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Hi everyone, I discovered this forum after doing a search for one related to diabetic cats.

I created an account just to see if anyone out there has had a similar experience to mine and could maybe offer their knowledge. Before I begin, I know that we will never know for sure what ultimately caused our recently diagnosed diabetic cat to pass away but we weren't told much from the vet other than maybe it was all too much but what I am wondering is what was "too much"? Everything she had going on at once or the experience she endured the other morning. If anyone can offer any possible insight I would greatly appreciate it! Sorry about any grammatical and/or punctuation errors, I'm not an English whiz. When I say "we" I am referring to my family.

Now to the story. I had a cat that was around 5 and a half years old who was diagnosed with diabetes at the end of January this year. She had a hyperactive thyroid at the age of 3 which we were told was extremely rare for a cat so young to have. She defied the "norm" all of her short life. She had a run in with constipation prior to being diagnosed with diabetes and spent 2 nights at the animal hospital to help get that taken care of. The vet gave us medicine to give to her to help keep her from becoming constipated again which she was still being given a few times a week up until her final week.

When she was diagnosed with diabetes we were also told that her kidney count was not good (we weren't told the exact count) and upon research discovered that diabetes and kidney failure can go hand in hand with cats. We were taking her everyday to the vet for about two weeks to get her blood sugar checked, get insulin and to get fluids to help the kidneys to improve. When her kidneys were re-checked they were back to normal. We started giving her insulin at home and she went once a week to get her sugar checked. Since being diagnosed she started having trouble with her back legs, she was very wobbly and sometimes couldn't walk at all. My mother read that sometimes stiffness is related to diabetes and we figured that's what was going on with her.

Two nights ago my cat was throwing up but nothing came out. She did it about four times before I went to bed and when I picked her up that night I realized she was wet and had peed where she was laying. The next morning my mother discovered that she was very lethargic and couldn't move her back legs much, if at all. She actually thought at one point that she was dead. Since it was so early (about 5:30) and the normal place we took her was not open yet we ended up at a pet E.R. at around 6:30 because we were worried she wouldn't make it until the normal place opened. Once we arrived there they did blood work and checked her temperature. Her temperature was 94 (if I remember correctly) and they checked her sugar and that was, I want to say, 20? If not 20 somewhere between 20 and 40. So they then went to do a complete blood test and discovered very, very bad kidney counts and that she had a bad urinary tract infection. They started her on fluids, anti-nausea medicine, and antibiotics.

They didn't make it seem like she would die any time soon as a result of any of it. It seemed like it would all be under control in a few days from how the vet there talked. We didn't want to keep her there because it wasn't close to home and it was way more expensive than close to home so the idea was that she would stay at the E.R. for the time being until we could get in touch with her normal vet and see if it was okay to bring her directly there. We said goodbye to the cat and left the E.R. to stop by the hospital that was closer to home and to come home while she was getting a few hours of care at the E.R. We went to pick her up around noon to take her to the hospital closer and within ten minutes after dropped her off there we got a phone call that said she had passed. The vet said maybe it just simply too much for her but what did he mean by that? The diabetes, kidneys and UTI couldn't handle everything? Or simply her body was beyond repair by that point? My mom felt terrible and was blaming herself saying maybe she shouldn't have moved her like we did from one place to the other right in the middle of treatment. We're talking about a 20 minute drive. Would that have really had an impact?


Sorry if I lost anyone, I will gladly clarify anything if you need it. I would appreciate any responses.

Thanks in advance. This was the first cat we've ever had that was diabetic and I think ultimately we want to know that we didn't screw up and that it was simply her time to go. :YMSIGH: :sad:
 
I am so so sorry for your loss. It sounds like your kitty may have had a number of issues going on and you tried your best for her.

The back leg wobbly ness is called neuropathy and is common with diabetic cats, as is kidney problems and UTIs.

((Hugs))

Wendy
 
First off I am so sorry for you loss of your sweet friend, no matter how long we have them it isn't long enough.

