Tried the hills dry and wet

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smiley747 said:
So much for the vets advice on food. The hills dry spiked her sugar and the wet too. She went from 287 (friskies and 9 lives) to 388 right away on hills. No more hills for sure. Have an order of Evo turkey and chicken on the way.
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Was afraid that's what you'd see ... but look at it this way: At least you got to see for yourself what some of those Rx diet formulas can do to BG levels.:rolleyes:
(Kind of like you did your very own scientific research, huh?:))
 
while you're waiting on your order, if you want to lower the carb load you can try adding 20% cooked chicken (no spices or onions) to the mix.
 
The Vet called this morning. I told her that her glucose went from 267 to 388 with the Hills. And she said go back to "whatever" i was feeding (I had told her 9 lives and friskies lol) It was worth a shot and now she knows. She suggested bringing the food in for refund as well!
 
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The Vet called this morning. I told her that her glucose went from 267 to 388 with the Hills. And she said go back to "whatever" i was feeding (I had told her 9 lives and friskies lol) It was worth a shot and now she knows. She suggested bringing the food in for refund as well!
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Hey, that's what I'd call a win-win: Not only will you get a refund; you also did your part to educate a vet about food! Yay for YOU!!! :)

Am so glad to hear that your kitty's UTI is gone, too!:cat:
 
UNBELIEVABLE 24 hours after starting hills dry (and wet) md her glucose went up over 100 pts. 24 hours after STOPPING HILLS MD dropped one hundred pts. yesterday 346 ... Today after back on 9 lives .. Lowest reading to date.. 244.
Can't wait to see if the EVO turkey n chicken food will drop it lower. Should be here tomorrow. Maybe its just inexperience but im feeling hopeful :) I will update her gluc. After she tries the EVO. Also read about blood sugar gold herbal supplement. I know Its been discussed here before. I MIGHT try it as well. I plan to give the vet my info on a piece of paper proving hills is not a good idea. Hopefully they can one day stop recommending this kind of food.
 
smiley747 said:
UNBELIEVABLE 24 hours after starting hills dry (and wet) md her glucose went up over 100 pts. 24 hours after STOPPING HILLS MD dropped one hundred pts. yesterday 346 ... Today after back on 9 lives .. Lowest reading to date.. 244.
Can't wait to see if the EVO turkey n chicken food will drop it lower. Should be here tomorrow. Maybe its just inexperience but im feeling hopeful :) I will update her gluc. After she tries the EVO. Also read about blood sugar gold herbal supplement. I know Its been discussed here before. I MIGHT try it as well. I plan to give the vet my info on a piece of paper proving hills is not a good idea. Hopefully they can one day stop recommending this kind of food.
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Wow, that's really something! I'm excited for you! BTW ... is your cat's name Smiley? And what's your first name, if you don't mind giving it?
Thanks! - Robin:)
 
Robin&BB said:
Wow, that's really something! I'm excited for you! BTW ... is your cat's name Smiley? And what's your first name, if you don't mind giving it?
Thanks! - Robin:)
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Thanks. I'm psyched. trying to help this shelter kitty. Her name is Brandy. Mine is Smiley - nickname
 
last night we were play wrestling, joking around and I made a loud noise and Brandy came running to me and she laid on me and nudged his hands away with her head!!!
Then she laid down on my shoulder, and stayed for a long time.I think she was actually protecting me! I've never seen a cat do that. My dog, yes..but never a cat. Animals really are wonderful -
so much better than most people lol I wonder if animals know that you love them and if they know you're trying to save them.
 
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last night we were play wrestling, joking around and I made a loud noise and Brandy came running to me and she laid on me and nudged his hands away with her head!!!
Then she laid down on my shoulder, and stayed for a long time.I think she was actually protecting me! I've never seen a cat do that. My dog, yes..but never a cat. Animals really are wonderful -
so much better than most people lol I wonder if animals know that you love them and if they know you're trying to save them.
Wow, that's really something! I'm excited for you! BTW ... is your cat's name Smiley? And what's your first name, if you don't mind giving it?
Thanks! - Robin:)
Thanks. I'm psyched. trying to help this shelter kitty. Her name is Brandy. Mine is Smiley - nickname
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Awww ... that's so sweet - Brandy protecting her adoptive mom!!!:cat: That's what's so great about our pets: Unconditional LOVE.
Well, Smiley - now I know what to call you! (And you get to use those ":):):)s" a whole lot, right?;))
 
smiley747 said:
I wonder if animals know that you love them and if they know you're trying to save them.
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There is not one shred of doubt in my mind that animals know when you are trying to help them. One of my first rescues, Psycho (named that for a reason) was a very nervous cat and I just could not seem to reach him (unlike his sister, Tara, who was more like a dog in a cat suit - she adored humans and they adored her back.). He was a bit of a divil for scrapping with other neighbours' cats. One day I noticed that he had developed a small abscess from a puncture wound and took him to the vets for treatment. The vets accidentally cut his whiskers when they were trimming his fur. Thanks to that screw up, a few days later poor Psycho got a thorn in his eye. Thankfully the vets were able to remove it and save both his eye and his sight: he even had a kitty contact lens! The pertinent part of this story is that he came - unusually - to seek attention when his eye got hurt. After his successful treatment, he became a really affectionate snuggle bug! The transformation was amazing. He finally believed he was loved, that he could trust that love, and that I would help him any time something might be wrong. He could finally let his guard down. Whereas I wish he had never had his eye injured like that, the serendipitous upside of the injury is that Psycho spent the rest of his life feeling safe and loved instead of scared and insecure.

