Some general questions about FD stuff...

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Pumbaa

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1) My cats free feed all day and night long. They don't overeat, and, normally, they each consume about 1 to 1-1/4 5.5 oz. cans of food a day. Some days they are hungrier than others, and I give them more food. Other days, they don't finish the can they split at mealtime, but I make sure they have food out overnight in case Pumbaa's BG starts dropping.

All day long, I test Pumbaa's BG with no idea if he just ate or not (except for before his PMPS tests). When I pull their food at AM +10, I notice that both cats come looking for food at that time, and must be hungry. (The civvie, Larry, actually goes hunting for crumbs around and on their feeding table before I get their main meal down to them.) And I understand how you don't want a PS number influenced by a food spike, but if they are free-feeding all day, and grazing in small amounts, does that really matter? Since they are grazers, all of the BG tests during the cycle could be influenced by when Pumbaa last grazed.

I have to say that Pumbaa has really changed even in the last month, and he seldom snarfs down a gob of food at his AM and PM feedings. He eats a bit, goes and gives himself a bath, takes a nap or plays, comes back and eats a little more, goes and takes a nap or plays, etc., all day long. I'm glad that his brain figured out that he's no longer constantly hungry like he was when he was first diagnosed.


2) I have bags of used syringes I've collected over the last 3 months. What do I do with them? I know that sounds stupid, but I know enough to not throw them in the garbage can, I just don't know where to turn them in for disposal.

3) How do you convince family and friends to get their cats off of kibble, before they, too, experience what we are experiencing?

My mom, for example. She knows all about what I have been going through with Pumbaa, the constant testing and sleepless nights, etc., and I've done everything in my power to encourage her to remove the dry food from her 2 cat's diets, not only for the potential for diabetes, but also potential kidney problems, as well as the fact that her two cats barf constantly (they check out fine at the vet), and I am the one who has to try to get the stains out of her white carpets.

Just today, I had to pick up a bag of Iam's Feline Low Residue at her vet for her, and that is absolute crap. First 3 ingredients are: Chicken By-Product Meal, Corn Meal and Corn Grits. She's paying $4.29/pound for unhealthy crap to feed her cats, but insists that they don't barf when they eat this. (Yeah, right. In the last couple of years, seldom does a week go by when I'm not scrubbing nasty barf out of her carpets.) Now that my cats are grazing on the canned food and not snarfing-and-barfing, I only rarely have to clean up after someone barfed up a hairball, which surprises me because they are also getting olive oil with their canned food morning and night. Pre-FD, when they were only getting canned food in the morning, then free-feeding on kibble the rest of the day, I was cleaning up barf a lot more frequently than I do now. Especially from Larry, who would binge and purge on the dry food regularly. He doesn't do that with the canned food.

My entire family has had cats for decades, and Pumbaa is the first one to come down with FD. Maybe that is why my family is so resistant to changing from free-feeding them kibble. I worry especially about my brother's Maine Coon, as he only gets dry food, and from what I understand, Maine Coon's are more predisposed to FD than other cats. I might be wrong.

Anyway, have you converted anyone with civvies to get their cats off of kibble before it's too late? If so, what did you have to do to convince them?


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Looking forward to your responses on all three questions!

Suze

PS: Here's a shot of Pumbaa, with his buzzed flank about a week after buzzing off the fur. I do this on both sides of his body so I can alternate the shots, and can't tell you how it has helped me see what I am doing during injections. Not just preventing fur shots, but also to make sure I'm not grabbing any muscle. The fur grows back in about a month, so I have to buzz him again, but it's worth it, and he stands still for this, thankfully. Anyway, I wanted to share because he doesn't look "evil" in this photo for once. *LOL*
 

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2. Every state has it's own laws. Here's a website to help. I tried taking mine to our hospital yesterday and they can't take them anymore. My county landfill takes them in their hazardous waste program.

http://www.bd.com/us/diabetes/page.aspx ... 2&id=10284


3. I am trying to convince friends of the same thing. I seem to have success with all those who recently lost a pet to switch when they get a new cat, but not those who have one now.
 
Rhiannon: Thank you! That was a great link for the syringe disposal.

But I can't believe that Arizona allows me to place these in the garbage if I have them in a plastic container (i.e. used detergent bottle) with the lid secured with duct tape. What good does that do if someone digs through the landfill looking for syringes? I thought maybe they went to a recycling area and were melted down so that no one could ever use them again.