Now to try to answer your question as best as I can....It sounds like at the very end when you took her to the ER she was in hypo from too much insulin, which is one of the reason we all test our cats at home just like a human diabetic will...But you probably weren't told that by your vet since very few do address home testing with their clients. Most of the time a Hypo can be reversed with fluids, and dextrose IV, but not always she could also have had a myrid of other problems that diabetes was only the tip of the iceberg so to speak.

Also sounds like you weren't told what to watch for either by your vet so that you would have been able to intervene in time to help her when she started going too low. Not that it will matter now but out of my own curiosity what insulin were you giving her and what was the dose that your vet told you to give?

Honestly it sounds like you were doing the very best you could for her given the information that you had, if anything it sounds like your vet wasn't very good about communicating what you needed to watch for and how to treat it if you saw the signs of hypo setting in.

Again so sorry for your loss and that you didn't find us sooner when perhaps we could have helped you help your baby girl.

Mel, Maxwell, Autumn & The Fur Gang
 
Wendy&Tiggy said:
I am so so sorry for your loss. It sounds like your kitty may have had a number of issues going on and you tried your best for her.

The back leg wobbly ness is called neuropathy and is common with diabetic cats, as is kidney problems and UTIs.

((Hugs))

Wendy

Thank you, Wendy. I do believe that she did and I sure hope that we did everything that we could for her.

Also, thank you for clarifying what it is called, I wasn't sure.


I wanted to share the entire story instead of trying to search the internet for any similar stories. I have found plenty of websites that say all of her ailments (if you will) are sometimes all related.

Again, thank you very much for taking the time to read and reply
 
MommaOfMuse said:
First off I am so sorry for you loss of your sweet friend, no matter how long we have them it isn't long enough.

Now to try to answer your question as best as I can....It sounds like at the very end when you took her to the ER she was in hypo from too much insulin, which is one of the reason we all test our cats at home just like a human diabetic will...But you probably weren't told that by your vet since very few do address home testing with their clients. Most of the time a Hypo can be reversed with fluids, and dextrose IV, but not always she could also have had a myrid of other problems that diabetes was only the tip of the iceberg so to speak.

Also sounds like you weren't told what to watch for either by your vet so that you would have been able to intervene in time to help her when she started going too low. Not that it will matter now but out of my own curiosity what insulin were you giving her and what was the dose that your vet told you to give?

Honestly it sounds like you were doing the very best you could for her given the information that you had, if anything it sounds like your vet wasn't very good about communicating what you needed to watch for and how to treat it if you saw the signs of hypo setting in.

Again so sorry for your loss and that you didn't find us sooner when perhaps we could have helped you help your baby girl.

Mel, Maxwell, Autumn & The Fur Gang


Thank you very much for replying!
The vet she was seeing told us that out of all of the diabetic cats they see only two tested at home. My mom wanted to give it a try because she didn't like not knowing if she needed the insulin or not but unfortunately, we never got to that point.
When she wasn't herself that morning our guess was that the sugar was either too high or too low but we were leaning towards too low.
She was getting ProZinc and it was 2 units but after her most recent trip to the vet (I want to say maybe 3 days before she passed) to get checked it was lowered to 1 unit.

I really wish I had found this forum sooner. If I am ever blessed with another diabetic kitty at all in my life, I have learned a little and now know where to go for advice.

Thank you for taking the time to read and reply. It means a lot.

I never introduced myself to anyone, I realized after I posted the story that I should have. Better late than never, my name is Sarah and my tough little girl was Stray (her name was self explanatory) we often called her a tough little cookie which was where my username came from.
 
I hope you have lots of furry kitties in your life and that none become diabetic!

but just to be sure.. Never feed your cats dry food.. Choose a low carb canned wet food such as fancy feast classic pâtés, friskies pâtés or wellness grain free. Choose low carb treats like freeze dried chicken. Never give anything that could have sugar in it, or carbohydrates .. No table scraps that have those in them. Cats are not meant to eat carbs.

