Thumper 6/23

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Barbara

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We went to the vet & had the fPL test but I'm thinking it's not going to show anything cause she's doing so much better. I don't know why but I was surprised how much it was (110.00) I thought someowhere I saw it was only 60.00? Anyway now to figure out what to shoot.
+9.5 - 152 before vet
+11 - 219 after vet

I was surprised it wasn't higher with the trip to the vet. She's eating now. I don't think anyone is on...gonna talk to myself again! :lol: Shot .6 into a 220 last night but I'm wondering if she would be at 219 if we hadn't gone to the vet? And I'm going to be leaving her for several hours. Hmmm....
 
So glad Thumper is feeling bettter! Paws crossed she stays on that road and the mystery illness passes.
 
So Happy that Thumper is feeling well, especially such a low # after a trip to the vet!!
Keep up the good numbers Thumper!!
 
Thats a really good number after vet stress.
Hope Thumper has a great day and continues to feel better and eat well.
 
Not bad numbers at all considering, Barbara. Hope the test is good and that she feels better. cat_pet_icon
 
+6 - 24
+9.5 - 299

I'm way off schedule, got that way yesterday trying to go to the vet fasting & it continued this morning. I want to try getting back to our regular schedule so would like to shoot in about a half hour which would put us at +10. I just tested her & got a 299 & she's eating. If anyone is on, any suggestions as to what to shoot? Looks like that .6 wasn't enough this morning since she's at 299 & only +9.5. I would stay on the 12 hr schedule tomorrow.
 
I was kinda thinking .8 but I get all confused about the early shot stuff. Is that a dose decrease or increase?
 
An early shot is a decrease if you are going to wait longer than 12 hours to shoot. (I think!)
Go look at Angela and Henry's SS and see how she doses the long cycle and the short cycle-- which one is greater. I will look also.

I would shoot the .8 if you are comfortable with that. You have faced some high preshot numbers this week and she came back down nicely. So, if she us higher in the morning, you can adjust on your am shot.

That is my thinking.

I sure will be glad when that convention is over!!!!
 
kse said:
I sure will be glad when that convention is over!!!!
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Me too, cause I've been talking to myself way too much this week!

I won't be waiting any longer than 12 hrs. to shoot tomorrow morning. I want to shoot now so I can get back on a better schedule but that means shooting at +10.
 
Okay-- I don't know, but I think these are the things to consider--

She is definitely rising.
There could be a little insulin overlap the first two hours of the shot.

I would play it safe tonight and make my adjustments in the morning when I was on schedule.

Shoot something you feel safe with.

Whatever that means!!!
 
Don’t quote me here, but I seem to remember Joanna (I think) saying for every hour you have to shoot early, decrease dose by .1u and for every hour you shoot late increase by the same. Anyone else remember this or am I hallucinating?
 
Well, I don't think the .6 this morning was enough? The 1 unit made it so I couldn't shoot until +14 and I don't have time in the AM to wait for +14, so it seems logical to ME that .8 would be right. But I'm not sure I really trust my own thinking. I feel sure there's something I'm not considering.
 
donnahc said:
Don’t quote me here, but I seem to remember Joanna (I think) saying for every hour you have to shoot early, decrease dose by .1u and for every hour you shoot late increase by the same. Anyone else remember this or am I hallucinating?
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I remember something like that. So, that would mean if .8 is my right dose & I'm shooting 2 hrs early decrease to .6?
 
That would be correct if my memory is working. Hopefully someone with more experience can confirm or correct this for us.
 
donnahc said:
That would be correct if my memory is working. Hopefully someone with more experience can confirm or correct this for us.
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I think we are on our own....scary thought. :lol:
 
All the experience is at the convention--- we are in sink or swim mode!

Hey, don't go anywhere-- 8:30 is Callie Mae and Rocky's ps and she is looking help.
 
kse said:
All the experience is at the convention--- we are in sink or swim mode!