It is amazing what can happen between a cat and a human when you help them. Cats are notorious for hiding illness. So many cats here hide it so well that they can be very, very sick when they are finally diagnosed. It is amazing to hear the stories of many cats (my own included) who are cranky and unsettled when their testing and treatment first starts but who very soon start jumping up to their testing stations to let their humans know it's time to check their blood glucose. Cats are smart. As their blood sugar levels start to improve most cats quickly make the connection between the human pokey-pointy weirdness and their feeling a lot better. When they do purr at their testing station, it's not just for the treats. They feel their humans' love and they respond with greater trust and deepened love. From a human perspective, it is an extraordinarily powerful feeling to be trusted so completely, openly, and unquestioningly by such small and completely vulnerable but highly discerning living beings.

smiley747 said:
I think she was actually protecting me! I've never seen a cat do that.
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Cats are very protective of humans they love and who love them. Spookily enough, it was Psycho that first helped me to discover this. Occasionally we would get neighbourhood cats sneaking through the cat flap at night. Because I had it set to only open inwards they could not get out again. One night I was awakened by odd noises in the house. Psycho made it very obvious he wanted my attention (unusual for him). I heard a noise downstairs and went to investigate, with Psycho bringing up the rear. I discovered a neighbourhood cat stuck in the kitchen pawing at the cat flap. Psycho was very nervous and agitated while I was descending the stairs but then the trapped visitor growled. To my utter amazement Psycho scooted around me and placed himself between me and the intruder and put on a major threat display. This small, svelte, black kitty was protecting all five feet six inches of me! I could not get over it! And this was before the events described above. He might not yet have been able to trust my love for him, but when the chips were down he didn't hesitate to show his love for me. Melts my heart to this day remembering his love and his bravery. I felt humbled by it. He was actually a very gentle wuss puss by nature. I love him dearly and I will miss him till the day that I breathe my last.

I think Brandy loves you very much, Smiley. :cat:



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There is not one shred of doubt in my mind that animals know when you are trying to help them. One of my first rescues, Psycho (named that for a reason) was a very nervous cat and I just could not seem to reach him (unlike his sister, Tara, who was more like a dog in a cat suit - she adored humans and they adored her back.). He was a bit of a divil for scrapping with other neighbours' cats. One day I noticed that he had developed a small abscess from a puncture wound and took him to the vets for treatment. The vets accidentally cut his whiskers when they were trimming his fur. Thanks to that screw up, a few days later poor Psycho got a thorn in his eye. Thankfully the vets were able to remove it and save both his eye and his sight (he even had a kitty contact lens!). The pertinent part of this story is that he came - unusually - to seek attention when his eye got hurt. After his successful treatment, he became a really affectionate snuggle bug! The transformation was amazing. He finally believed he was loved, that he could trust that love, and that I would help him any time something might be wrong. He could finally let his guard down. Whereas I wish he had never had his eye injured like that, the serendipitous upside of the injury is that Psycho spent the rest of his life feeling safe and loved instead of scared and insecure.

It is amazing what can happen between a cat and a human when you help them. Cats are notorious for hiding illness. So many cats here hide it so well that they can be very, very sick when they are finally diagnosed. It is amazing to hear the stories of many cats (my own included) who are cranky and unsettled when their testing and treatment first starts but who very soon start jumping up to their testing stations to let their humans know it's time to check their blood glucose. Cats are smart. As their blood sugar levels start to improve most cats quickly make the connection between the human pokey-pointy weirdness and their feeling a lot better. When they do purr at their testing station, it's not just for the treats. They feel their humans' love and they respond with greater trust and deepened love. From a human perspective, it is an extraordinarily powerful feeling to be trusted so completely, openly, and unquestioningly by such small and completely vulnerable but highly discerning living beings.


Cats are very protective of humans they love and who love them. Spookily enough, it was Psycho that first helped me to discover this. Occasionally we would get neighbourhood cats sneaking through the cat flap at night. Because I had it set to only open inwards they could not get out again. One night I was awakened by odd noises in the house. Psycho made it very obvious he wanted my (unusual for him). I heard a noise downstairs and went to investigate, with Psycho bringing up the rear. I discovered a neighbourhood cat stuck in the kitchen pawing at the cat flap. Psycho was very nervous and agitated while I was descending the stairs but then the trapped visitor growled. To my utter amazement Psycho scooted around me and placed himself between me and the intruder and put on a major threat display. This small, svelte, black kitty was protecting all five feet six inches of me! I could not get over it! And this was before the events described above. He might not yet have been able to trust my love for him, but when the chips were down he didn't hesitate to show his love for me. Melts my heart to this day remembering his love and his bravery. I felt humbled by it. He was actually a very gentle wuss puss by nature. I love him dearly and I will miss him till the day that I breathe my last.