Plus keep an eye on the litter box for changes in pee patch size... Watch how much he drinks, Get on a scale with your cat and weigh him once a month and keep track and maybe you can catch any issues early on.

Wendy
 
Welcome to the family Sarah...please stick around and read and learn...You don't have to have a diabetic cat to hang out here, we have lots of knowledge on cats in general as well. :-D

Unfortunately I know all too well the heartbreak you just went through, I found this place too late to help my first diabetic Muse as well. She also passed from a suspected insulin overdose over night shortly after she was diagnoised and I brought her home from the vet's. But I stuck around and adopted 3 more diabetic cats as diabetics...lost one to anemia but one has been in remission now for over 2 years and the other is well regulated thanks to the wonderful folks here. Even taught my vet a thing or two about treating diabetic cats. :-D

I adopted all three of my additional diabetics from Diabetic Cats In Need who I also learned about from this very board...

Fly free beautiful Stray and land ever so softly back in the hearts of those that love you.

Mel, Maxwell, Autumn & The Fur Gang
 
Hello.
I'm so sorry for your loss.
It's hard no matter how old they are..
It sounds like she had many issues to deal with and was lucky that she had your love.

Fly Free Stray. rb_icon





Here's a great place to start reading for when you are ready for your next furbaby.
If you start new, you will know lots to prevent ever having diabetes and many other problems..
http://catinfo.org/
 
Wendy&Tiggy said:
I hope you have lots of furry kitties in your life and that none become diabetic!

but just to be sure.. Never feed your cats dry food.. Choose a low carb canned wet food such as fancy feast classic pâtés, friskies pâtés or wellness grain free. Choose low carb treats like freeze dried chicken. Never give anything that could have sugar in it, or carbohydrates .. No table scraps that have those in them. Cats are not meant to eat carbs.

Plus keep an eye on the litter box for changes in pee patch size... Watch how much he drinks, Get on a scale with your cat and weigh him once a month and keep track and maybe you can catch any issues early on.

Wendy


And, if they do I'm glad I know where to come now.

Thank you for the information and tips.
 
MommaOfMuse said:
Welcome to the family Sarah...please stick around and read and learn...You don't have to have a diabetic cat to hang out here, we have lots of knowledge on cats in general as well. :-D

Unfortunately I know all too well the heartbreak you just went through, I found this place too late to help my first diabetic Muse as well. She also passed from a suspected insulin overdose over night shortly after she was diagnoised and I brought her home from the vet's. But I stuck around and adopted 3 more diabetic cats as diabetics...lost one to anemia but one has been in remission now for over 2 years and the other is well regulated thanks to the wonderful folks here. Even taught my vet a thing or two about treating diabetic cats. :-D

I adopted all three of my additional diabetics from Diabetic Cats In Need who I also learned about from this very board...

Fly free beautiful Stray and land ever so softly back in the hearts of those that love you.

Mel, Maxwell, Autumn & The Fur Gang


I think I will! I have never found a forum that seems to have so many people willing to help and offer support as this one. It's good to know it's here. I have three other kitties, they are 14, around 3 and around 2. Fingers crossed none of them develop diabetes but if we're ever curious about other things I know I can check here.

That's great that you were able to learn so much and that you were able to help those in need. I hope that if I ever have another diabetic that I, too, will be more knowledgeable and will know more about what is or might be going on.

Thank you for your kind words and time.
 
rhiannon and shadow said:
Hello.
I'm so sorry for your loss.
It's hard no matter how old they are..
It sounds like she had many issues to deal with and was lucky that she had your love.

Fly Free Stray. rb_icon





Here's a great place to start reading for when you are ready for your next furbaby.
If you start new, you will know lots to prevent ever having diabetes and many other problems..
http://catinfo.org/


Thank you and I agree, it's hard no matter the age. I think because she was so young and sort of unexpected (given her history of pulling through) it's a little more difficult.

Thank you for the link, too. I will give it a look.
 
I just want to extend my deepest sympathy on the passing of your dear Stray. So young to have had to leave and heartbreaking for you and your family.
 