Hey, don't go anywhere-- 8:30 is Callie Mae and Rocky's ps and she is looking help.
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Good grief...you expect me to be any help? :mrgreen:

I'm going with the .6 I suppose..
 
Okay -- now that you have made your mind up -- I agree!!!!

Truly, that is what I would do-- Play it safe and adjust tomorrow. Joanna will be on later and can help you!

I think we should get smartphones for Joanna and Robin, so they are never away from us!!! It would be cheaper than the possible vet bill we might create!!!
 
kse said:
Okay -- now that you have made your mind up -- I agree!!!!

Truly, that is what I would do-- Play it safe and adjust tomorrow. Joanna will be on later and can help you!

I think we should get smartphones for Joanna and Robin, so they are never away from us!!! It would be cheaper than the possible vet bill we might create!!!
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Sounds like a good idea!
 
Barbara said:
+6 - 24
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:shock: That's a typo right?
donnahc said:
Don’t quote me here, but I seem to remember Joanna (I think) saying for every hour you have to shoot early, decrease dose by .1u and for every hour you shoot late increase by the same. Anyone else remember this or am I hallucinating?
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Sounds like something I'd say :mrgreen: It's a rough guideline - often at +11 you don't need any decrease, and on late shots you may well need more than that. And of course on early shots the picture changes a lot as you get earlier & earlier - that's sort of for maybe +9 and +10 shots.

On an early shot you are figuring the last shot hasn't fully worn off yet that's why you would reduce the dose. Once they are already zooming at the end of a cycle and later, that's why you need more insulin to get good numbers on a late shot.

Barbara if you find it hard to keep straight, keep asking questions about what part doesn't make sense! Since you talk to yourself a lot :lol: it's good to understand the stuff clearly so you know what to do even if no one is around. And of course always remember you can post on Health if needed!
 
kse said:
Go look at Angela and Henry's SS and see how she doses the long cycle and the short cycle-- which one is greater.
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You can't actually go by hers though! Hers is kind of backwards b/c Henry gets higher PSs in the AM and lower in the PM. Normally the AM dose would be lower than the PM dose on the timing she is on (AM shot at +10.5 and PM shot at +13.5), but I don't think it's worked great for him if I remember right.

If you think about it like TID vs BID, you are going for the same dose in 24s, BID is then 1/2 the total dose, TID 1/3 the total dose. That might help it make sense in general terms? So the earlier shot gets the smaller dose.
 
OMG I looked at the SS and I think my brain exploded! It's so confusing to stay on top of the data with all the late shots and stuff. I'm impressed you made sense of it all and picked a dose! I mean, you have to do the late shots I think, not saying you shouldn't do that, just it makes it an extra challenge to decipher.

Roughly it looks to me like:

- 0.8 might be good on a late shot (looking at the night of 6/22 the 0.6 at +14 gave her good numbers but not great)
- 1u not bad to bring her down from a high #, but probably a little strong (causing steep drop, though no low #s, and she didn't bounce off of it, so that's good), and I wouldn't shoot it on a lower PS
- Jury still out on 0.6 and 0.7....?

Today's numbers are a puzzle - she went higher at +6 which could be from the dose too high, or too low. Given her history, I lean towards it being too low.

Tonight's should be interesting - I think it was the right dose to try - 0.8 would be probably a little strong on an early shot, and anything lower than 0.6 risks her going higher.

Sorry not to have any clear answers for you! She is an ongoing puzzle :mrgreen: since she doesn't like to stick with one dose. Is she acting ok? If you see signs of symptoms coming back, that can be an early cue the dose is too low. As long as she is acting ok and ketones stay negative, I wouldn't stress about it too much. (yeah, like not stressing is going to happen! :lol: )
 
Henry is on 10.5/13.5 schedule . He always has a higher AMPS than PMPS. He right now is getting equal doses AM and PM but in experimenting, he would get a little higher dose PM to try to reduce AMPS on shorter cycle, but doesn'r always have the desired effect. His is not typical though with the always higher AMPS and much lower PMPS. Normally the earlier cycle would get lower dose.
 
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