Tiffy 07/29/13 amps no bg, pmps 393 - 3

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Hey, what I did what buy liquid squirt bacitracin and it works like a charm. it has pain relief in it. The ointment doesn't work, it streams the blood and almost absorbs it. also, if you read the booklet it says clean of all ointments as anything on ear can affect the test result.
she hasn't had a bowel movement yet today, but I have been admin'g 2-3 cc's of b-12 2000 with b-complex sublingual 1x a day. this water soluble and is not that absorbable so I am not sure how much is getting into her system, but we will find out in a few days.

I also sent the vet an e-mail and called with the things I am doing and admin'g. So all is okay, as he hasn't called back. He was to call if he objected.

I also found the fortiflora at the petfood store where I buy the evo. Will see if she responds to the advance probiotic and I think she is. she looks awesome. she just ate a whole can and fresh chix and just played with me like wild.
so let's see. just a wearing down
thanks beejay.

you never gave me the milligrams on the b12, i.e., how many mg per tab, but according to my calculation 1cc is good for her, but the absorption is off, so I more than doubled or doubled knowing that possible she will get 1 cc.

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If you're waiting for the vet's response, it may be delayed in coming if there are numerous other oatients and tasks at the clinic.

STOP. You may be giving too much. Even though B vitamins are water soluble, you can overdose your cat. If you read the instructions on cat-specific vitamins you may figure out how much to give. I haven't had a chance to look it up yet.

Please, please, please make an appointment with your vet to go over what you are doing and make sure it is safe for your cat.
 
I also sent the vet an e-mail and called with the things I am doing and admin'g. So all is okay, as he hasn't called back. He was to call if he objected.
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You really can't assume the vet has no objections if he hasn't gotten back to you yet. There could be many reasons he has not done that.

How do you know the bacitracin isn't diluting the blood and affecting the BG numbers?
 
Re: Tiffy 07/29/13 tiffy is fine

She is fine. She just had a bowel movement. And it is mostly back to normal. I attribute that to the probiotic. I did the calculation. .01 ml = 1cc. So I did 2 and 3. Sublingual b12 is not as absorbable as a tab if it is swallowed. Also if it is water soluble u can't over dose.
Now I know the vet. Better to send an emai. He will read. If anything was urgent, he would have called.
Her stool is brown but I wnt more consistency. So next few days we will see. She is Good. HE would Have Called. Email is more specific than a phone message.
She ate like a champ. This cat's bg is dropping. I know she's better. The antibiotics did a number on her belly. Her flora needs restoring in her gut. I'm on her. She will b okay. Will chk out overdose symptoms on b12 but I think she will be fine. I don't think ~ if my memory serves me ~ u can overdose on oral b12. It doesn't absorb enough but if u catch a borderline thing ~ u can prevent something bigger.
 
Pls read the above post for link and it wouldn't be a bad idea to go to link and read it.
Now the only thing I will do is switch tiffy to the mineral and vitamin supplement when I get it. That has b12 in it.
From my reading and research Beejay, the cynobalomin form is really not absorbable and the better forms of b12 is the one starting w an M. The cats body can't really convert the cynoco form. B12 is good for diabetic cats as the urinate a lot and lose it thru urination.
An oral supp of b12 .05 will not harm but only help. Do ask your vet tho. I asked mine. He had her a multi w b12. I needed to get dairy sugar free. So I ordered spectrin. Hivite is hi in sugars.
Now I don't understand all the hype w u guys. U need to calm d o w n. I'm a smart cookie. Inslin admin wasn't my forte as was nobdy's. ~ thus the reason for the board!

Now I'm a fast learner. And I read and research tons. Part of my job. And everything I do with tiffy I consult a vet. Pls don't challenge me w/how do I know the vet thinks it is okay? I follow up. I'm a matured career girl who lives and works in nyc.

Anyway back to liquid bacitracin ~ all cats r different. Ok. So if ointment works for u Use it. I prefer the liquid pain relief version of bacitracin as it doesn't leave a film. Befor u bg, all u need to do is wet and clean ear to assure a clean surface. That should always b done! So No, it is not diluting the bg.
 
Ask your pharmacist if they have a copy of Drug Facts and Comparisons, or similar. It is possible to get toxicity from massive doses of B vitamins; I looked it up when I worked on a drug abuse crisis hotline. Difficult...but possible. Cats are much smaller than we are and use much smaller doses than we do.

Also, you can overdose on minerals.

Just because you e-mailed the vet doesn't mean he reads it. Typically, a staff person reviews e-mails and filters out any perceived as significant or sorts them ... according to the staff member.

The Merck Index of Chemisty, found in many librariers, provides the LD50 - the dose at which 50% of test subjects died. Sometimes Wikipedia has that information. Look up each and every mineral in the supplement you plan to give ... or better yet, make a vet appointment for a 6+ years trained expert to review your plan.
 
We know you are an intelligent woman. We are just tying to throw out some cautionary thoughts to you.

We are familiar with Tanya's CRF website and point many people to it. She does caution about not giving too much B6 orB9.

ALL medications have side effects. The side effects do not occur with all patients or are not always visible to the eye.