I think Brandy loves you very much, Smiley. :cat:



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Wow. What a nicely written story. That was nice of you to share! He sounds like he was a great cat for you. Brandy gets cranky here and there (they say that's a calico trait) but 95% of the time, she is a very sweet and loving cat. I wonder if the people that owned her for the 7 years of her life think about what happened to her after they left her at the shelter. The humane society said that her owners had her for her whole life, but were divorcing and neither of them could take her. She's developing an even lovelier personality and she's only been with me for less than 2 months. I can't help but question if they knew she was diabetic when they dropped her off. I hope that is not the case. Of course the kennel didn't know she was diabetic. She looks older than 7, but she's not. I guess this disease makes them look sort of "ragged". I don't think she was grooming herself while she was there at the shelter for the 3 months. She grooms very often now. Her fur is improving a little.
 
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She looks older than 7, but she's not. I guess this disease makes them look sort of "ragged". I don't think she was grooming herself while she was there for the 3 months. She grooms very often now. Her fur is improving a little.
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I think you're going to be in for a very pleasant surprise, Smiley. The transformation that occurs when a sugar kitty gets back to wellness is jaw-droppingly impressive. Saoirse was in tatters when she first visited our current vets (she had been diagnosed - eventually :rolleyes: - at a different practice). She looked tired and war-torn. Her coat was full of dander and coming out in handfuls, and her hindquarters were very thin. Less than two months on a decent quality, species-appropriate low carb wet food and Lantus insulin and you'd swear that she had been camped out at the Fountain of Youth. During a consult at that time, our current main vet actually took a couple of steps back from the examination table to look at her: he was gobsmacked at the improvement. He actually said that if he had not seen her notes he would never have taken her for a 14-year-old cat. :)

Please keep us updated with Brandy's improvements, Smiley. It's so heartening and inspiring to follow along on a sugar cat's journey back to health. Thank you for helping her and giving her love: it's the best medicine of all. :)


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Critter Mom said:
I think you're going to be in for a very pleasant surprise, Smiley. The transformation that occurs when a sugar kitty gets back to wellness is jaw-droppingly impressive. Saoirse was in tatters when she first visited our current vets (she had been diagnosed - eventually :rolleyes: - at a different practice). She looked tired and war-torn. Her coat was full of dander and coming out in handfuls, and her hindquarters were very thin. Less than two months on a decent quality, species-appropriate low carb wet food and Lantus insulin and you'd swear that she had been camped out at the Fountain of Youth. During a consult at that time, our current main vet actually took a couple of steps back from the examination table to look at her: he was gobsmacked at the improvement. He actually said that if he had not seen her notes he would never have taken her for a 14-year-old cat. :)

Please keep us updated with Brandy's improvements, Smiley. It's so heartening and inspiring to follow along on a sugar cat's journey back to health. Thank you for helping her and giving her love: it's the best medicine of all. :)


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Well, i'm not doing as much as I could be. She is not on insulin as of yet. I'm hoping the Evo food will let her numbers continue to drop...fingers crossed. She was 470ish when I got her. She certainly gets plenty of love, that's for sure. She gets kisses all the time and lots of attention. This morning she was cleaning my wrist. so cute
 
Aw bless! It's lovely to hear about the relationship the two of you share. :) I really enjoy everyone's kitty avatars here. Have you any pictures of Brandy? It would be really good to see her.

It would be great if the diet change alone is enough to restore Brandy to healthy numbers, but the insulin is there waiting in the wings should it be needed. Are you monitoring her for ketones at home now? It's fairly straightforward to do with urine test strips (e.g. Keto-Diastix).


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Critter Mom said:
Aw bless! It's lovely to hear about the relationship the two of you share. :) I really enjoy everyone's kitty avatars here. Have you any pictures of Brandy? It would be really good to see her.

It would be great if the diet change alone is enough to restore Brandy to healthy numbers, but the insulin is there waiting in the wings should it be needed. Are you monitoring her for ketones at home now? It's fairly straightforward to do with urine test strips (e.g. Keto-Diastix).


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Yes, I will put a picture up of brandy. Yes, the vet and I are working together ...I have found a great vet now so that's a relief. No ketone monitoring, but she was checked at the vet - still none. That's a bit hard for me because I have 4 other cats.
 
Looking forward to the pic!

If you do need to check Brandy's ketones, there's always the option to coop her up with a litter box in the bathroom for a while. Just after food can be a good time, as cats often eliminate shortly after eating.


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Critter Mom said:
Looking forward to the pic!

If you do need to check Brandy's ketones, there's always the option to coop her up with a litter box in the bathroom for a while. Just after food can be a good time, as cats often eliminate shortly after eating.


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There she is - purring and cleaning herself on my blanket! lol Okay - thanks for the tip!! :)
 
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Also she's 12 5 pounds and a long and large cat. How much wet food Should she get per day? I have 5.5 oz cans of evo
 
Two is going to be too much. The Evo are high in calorie even though they are low in carb. Each can has just around 200 calories. 1-1.5 cans per day. If she starts gaining too much, cut it back.
 
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