Sarah,

i am sorry for what happened to stray.

as you have other cats already, you can prevent them from getting diabetes by following what mel suggested - remove all dry food. Only feed low carb canned or raw food. For treats - get rid of temptations and pounce - those are full of carbs.

if you follow this diet - you will help your cats tremendously.

also be very aware of any meds or injections the vet may want to administer especially anything that contains steroids - injections, in different meds - like ear ointments, etc. as this is also known to cause diabetes.

another thing that you can do going forward - is to always question the vet - question medical treatments, question diagnosis, and always ask for copies of their medical records, including test results - I get copies after each vet visit. make a notebook and keep it all there, so you have it handy, if you ever need to see a new vet or go to an ER, youhave the records with you.

and finally, if you ever are told something from the vet and your gut tells you something doesn't sound right - feel free to come back here and ask. we deal with everything here, not just diabetes issues. many of us have multiple cats and not all are diabetic and have issues that aren't diabetes related and ask questions here. chances are with all the people on this board who have cats, there is at least one person who has or is dealing with the same issue or at least can help with ideas, questions, etc.

try to be gentle with yourselves, you did the best you could with the knowledge you had at the time.
 
jt and trouble (GA) said:
I am SO sorry for your loss. You are a member of this family now. Come whenever you need...We will be here for you.
jeanne

ETA: http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/mes ... d=17973807


Thank you! I will surely remember to check back in every so often. I am not very knowledgeable on feline diabetes but I feel like I know enough to maybe be able to offer advice on a different feline related topic! :)

Thank you for the candle, that was very sweet!
 
Hillary & Maui said:
Sarah,

i am sorry for what happened to stray.

as you have other cats already, you can prevent them from getting diabetes by following what mel suggested - remove all dry food. Only feed low carb canned or raw food. For treats - get rid of temptations and pounce - those are full of carbs.

if you follow this diet - you will help your cats tremendously.

also be very aware of any meds or injections the vet may want to administer especially anything that contains steroids - injections, in different meds - like ear ointments, etc. as this is also known to cause diabetes.

another thing that you can do going forward - is to always question the vet - question medical treatments, question diagnosis, and always ask for copies of their medical records, including test results - I get copies after each vet visit. make a notebook and keep it all there, so you have it handy, if you ever need to see a new vet or go to an ER, youhave the records with you.

and finally, if you ever are told something from the vet and your gut tells you something doesn't sound right - feel free to come back here and ask. we deal with everything here, not just diabetes issues. many of us have multiple cats and not all are diabetic and have issues that aren't diabetes related and ask questions here. chances are with all the people on this board who have cats, there is at least one person who has or is dealing with the same issue or at least can help with ideas, questions, etc.

try to be gentle with yourselves, you did the best you could with the knowledge you had at the time.


Thank you! It gets easier with each day.

Getting copies of everything is a good idea, I am learning some very valuable things from you and everyone on here.

I am sure I will be back at some point or another. It really is great to know this exists.
 
Instead of replying to everyone individually, I figured this would be easiest.

I haven't signed in here for a couple of days and I am amazed by the number of people who have simply expressed their condolences. Thank you all very much, it means a lot. It's good to know there are such caring and knowledgeable cat people out there!

I know we should work on switching the crew over to all wet food to help prevent any future issues but I don't know how easy that will be. Maybe we'll slowly start to try and make a transition. As far as healthier treats go, I have offered some "natural" treats before to the oldest of the three and he didn't want anything to do with them. I haven't tried the younger two that I can recall. Any suggestions on one that most cats tend to like?


I can't say it enough so I'll say it again, thank you all very much!
 
Hi Sarah -

So sorry for the pain you and your family are experiencing. Sounds like Stray had a lot going on, and I don't know that there was much more you might have done to result in a different outcome. Nevertheless, it's sad when we lose one of our babies.

You mentioned she had Hyper-thyroid (high) issues at age 3. My boy Grayson has hypo-thryroid (low) as a result of radiation treatment. When this side effect first came up, I did a little research and was startled to learn that thyroid issues can sometimes result in an early death. Whether it was treated or not, the thyroid gland impacts a lot of functions of the body, and in this case, could have contributed to a lot of the issues she had.