Keep trying to convert others to the no kibble as I am. Hopefully someone will post a tried and true method of convincing others that we both can use in the future. :)

Suze
 
Hi Suze-
I used a lot of different needles on Latte to administer meds...for years. My vet wanted to charge me to bring the used ones in. I couldn't afford it. I did not know what else to do with them. 3.5yrs later, lets just say I accumulated a lot....many, many, MANY gallon jugs. :sad: After she passed away I had to dispose of them. Here in MN we have the same system you do. Had I only known at the time I would have gotten rid of them every month or so. At the time I did not live in the kind of neighborhood you wanted to leave something like that in the garbage. What I did was put the jugs in a plastic garbage bag and waited for the garbage men to come each week. I would hand it to them. Actually, they let me throw them in myself. It was quite therapeutic, I guess you could say.

So, if you are nervous about leaving them in your trash for whatever reason, just hand the bag to the garbage man when they come.

As for your other question...all you can do is educate and share your story. Some are interested, others are not. One thing I know for sure is that most people don't want to be told they are not caring for their pet properly. They can get easily defensive and closed to learning. For those who are interested, great! Those who are not, fine! I still know both types of people care for and love their animals. Though I would like to see everyone feeding or caring the way I see fit, I prefer to just know the cat is happy and loved. It's better than the alternative...living their life out in a shelter, or worse.

I let go of trying to get my family to change a loooooooooooong time ago. My mom heard last year that all a cat needs is food the size of a mouse. She did not take into consideration that maybe the amount of protein, fat, calories, etc in a mouse is much different than a mouse sized blob of wet food or dry. :roll: Thankfully she is not following through on that theory (I still think she misinterpreted or did not hear the person out). People will believe the craziest things...including us at times. :lol:
 
Carolyn:

Thank you...you just gave me an idea...I'm going to bend all of the needles on the used syringes first, then take out all of the plungers and put them in a different container. And, my garbage pick up is around 8 am, so it would be easy for me to take these out to the can at the very last minute. Unfortunately, our garbage trucks are too huge for me to throw the jugs in myself. (Totally mechanical process, there are grippers on the truck that lift the cans and dump the garbage into an opening on the top of the truck.) I just want to do my part to make sure that jugs of these used syringes don't get into the wrong hands.

All I can do with family members is explain what we all are going through with the FD, and how I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy, much less on someone I care about. Then I point to the bags under my eyes for emphasis. Hahahaha! In my mom's case, it's purely stubborness on her part, 'cause she won't even try taking away the dry food for a while/a test to see if that stops the barfing, yet she complains constantly about the barf spots on her carpeting, and keeps taking her cats to the vet for testing and medications due to the barfing. ohmygod_smile Unfortunately, if one of her cats develops FD, I am going to be the one taking care of it, since she couldn't handle it. But, like you said, you can't force anyone to change, you can only try educating them.

Suze
 
3... is a really tough one. I think the biggest issue most people have with feeding canned is 1. they automatically assume it would be expensive (NOT true) and 2. they will have to (gasp) do more than fill the bowl once a day and ignore the cat the rest of the time.

I would recommend making a chart of all the costs of feeding a cat a crappy cheap dry food (Special Kitty, Whiskas, Meow Mix etc), an expensive dry food (Wellness CORE, Orijen, etc), a cheap canned (Special Kitty, Friskies, etc), and an expensive canned (Wellness, Merricks, etc) . Do it by cost per day, and I'm sure the results will be surprising to your mom. I feed 2 cats for $2.50-$3 a day, or $75-$90 a month. Some other things that cost $70-90: A pair of sunglasses, a nice pair of jeans, a nice steak dinner... Not really a whole lot. That is a single 8 hr work day of fairly low wages. When you put it into perspective like that... it just makes more sense.

You also do not have to chain yourself to the food bowl to feed canned. You can buy resealable can lids to keep it fresh, add water to keep it from drying out, freeze it in ice cube trays for when you're out or sleeping, or even buy an automatic feeder for long days when you're not home. It really is no more inconvenient than filling a bowl up with kibble.

A few other benefits of canned - significantly less chance of vet bills due to diabetes, renal disease, etc. maybe you should calculate those into the chart above too. You will spend less time cleaning the litter box because less waste in food = less poop = less spent on litter. Your cat might even shed less and have less dandruff/flaky skin. Dry food does NOT keep your cat's teeth clean.. it's like saying crunchy cookies keep our teeth clean!

