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ok. I got it! i've been working on this since about 2 pm. post office SUCKS. while I was dealing with the umpteenth PO worker, in tears making a scene mind you, i got a call from my building saying that it arrived. I gave her the dosage...i had to put it in water and syringe it...she's back to making foaming noises when I syringe food or water into her. She had been doing that maybe a week ago, but then she got better, as someone suggested, perhaps because she was getting some food into her...I hope I got enough of the pill into her..hard to tell.

Thank you Rhiannon for sending! The vet mobile owner called and said they cldn't fulfill my order, that the vet recommends either she come in again for another full blood panel or that I put her down, and he's leaning on the latter. They will not anesthetize her for *anything* even the feeding tube. They doubt very much that it's a fungus issue.

We ran out of fluids last night. I do have a script for one more ringers solution. I doubt we will be able to go through all of it, but am on my way uptown to get that...
 
A while ago I posted about the food I fed my remi when he was very ill. It is a food designed for feeding tubes and so is a powder that you make up with warm water and is very easy to syringe. I would say that without it he wouldn't be here now. I don't know if you could get it from a localvet but it might be worth a try as it is high calories, low taste (more like milk)

Royal canin convalescence sachets (or ready made in a tin)
http://www.vetuk.co.uk/royal-canin-...n-convalescence-support-instant-sachets-p-254
 
Wait twenty minutes after giving the ondansteron before trying to feed skinky so it has time to take effect.
 
hi!
ok - sorry if I sound utterly inept with this... In fact right now, I'm so scattered...she's being SUPER uncooperative w/ the pills, and because what I'm trying to give her is so small...well, I'll think I got it into her and and then I'll find several minutes later that she's spat it out. on her last poor hind legs and still a clever little girl. as I recall, I believe I "thought" I was able to get the fraction of the O drug into her at 630 pm. I also crumbled up another tiny portion and placed in her water bowl (which today, she is not drinking water). I had to run uptown to get ringers solution filled before pharmacy closed. when I got back I gave her the app stim, small amt. tried to syringe some food/cat sure, but she is smacking lips again. waited. tried to dissolve another tiny portion of the O drug in a syringe and syringed into her.

but honestly i can't be certain how much of what she has in her. i'm erring on the side of supreme caution with dosing. but my syringes often explode or get stuck; i think she got the dose of O into her this time from my syringe. she's just lying down. i have a water bowl and catsure bowl, she's not paying attention to either. I will say she is not crying, which is what happened last time when I gave her the app stim w/o the anti nausea drug.

I really hate to sound so inept. I keep thinking she's gotten a dose in and then either find a fraction of a pill on the bed and i don't know how long it's been there, or she'll magically produce a pill MINUTES later and spit it out.

I have doctors appt in morning, am hoping so much to get her app working so she can try to eat a little food or drink some catsure on her own...

i don't want to overdose her w/ anything...

suggestions on these please??
 
I would say that to know you got it in....

I would butter the pill a little.... or if there is anything, anything at all that you could hide the pill in.... she might even like the butter , some cats do.....
and push it as far back in her throat as possible....

then follow it with water in a syringe....


that's what I have to do.... but mine is not as fragile.
But I always get the pill down....
 
How much of the ondansetron have you used so far, Laura? (i.e. how much of the tablet is left). Also how much of a cyproheptadine tablet did you give?

What strength are the tablets? (e.g. 4mg ondansetron? 4mg cyproheptadine? or other strength(s)?)
 
I dissolve tablets in the oral syringe and give as a liquid, sometimes mix in a bit of food to cover the taste. It seems easier to get it in sometimes.
 
The O drug is 4 mg and I believe Rhiannon cut them into 1/4 pieces? so if she got it in she should have 1 mg...

the Cypro pill was 4 mg, and i tried to cut it into 4 pieces..but you know it turns into like 5 pieces...i gave her probably less than a 1/4 of it... i have water bowl and cat sure, etc. she's not really interested in any of it. when i bring out a new can of something, she perks up, smells it, then turns her face away..

been giving very small syringes to her and then waiting, as she is back to making the gurgling sounds after i give her food. this had stopped for several days, am disheartened that these sounds are back. she's had so little today to eat because i wasn't home much between PO stuff and then pharmacy run...and then tomorrow leaving at 8 for doc appt...just trying to get more food into her..

also, vet mobile mgr said that if she isn't getting a whole can of food into her daily she risks lipidosis. Really? a whole can daily??


BJM said:
I dissolve tablets in the oral syringe and give as a liquid, sometimes mix in a bit of food to cover the taste. It seems easier to get it in sometimes.
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hi, nope...never tried the egg...
vet said half pill for the app stim. 2 mg. i think that might have been too much.

i think this might be it. and i still go back and forth. here she is curled up in my lap. looking peaceful. but just moments prior she seemed so sad and really seemed like she just wanted to be left alone.
 
Sorry for not getting back sooner, Laura.

I've seen that amount prescribed before. Someone I know whose cat got 2mg and became drowsy and a bit mopey at first - cyproheptadine is a drowsy-making antihistamine but it wore off. My vet recommended 1/4 tablet cypro every 8-12 hours - Saoirse's bodyweight is 4.5kg. Her dosage for ondansetron was 4mg / day but I gave her 2 x 2mg every twelve hours after double-checking with the vet that it would be OK (Saoirse's med sensitive). That's information, not advice, Laura. I honestly don't know what would be right for Skinky.

I've just seen your video. I can see how very much you love each other. Skinky's so lovely ...

Praying for you both ...