Here is a personal example from my own experience with Wink. I stopped using any of the triple antibiotic ointment with pain relief on Wink after he would rub his ears with his paws to clean and he was losing all the hair above the eyes and his eyes look red and irritated. I decided that even though I was wiping off all traces of the ointment, he was still getting some on his paw and getting it in his eye. Because of some of the inactive ingredients, these types of medications can cause eye damage so I stopped all use.

What if Tiffy turned her head at the moment you went to spray the bacitracin on her ear and she got it in her eye instead? One of the precautions with the spray form is to avoid getting it in the eye, nose or mouth. Do you have something to flush the eye out with of this occurs?

Tiffy's canned food also has all the necessary vitamins and minerals she needs. Giving her another multivitamin on top of that could result in some toxicity.

Drugs also have interactions with each other. Tiffy needs the atenolol for her heart and the insulin for her diabetes. Just cautioning you to be careful with anything else you are giving her so they not interact negatively with each other or cause the dose of one medication to act more strongly or weakly than expected.

Yes, B vitamins are water soluble but excess dosages cause the liver and kidneys to work harder to filter out the excess. They are already working hard to filter out the excess glucose. Why make them work harder?

Just some thoughts for you to ponder.
 
Debbie I love u but vet said to put her on a multi. Diabetcs r not typical animals. The urinate so much and their bodies deplete them of what they get in foods. Also unless the food lists the amounts of vitamin percentage, it is nothg. but for a reg healthy cat, it works. Like Darma and Abyss are fine with the amount of B12 and taurine in the foods. you can see it on their coats. So for instance, They can use up to 500 mg of taurine. Their food has about 25 mgs. And with a diabetic, that's nothing. They urinate and it gets used immediately. They can use 250 via powder and they will use it.
Another scenario. Food for thought, I'm in tip top shape. Ok. I jog. I use more iron than a reg person. So when I register 12. It is good for u but because I jog, I need 14 to 15 to feel good.

So two things ~ the vet wants and prescribed a mult which had sugar, I picked a different one w no dairy no sugar.

two, when it comes to tiffty, I always send a note to the vet. He does read them. I know that for a fact. he tells me what they say. so it is better than a message through the receptionist.
Plus this is all passed by vet ~ so ...

but let's take another quick thing, and then I have to go jog. Antibiotic ointment - not good. it stays on the ear and you can't get it off. Spray form is better. But I am not being a smartass, but who in their right mind would spray a cat's ear with a human medication? You have to take the quantum leap with me and say she is quick thinking, very quick, I am a court stenographer, remember, they think at nano speeds, and anyone with commonsense wouldn't use a human spray medication and spray a small cat's ear. The spray is too wide. How about if I told you -- and I am not reporting back again on stupid stuff again, if I don't answer you guys in the future it is because I think it is stupid and you need to think out of the box with me, because this is ridiculous -- I sprayed it on a cotton pad and applied? wouldn't that make a lot of sense. Just with me take it for granted that I am smarter than the average, and more than you can imagine occurs to me before it hits.

So I think about things before I execute. Especially with Tiffy because she is debilitated. And just because something works for someone doesn't work for all. For instance, we all saw Martica's advice out the door with the 1 unit of insulin for Tiffy. I haven't admin'd 1 unit since saying she is too high in Bg for 1 unit and joining up with you guys.

You guys know the Insulin to the top. Very much appreciate Deb and BJ's and Bob Carl's advice.


but you can trust me with supplements and vitamins. And I ask the vet. Now he prescribed L-Lysine and It works. it has benefits. Also the probiotic is working for her stool and getting it back and her stomach. She needed that. she needa the flora restored after 3 months of antibiotics.

what I don't like are the high Bgs she is getting. So again, by next week, I want to tweak those numbers because the atenonol is making her high. I'd like to get a bg right now, but don't think she will let me.

I really have to say, I've today just used the straight lancet without the pen or alphatrak gun. The spring doesn't work well to draw blood. So When they can't get blood - Tell them to use the straight lancet quick jab to draw.

Again, I love you guys and I don't want to sound hard, but Cyno B12 doesn't get absorbed. the other one at .5 mg 1x a day is better for cats that urinate a lot and you can't overdose them or orals. So calm down.

Also, Again with me, High IQ and quick thinker. Doesn't mean I know everything, but enough to know pale stool is gastro and/or liver/pancrease, but most likely since it stopped with Tiffy, it was the lack of flora, So advance Acidophilus worked well.

Now one more thing, fyi, the probiotic you guys recommended is a supplement probiotic and has vitamins and minerals in it. So I went with Acidophilus but it has something different specifically for feline intestines, that is the probiotic you guys suggested. Since the Acidophilus worked, I wll just keep her on that 1/4 pill.

The atenonol doesn't interact with any supplements listed above. subcut fluids are the only thing that could cause a problem with the subcut potassium as discussed with Carl/Bob and Heart conditions. But even then, the oral is okay.

you just need to dose them and when you see action, take it away. So I don't even use the potassium with Tiffy anymore. She isn't dehydrated and there is no need to. When her flora restores, I will delete the probiotic. but I will keep her on the Multi as prescribed. She urinates a lot and she is dispersing all that the foods put in her.

Please look for an update soon.

Thanks


will update you and please don't take me harsh.
 
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