I am sure I'll think of more things to add, but... there's some "food" for thought.
 
Hello Suze,
just a quick comment on barfing (& white carpets): what helped my sweet Pudge & civvie Angel is addition of a dollop of white petroleum jelly to their daily diet. I purchased Kendall White Petroleum Jelly in a 3.25oz tube (pricy but am afraid to get something of a different brand, why fight success?) & they take it straight from a shallow dish (about 1" each daily), simply love it. Angel, a true of ball of downy fluffy fur, has not barfed even once during the past month. Additionally, it seems to help with what I was beginning to think was asthma in her case, as she no longer takes the funny shallow breaths she was beginning to make (fur tickling her throat?) Pudge did spit up once. Spitfire, the 3rd of my triplets, thinks vaseline is an attempt on her life :o & won't have anything to do with it. Smearing on her paw or mouth does not work, as later I find it on couches, floor, etc. I do not want to place it in her mouth because she is a finicky eater, so I don't want to set up any eating aversion issues. She does still get fur balls. Olive oil in food did not seem to help them.

OT: Suze, thanks for the generous offers of formatting & interest in Aloe Vera juice. Nothing new on those fronts. Will let you know any progress I make.
Best wishes,
Sophie
 
Sophie: Thank you for the input on the barfing problem. One of my previous cats, Killer, was a domestic long hair and loved her petroleum jelly. She got some every night before bedtime. Unfortunately, my mom's cat won't eat it. One her cats will eagerly eat the brown flavored stuff my mom gets from the vet, but I have to force feed it (put it on my finger and put my finger in the cat's mouth to ensure licking takes place) to the other cat. My mom won't even try adding a little olive oil to the canned food her boys get each morning. :YMSIGH:

Do let me know about the aloe when you find anything out. No emergency. :)

Suze
 
Ry: Good ideas...all of them. At least for normal people. Thank you!

Then there's my mom. Hahahaha! She spends a lot of money on high-priced canned and dry food for her cats. The canned food is good, but that Iam's Feline Low Residue dry food is absolute crap, and was $60 for a 14 lb. bag! So it's not the expense. I also don't think it's the time...as she goes through a very complex ritual of feeding both of her cats in the morning and at night. Plus, she's usually home all day so adding to their canned food would not be an issue. I do think she's worried that one of her cats will snarf all of the canned food down constantly, and I agree, and have told her that she would just have to dole it out in small amounts until he got used to the fact that he could free feed and there would always be canned food available for him. I've explained that cats are obligate carnivores, and that the corn meal and corn grits, etc., just aren't doing them any good. I've also, in the past, tried to at least get her to switch the dry food to Authority, which lists real meat as the main ingredient, and smells like that meat when you open the bag, not like a bag of corn. She insisted her cats didn't like it, even though when she was in the hospital and rehab for a month for knee replacement surgery, I fed them Authority dry food and they loved it. :roll:

What I don't get is why more vets don't encourage pet owners to get their cats (and dogs) off the kibble. Especially when they are having digestive/barfing problems.

Suze
 
You can buy a needle clipper for insulin needles called "BD Safe Clip Needle Clipping & Storage Device". It costs about $5 and holds 1,500 needles (not for lancets). I would clip the needle off after use and then just toss the rest of the syringe in the trash. I would fill a plastic jar, like a peanut butter jar, with the lancets.

Here is the website about the clippers: http://catalog.bd.com/bdCat/viewProduct ... ber=328235
 
What I don't get is why more vets don't encourage pet owners to get their cats (and dogs) off the kibble. Especially when they are having digestive/barfing problems.

I have a partial answer for this one. I just got it from someone who worked at animal control and dealt with many vets.
Hill's is a huge sponsor for veterinary research .
They kind of have each other's backs. Vets sell the stuff and don't question or seem to think about what they are selling.

With all the new foods flooding the markets these days and people educating themselves and buying "better" ( grain free)
foods, I hope the learning curve will affect the vets and they will wake up and smell the carbs...... :razz:

I can't remember which food it was years ago .... meow mix .... or some multicolored dry food that came out and has so
many additives , dyes, etc.... and I think it's still sold today.
I never met a cat that didn't throw that stuff up.
 
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