((((Laura and Skinky))))


And Skinky couldn't have a more loving mom.
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Oh goodness...she loves you so much. You can see it in her sweet little face all cuddle up on you. ((hugs)) to you, Laura and scritches for that sweet girl, Skinky. Keeping you both in my prayers.
 
You're both in my thoughts and prayers, Laura. I hope that you and your beautiful, brave girl are snuggled up in the warmth of each others' love.

((((Laura and Skinky))))
 
I sit my cat in front of me on a chair. Get the syringe and tablet ready and with my thumb I apply gentle pressure to the corner of his mouth and it pops open. I then sort of gently throw /place the tablet to the back of his throat with my other hand and then remove the pressure of my thumb and close his mouth. I then follow with the water in the syringe.

I know you are struggling with what to do for the best at the moment and you may have missed something that was posted by Jill. I will repost as it may help your decision

My thoughts are with you and skinky

Jill & Alex (GA) said:
(((Laura and Skinky)))


I'm hoping for the best. We all are. My thoughts and prayers are with both of you, but I also wanted to give you a quality of life assessment tool I've used when I've been in some tough situations with pets. Maybe you'll find it useful...

Deciding When & How To Humanely Euthanize a Companion Animal by Eric L. Nelson, MS, MA and Sharon Zito, DVM

:bighug::bighug::bighug:
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I am so very sorry.

When you say nothing is working do you mean you can't get the tablets into her or the tablets aren't working. I would be concerned that by trying to dissolve the tablet in water it might not work/get where it is needed.

Have you tried just syringing water into her. If she is very dehydrated she won't feel up to anything. You could try doing this carefully every 30 minutes for the next couple of hours.

Do you feel the quality of her life has deteriorated in the last day or so?
 
I would have to take her to the humane society. crowds, trains, barking dogs. the vets that come to your home are ridiculously expensive.

I crumbled the tablets and stuck the powder on her tongue and then syringed water into her..
last night i bought ringers solution or her for hydration...
 
i videotaped her responses after syringing... when video starts, this is JUST after I gave her a small amount of syringe food. then i put the phone down, gave her another squirt and immediately got her reaction. you can see she's agitated. then she wants to leave my lap. this is a girl who could stay on my lap FOREVER. and doncha know, she circled around, and jumped back on the loveseat and is next to me now.

but what is this reaction and these noises? not the lip smacking, but the gurgling...???

 
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I'm half deaf so I can't hear much and I have the volume as high as it will go.

Remind me, did she ever have a x-ray of her lungs?
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no...no xray. we were going to but then vet thought she was too weak for the anesthesia. it did at one point sound like there was congestion in her lungs. that was another symptom of the crypto fungus. and sometimes when she breathes - mostly after i feed her or put her down after carrying her, she has a very labored breathing pattern...i think it's from exertion or excitement...her heart maybe?
 
the vet called. brief conversation but he said the noises were because it was difficult for her to eat. i said - because of the 'tumor', he said yes. he still thinks it's cancer..but w/o diagnostics it's just an educated guess...perhaps he is right..
 
Hi Aine, she has. I gave a dosage to her this morning around 7 am...and then i gave her a dosage around 1230/1...

I'm taking the dosage that Rhiannon cut for me and actually making it a little smaller and crumbling it into a powder and placing it on her tongue and then a quick syringe of water...
 
rhiannon and shadow said:
have you been to Reade Street animal hospital... says she makes house calls.... Dr. Mary Xanthos
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$90 for office visit. doctors use their discretion for home visits, no set price. doctors not available on saturday for home visits. euthanasia is 150, plus 105 for cremation WITHOUT getting ashes back, PLUS office visit of $90.00. $345 to supposedly humanely put your animal to sleep. just wondering how that fares with the rest of the states out there? it ticks me the heck off. But that isn't why i'm holding on. I would bring her to the humane society, not my ideal place, but they charge $71.00.

Lower east side animal hospital is 250 for an xray alone, w/o anesthesia. And people wonder why there are so many abandoned animals in new york. but maybe these are prices and situation everywhere.
 
Critter Mom said:
I wish it would kick in...

((((Laura and Skinky))))
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me too!!

but she's had it in her system for almost 24 hours w/ at least three doses...perhaps as Rhiannon suggested, I should not "hold back" and give her the full dose... I guess i'm nervous because she is less than 6 lbs and I read that the dosage is something like .11 mg per pound...

next dosage i'll give her the full 1 mg...
 
I just called The Reade vet.

I see what you mean.... $250 for euthanasia ... about that for cremation too.
The vet doesn't feel comfortable coming to your house ( which would cost more) since she hasn't seen your cat already.


I paid $200 two years ago for a mobile vet to come to the house to put my son's cat to sleep.
 
rhiannon and shadow said:
I just called The Reade vet.

I see what you mean.... $250 for euthanasia ... about that for cremation too.
The vet doesn't feel comfortable coming to your house ( which would cost more) since she hasn't seen your cat already.


I paid $200 two years ago for a mobile vet to come to the house to put my son's cat to sleep.
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she said that they charge the office visit on top of that! I guess because I haven't been there before. Because we don't have backyards here, most of us new yorkers have to get the cremation done...we can do group cremation cheaper and not get the ashes back or individual cremation which is more expensive and get the ashes back. I did read positive yelp reviews about them though. Apart from the Humane Society, 200 - 300 is the going rate here, for euthanasia at the office. At the Humane Society, the other nice thing, other than the low price, is that for the most part I can just come in without an appointment...just has to be during certain hours, like 10 - 12 and 130 - 3...something like that.

i hate even talking about this. :(
 
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