should I inject?

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Sorry peeps, thought I'd do a fresh post incase people didn't want to read through my long post.

I tested my cat not so long ago and he had a reading of 6.9mmol/L, I am due to inject him with one untit of pz insulin in about 20 minutes. Is that reading to low to inject him? He had a hypo last week so I am on edge incase it happens again.

He is ok in himself, he is zipping around the room at the moment chasing a feather.

Bozita cat food is so good. He is hardly drinking a urinating.

Thanks for any advice x
 
I would not shoot that number being so new to all this.

i haven't been around much so don't know all the details....you are newly diagnosed? do you have any other numbers we can look at?

if kitty is newly diagnosed and/or you don't have much data to go on yet, it's unsafe to shoot that number.

the good news is though that pzi insulins are flexible so if your schedule is too then you could re-test in 30-60 minutes and if kitty is higher, i.e. over 200, you could shoot then. you then might need to adjust the evening shot though. if that complicates things too much you can just wait until tonight's shot and pick up there
 
I cross posted into the PZI forum in case any of those gals/guys are online.

Thats a shootable number on Lantus and Lev with enough data, but I don't know the action of PZI enough to know if its similar.
 
Like Cindy said, most of us have a "no-shoot" number, lowest is 150, usually if you don't have a lot of data and experience you want it higher than that, 200, or 180 once you have some data shooting at 200. Sorry I don't know the international #s to be able to do the conversion.

It sounds like his dose may be too high. Did you reduce it after the hypo last week, and still got low # now? Sounds like another reduction may be in order (once the PS is high enough for a shot), but as others said, good to post all the data you have so far so you can get the best advice on what to do this evening.
 
fwiw, the math factor is 18

so the conversion for you would be

150 = 8.3
180 = 10
200 = 11.1

so for us in the states, the 6.9 you got translates to 124.2
 
Thanks Cindy!!! :-D

Just took a quick look at your earlier thread. A couple notes to follow-up with that:

1) If you are using PZI Vet or ProZinc, the vial should last until it is used up. With Vetsulin you had to replace it every month or two, but that is not true of PZI. There are some compounded PZIs however that don't last as long. If you are using one of those, I would call the pharmacy that compounds it and ask them how long it lasts.

2) I'm not familiar with the food you use, and just wanted to double check that you have already determined it is nutritionally balanced? Since the protein level is so high, just thought I'd mention that. There are some "all meat" type foods out there where you need to mix in some other ingredients to get a balanced meal. If you aren't sure, you might want to start a thread asking about that particular food, just to be sure. I could be off base, just when I saw the protein level was very high it reminded me of some of those other foods that are designed to be mixed with other stuff before feeding.

3) Normal BG levels: here's a page in the Wiki that hopefully will answer your questions http://petdiabetes.wikia.com/wiki/Blood_glucose_levels. If you still have questions, just ask!!! As it says there, these are #s based on what people generally see on their home (human) meters, which can differ a bit from lab #s - these are the #s you need to know for home-testing, assuming you use a human meter.
 
Thank you for everything. Thanks for the conversion chart, it is needed. I was worried too about the 97% protein food I am feeding fluff, it has great reviews but I need some feedback from someone from the UK as to what other wet foods are good for diabetic cats. Not saying I don't appreciate any info from people anywhere in the world. Fluffy's coat has looked great on the bozita (you can do a google search on the food) cat food, he had quite bad dander before. His drinking and urination has decreased big time.

I haven't injected fluff. I am going to blood test in in an hour to see what his levels are. I am using a human glucometer, my vet wasn't keen but it's better than nothing. I am thinking of investing in an animal glucometer just to be on the safe side.

If anyone is from the UK or Europe who could recommend a good all round wet food (one for feline diabetes)then I'd be super grateful. Fluffy and my other 2 cats are my life, I just want to do the best for my fur babies x
 
fwiw, i've used the freestyle meters since Mousie was diagnosed back in 2006. my vet actually recommended the freestyle flash back then and i've used that all along. i recently added the freestyle lite to my stuff as the strips are easier to come by for it then for the old flash anymore :) i've never had a problem with either of them.

as far as food goes, you could change your title in your original post here or start another post and ask something like "UK diabetic cat food options?" so the UK members see it
 
Thanks cindy. I will do a post in the morning for the Uk peeps. I know the bozita is a great food but I am slightly concerned fluff might not be getting all he needs regarding his nutritional needs. I am hapy with bozita so far. I definitely don't want to add any dry food to his diet.

I am using the freestyle lite, I have got readings from only a tiny spot of blood (fluff can be quite awkward, he gets stressed easily) I had already priced the strips up and they was really cheap. My vet phoned me the other day and said the readings wouldn't be useful to them : /
 
Darn. It sounds like your vet is not going to be willing to accept you as a partner in this sugar dance. Why would he say your numbers would be of no use? They are likely to be far more accurate than the numbers he would get at the clinic, when Fluffy is stressed. You may have to do this on your own, with the help of the board. If he bases dosage on numbers that are higher than your numbers at home, you will run the real risk of overdosing your cat.
 
Couldn't you just SAY you're using the meter the vet wants you to use, but actually use the cheaper one?
 
I would stick with the meter you have. Most people here use them, and the protocols and interpretation of #s is based on using a human meter. I have both a human one & a pet one - I like both, but I also find it more difficult sometimes with the pet one b/c so few people use them, people are used to seeing & interpreting #s from the human one...

If you are interested, we can give you links to some articles that might help get your vet on board. There are vets at major research facilities who support home testing with human meters (I think? Dr. Rand at least?), and there may be something more "official" :-D like that that your vet would respond to. Just a thought...

I have seen discussions on the board before about the best foods in certain countries - you may find useful information if you search on the topic, or start a new thread asking about good UK foods. It does sound like Fluff is doing really well on that food, it could be fine, or it could be there's just something that needs to be mixed in (I think they make it already prepared, you just buy the mix & add it before serving, but I've never done it myself.) I would think it might say somewhere on the label maybe, that this food is a complete & balanced meal, or not? Of if not there, maybe on their website? Just brainstorming. :)
 
I just did a quick search on Bozita and found this for ingredients on one of their 97% meat flavors:

Ingredients:
Bozita with Chicken
Lungs, chicken (at least 4%), gullet, kidney, liver, sodium chloride, calcium carbonate
Bozita with Salmon
Lungs, chicken, gullet, salmon (at least 4%), kidney, liver, sodium chloride, calcium carbonate
Bozita with Beef
Lungs, chicken, gullet, beef (at least 4%), kidney, liver, sodium chloride, calcium carbonate
Bozita with Prawns
Lungs, chicken, gullet, prawns (at least 4%), kidney, liver, sodium chloride, calcium carbonate

Supplemented with:
Bozita with Chicken/Salmon/Beef
Vitamin A (2.000 IU/kg), vitamin D3 (250 IU/kg), vitamin E (13 mg/kg), copper [copper(II)sulphate] (1.5 mg/kg), Zinc oxide (15 mg/kg), taurine (700 mg/kg)
Bozita with Prawns
Vitamin A (2.000 IU/kg), vitamin C (175 mg/kg), vitamin D3 (250 IU/kg), vitamin E (73 mg/kg), copper [copper(II)sulphate] (1.5 mg/kg), sodium nitrite
Click to expand...

So it looks like it is nutritionally complete and probably very similar to the 95% EVO foods here in the US.
 
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