It would be nice if our vets would direct newly diagnosed FDs to this board. There are so many things we learn when we come here, and even years thereafter. My vet actually encouraged another client to home test, and asked me if I'd help him. She has seen first hand how much a "hands-on" approach by the caregiver can impact their care.

Although you no longer have a diabetic kitty, you may at some time wish to give another kitty a fighting chance. DCIN - Diabetic Cats in Need - is always looking for fosters and permanent homes for wonderful diabetic kitties. Some have gone completely into remission ("off the juice") just by a food change. Having an experienced pet parent that isn't afraid to commit the time and is comfortable shooting insulin, is key to the success of this group. You'd be amazed how many kitties land in shelters following a diagnosis. I encourage you to consider giving another extra sweet kitty a chance at some time in the future.

For now, know that you did your best. And don't hesitate to question any treatment your vet recommends in the future. And do your homework - because sometimes WE are the ones that initiate treatments for our kitties (and dogs) - as we know them better than our vets ever will.

Hugs to you and your family. May you rest easy in knowing that Stray is whole, happy and healthy again. Peace to you all.

Lu-Ann
 
Well as far as healthy lo-carb treats that my gang of 14 all like:

Bites of raw meat..beef, chicken or turkey
Plain without seasonings boiled chicken breasts or thighs.
Sardines packed in water
Bites of canned human tuna in water
and boiled popcorn shrimp
Oh ...and Lo-fat cream cheese

Of course I can't speak for all kitties but I have a pretty wide range of ages and purrsonalities :lol: And the above list are the ones they all can agree on. :roll:

Mel, Maxwell, Autumn & The Fur Gang
 
Grayson & Lu said:
Hi Sarah -

So sorry for the pain you and your family are experiencing. Sounds like Stray had a lot going on, and I don't know that there was much more you might have done to result in a different outcome. Nevertheless, it's sad when we lose one of our babies.

You mentioned she had Hyper-thyroid (high) issues at age 3. My boy Grayson has hypo-thryroid (low) as a result of radiation treatment. When this side effect first came up, I did a little research and was startled to learn that thyroid issues can sometimes result in an early death. Whether it was treated or not, the thyroid gland impacts a lot of functions of the body, and in this case, could have contributed to a lot of the issues she had.

It would be nice if our vets would direct newly diagnosed FDs to this board. There are so many things we learn when we come here, and even years thereafter. My vet actually encouraged another client to home test, and asked me if I'd help him. She has seen first hand how much a "hands-on" approach by the caregiver can impact their care.

Although you no longer have a diabetic kitty, you may at some time wish to give another kitty a fighting chance. DCIN - Diabetic Cats in Need - is always looking for fosters and permanent homes for wonderful diabetic kitties. Some have gone completely into remission ("off the juice") just by a food change. Having an experienced pet parent that isn't afraid to commit the time and is comfortable shooting insulin, is key to the success of this group. You'd be amazed how many kitties land in shelters following a diagnosis. I encourage you to consider giving another extra sweet kitty a chance at some time in the future.

For now, know that you did your best. And don't hesitate to question any treatment your vet recommends in the future. And do your homework - because sometimes WE are the ones that initiate treatments for our kitties (and dogs) - as we know them better than our vets ever will.

Hugs to you and your family. May you rest easy in knowing that Stray is whole, happy and healthy again. Peace to you all.

Lu-Ann



Thank you

I find this very interesting. I am going to search around and see what I find on the thyroid topic.

I think one day I might give one a nice home, I have a soft spot for senior pets up for adoption when I see them on posts on various shelter's websites as it is and now I will likely have an even bigger soft spot for diabetics, too. :)

I have actually never gone and adopted a cat from a shelter because all of my life they have found us. Needless to say, if this ever stops or slows down, I'd be there adopting in no time!

Thank you for all of the information and kind words, it means a lot.
 
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