But also yup, manageable. To a degree. And Max has you. That's his best shot for a long, happy, "continuing to be unpredictable" time being Max, our loveable, challenging, under-the-bed Max.

Adding more :bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug:.

Marilyn and Polly
 
Thanks Julie. I just was going over the food list on Tanya's site and its slim pickings for diabetics. Helen is updating hers which has 2014 numbers and will be completed in August and September.

Thanks Mariko.
 
I found at least 7 or 8 different ones that were less than 200 phos and less than 8% carbs. The Friskies Special Diet was available here at Kmart, of all places. The Newman's Own & Organix were available at the locally owned food co-op. Several were available at either the Petco (Wellness, Evo and Nutro) or the locally owned pet store in town. I don't live in a particularly big city but when I went out with my trusty list, I found more than I expected to try out. We mostly ended up with the Friskies, although I got Merrick's Beef and Turkey from the locally owned pet store. He liked the Merrick's sort of ok if I mixed it with something else.

Making a quick look at Dr. Lisa's list, I'm counting 19 that are less than 8% carbs and less than 200 phos. Hopefully you'll be able to find something in your town to try out.
 
  • Max did eat Friskies Special Diet turkey but it is being discontinued the company said to to lack of demand. I read that a few months ago.
 
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(((((Elise)))))

I'm so sorry, I have been so wrapped up in my own issues that I missed yesterday's condo and Max's CKD diagnosis. I totally understand how you feel. Vent all you want. You are talking to a lot of people that have been there and we get it. :bighug:

I have been feeding Dave's, Wellness grain free, Merrick's Purfect Bistro, EVO and Max Cat. The Max Cat duck and venison are both 8% and low in phos, and my kitties all love them. Most of the Dave's are in the 6% range and considerably lower in Phosphorus than FF. Ann swears by Nulo Freestyle. My cats didn't care for it. I have a ton of Friskies SD T&G that Rhiannon sent me. My kitties like it one day and won't touch it the next, so if you would like some of it, I would be happy to send you a dozen cans or so. Look around, though. Some stores do still have it.

Sending tons of vines, for both Max and you, and mega prayers for your DM. :bighug::bighug::bighug:
 
Thank you Julie. Lisa's list is old so when I look at Helen's 21014 numbers it is not so pretty. I hate to switch to a food that will disappear soon. I have about 4 cans of Friskies SD turkey that he would sometimes eat that I bought at Pet Smart. I'll call and see if they are still ordering it and when it will disappear. It will unless something has changed. A read a letter sent from them to someone in one if the lists.

Thank you Tricia. If I can't find more T&G here I might just take you up on your offer. If it is part of a rotation I guess it wouldn't be bad to use it knowing when it's gone it's gone. The Mauri kangaroo tested .84 and 1.24 dry matter so it's a lot less. The goat is also low and I have a can to try. I'll go buy some a couple cans of the foods you mention and see if Max will eat them. I try to avoid fish because it is so often an allergy issue with cats and pancreatitis trigger and the SD does contain it. I try for grain free for the same reason. Gosh it's so complicated but you guys are managing it.

Thanks for all your support everyone. I feel like such a big baby having such a strong reaction. I think it's likely his age and all these issues bring the inevitable a little closer to reality. He's overcome so much and I do know how lucky I have been.
 
Elise :bighug: I think you are having a perfectly normal reaction to news you didn't want to get. I was much the same when I found out about Sheba's CRD. It consumed me until I found out everything I could about the disease and got the food sorted. Once that was all organised I felt I was doing all I could to help her and I started to relax about it and accept that she now had 2 conditions. One that was manageable with insulin and one that was largely manageable with food changes, meds, extra fluids and monitoring. Adding cooked egg white further lowers the phos level of the food....you probably know this already. I give Sheba an egg white a day.
We are 8 months down the track with the CRD and blood work looks stable at this stage (anti jinx).
You are having a normal mamabean reaction :bighug::bighug::bighug:
 
((((Elise)))),
I am just seeing Max's diagnosis and wanted, like everyone else, to say that your guy is in good hands. I wish I could help you with the foods, binders, etc., but Stu had so many simultaneous diseases (all of which seemed to come on at once) that we didn't have enough time left to deal with his CKD. We were going to focus on the Hyper T first.
Anyway, I just wanted to say that we know you will be able to come to grips with this new obstacle. Max doesn't know he has CKD, and he may actually like some of the low phos foods. I have looked at Ann's spreadsheet of low phos foods and it is most impressive.

Hang in there.

:bighug::bighug::bighug: for you; scritches for Max.

Ella & Rusty
 
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Elise :bighug: I think you are having a perfectly normal reaction to news you didn't want to get. I was much the same when I found out about Sheba's CRD. It consumed me until I found out everything I could about the disease and got the food sorted. Once that was all organised I felt I was doing all I could to help her and I started to relax about it and accept that she now had 2 conditions. One that was manageable with insulin and one that was largely manageable with food changes, meds, extra fluids and monitoring. Adding cooked egg white further lowers the phos level of the food....you probably know this already. I give Sheba an egg white a day.
We are 8 months down the track with the CRD and blood work looks stable at this stage (anti
jinx).
You are having a normal mamabean reaction :bighug::bighug::bighug:
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Thanks Bron. I'm glad you all don't think I'm over-reacting. I thought he might be stage 1 but the larger jump really got me. We now manage 4 things:high blood pressure, chronic pancreatitis, diabetes, and CKD. The diet needs are so different for diabetes and CKD. Higher carbs aren't good for lymphoma either I learned the hard way with Tiffany.

So he ate thevFriskies SD turkey happily today but there is no more to be found. I'll have to try some of the other foods. For at least the next week I can give him some and Mauri kangaroo too. The replies sending me some goat rotary which has tested lower in phosphorus too.

How do the egg whites lower phosphorus? I thought it was just a way to get more protein into them without adding phosphorus. Is that what you mean?

Thanks for the words of encouragement Chris, Laura, Ella, and Marje.
 
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Thanks Bron. I'm glad you all don't think I'm over-reacting. I thought he might be stage 1 but the larger jump really got me. We now manage 4 things:high blood pressure, chronic pancreatitis, diabetes, and CKD. The diet needs are so different for diabetes and CKD. Higher carbs aren't good for lymphoma either I learned the hard way with Tiffany.

So he ate thevFriskies SD turkey happily today but there is no more to be found. I'll have to try some of the other foods. For at least the next week I can give him some and Mauri kangaroo too. The replies sending me some goat rotary which has tested lower in phosphorus too.

How domyiunmeando the egg whites and how does it lower phosphorus? I thought it was just a way to get more protein into them without adding phosphorus. Is that what you mean?

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The idea with the egg whites is to replace some of the meat with the egg white. Meat has a lot more phosphorus in it than egg white which has very little. So what I do is replace 20 grams of meat with 20 grams of egg white (Approx half an egg white) twice a day. So Sheba gets 40 grams of meat less a day which is replaced by the 1 egg white. It lowers the overall phos level of the meals. Egg white is said to be the best protein available. I boil the eggs, and mash the egg white in with the meat. If you mix the egg white with the whole meal it isn't much. Sheba eats it ok for me. You can go to one egg twice a day. I did that for a while but cut back....thought I would keep that for later when numbers are not as good. Don't give the egg yoke as it has all the phos.
Sheba also has highish BP, chronic pancreatitis, DM and CRD and on the whole we are managing fine....with the odd hiccup. So you will be fine I am sure once you have it all sorted out in your mind. If I can help in any way at all please ask me.
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