Re: 9/26 PowderAMPS356 PMPS 412

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This morning he seems back to his day one AmPS when starting Lantus. Will do tests every 2 hrs through +6 since he dropped so much yesterday. If he's ok then I'll give his poor ears a break. He finished the 1/4 left over from his last feed before AMPS. Not eating that much today will keep trying to entice him.
 
Re: 9/26 PowderAMPS356 +2 242

Some people have very good results when they feed mini meals in the beginning of the cycle to slow down the drops.
did he eat yet?
If he will eat, try giving him a teaspoonful or 2 of LC food now and then test at +3 and give a little more LC.
that was over 100 points that he dropped so I do hope he is eating....
 
Re: 9/26 PowderAMPS356 +2 242

Just a quick question... Did you pick up food 2 hours before your shot time? I couldn't tell from your post. You don't want food to influence your pre-shot number so it's best to make sure the food is removed by +10.
 
Re: 9/26 PowderAMPS356 +2 242 +4 66 +5 41

I don' t know when he ate the rest of his food but there are a couple of issues here that are a concern for me. One he desperately needs to gain weight and since everything he needs to eat is lc he needs to eat often. He lost more than 1/2 his body weight. Second even in his preDB life he has never been a big eater preferring to snack. His overall size is that of a six month old kitten of a typical breed. Most of the AMPS on SS were without food when I knew he ate a lot at 11pm and I didn't leave any down or he wouldn't eat what was left. He is a tough cookie and just because he loved something once he may not eat it for a week including gravies. he licked a little then walked away still didn't eat :evil:

Here we go again :sad: While I was typing I had to check him +5 41 desperate to stop the decline i tried what I never thought he'd eat it is so disgusting fake maple syrup on roasted turkey ew HE ATE IT. Will check in 5.

BG 100. I'm using his pads now ears must be sore.

I have a thought and wonder what you think. My BGs were higher than my MD and I wanted. Kept increasing glimeperide. Then started on a new med that slowed down digestion and still no big change until decreased glimeperide. Seems my body had been trying to keep BG up by dumping glucose. After totally stopping glimeperide my BGs are great and my A1c dropped a whole point. Is it possible that Powder's dose is too high so he drops low and then he dumps glucose to compensate? If I hadn't got him to eat he surely would have been below 40 so should he have a decrease again tonight?
 
Re: 9/26 PowderAMPS356 +2 242 +4 66 +5 41

ok. I would test in another 1/2 hour to see where she is when the syrup wears off. Also, Powder has earned another dose reduction, to 0.5 units. :mrgreen:
 
Re: 9/26 PowderAMPS356 +2 242 +4 66 +5 41

+5.30 220 Since close to +6 can I wait "til +7 or +8 to test again? I haven't done anything today but taking care of puss kitty even pooches haven't eaten :sad: . Powder is definitely not imprssed with pad testing cat(2)_steam So went back to the ears he got through three though.
 
Re: 9/26 PowderAMPS356 +2 242 +4 66 +5 41

it looks like the bounce has started, you can wait a couple of hours to test again.
 
Re: 9/26 PowderAMPS356 +2 242 +4 66 +5 41

thanks Libby I'm so glad you were here to advise so are the dogs :lol: . I'm slow at this and had already done +6 a whopping 320. Since Powdy Boy is so picky can I use a people gravy?
 
Re: 9/26 PowderAMPS356 +2 242 +4 66 +5 41

The only issue with people gravy is that we don't know the carb content and there's likely to be onions in it. Onions are really bad for kitties.

Most kitties will eat gravy (cat food type). For whatever reason, they will also eat syrup (maple, Karo, honey, etc.) and will eat if their numbers are low. If Powder gets fussy about kitty gravy, mixing syrup into LC or like you did today should work. Several people here who have kitties with IBD or gluten sensitivities mix Karo into LC food to bump up numbers. If Powder likes baby food, you could always mix gravy or syrup into that.
 
Re: 9/26 PowderAMPS356 need feeding advice

here's more numbers for today
+5.15 100
+5.45 220 using as +6 on SS
+8 302
+9 440
+10 439
+11 446
I've bought him many different kinds HALO,Merrick,FF, Whiskas (only 1 gluten free) plus IAMS gravy for dogs.He should find something to like. :roll:

I know I do a dose decrease but what about feeding him and how much? I haven't fed him since +5. Was that ok or should I have? When do I feed him? When would I start to give him hc at what numbers and how much? I know there's so many questions but want to prevent big drop then huge rebound. I always feed him after BG's if he eats then at +5-+6 and @+4-+5 at night. I will give him as much as he eats.

I'm worried about tomorrow am. If I dose him at the usual time I won't be able to test him like weekend. Maybe can come back for +4...Will that be ok?
 
Re: 9/26 PowderAMPS356 need feeding advice

First, food doesn't cause the bounce. Until Powder gets used to spending time in lower numbers, bounces will happen. It's the body's protective mechanism against low BG. Because most of our cats have spent more time than we realize in high BG ranges before we realize they are diabetic, their bodies get used to being in those higher ranges and it becomes their new "normal." Once you start giving insulin, numbers come down but the body, specificially the liver, doesn't view those truly normal ranges as normal any more. As a result, when you get a number like a 41, the liver dumps stored glucose and counterregulatory hormones into the bloodstream and numbers bounce back up (and then some).

How much you feed is based on Powder's weight and how much he wants to eat. Cats that are not yet regulated are usually hungry all the time. It's OK if Powder grazes and if you leave out food most of the time. You just want to do what you can to avoid feeding 2 hours prior to shot time. One calculation for how much food a cat needs is based on calories: Required calories per day = [13.6 X optimal lean body weight in pounds] + 70. This is from Lisa Pierson, DVM's website on feline nutrition.

When you feed is largely trial and error. Most of us do not feed just 2 meals per day. You might want to try feeding at shot time and 2 other times during the day -- +3 and +6. Usually feeding after Lantus action has peaked, may raise numbers. I use a different feeding schedule with Gabby because she tends to have big drops early in the cycle. As a result, I spread her food out over the first several hours of the cycle.

If you see a big drop in numbers, like what you saw between your AMPS and +2, I might have fed a little bit of LC food. I probably would have tested at +3. My guess is that testing at +3 would have told you to feed a bit more LC with the idea that this would have slowed the drop a little. At +4, you could have added a teaspoon or so of gravy which would have slowed things down even more. You definitely give gravy/HC when numbers drop below 50.
 
Re: 9/26 PowderAMPS356 need feeding advice for PM dose

Good to hear from you. At the time he had food down. Which I doctored to get him to eat. tried a different food no dice. He will usually have food down when I work and DD feeds at+4-+5, at nite after L and then +3-+4. He gets at least 4 feedings a day usually more because he needs to fatten up. I
 
G ave 0.5 L put down Evo venison which he usually likes. Sniffed and walked away even though no food since around 2pm. So I grabbed FF turkey grill put 1/3 can on top of venison waved my magic wand and he ate everything :RAHCAT I tried to give him about a couple of Tbsp and never thought he'd it it all. But both were lc so it should be fine. Thanks
 
good luck with the new dose! I'm glad he ate better tonight.

This is one of those days I like to point out to people who don't think testing is important. AMPS 356, PMPS 412. Who would have known there were 40's in between? Good thing you were testing. :mrgreen:
 
Hi Libby and Jazzy

+1 462 and he's meowing and rubbing my legs. Do I give him more or should I wait. How much should I feed for either scenario? Thanks
 
Are you sure FF grilled turkey is low carb? The Turkey & Giblets (Classic) is LC (3%) -- the grilled turkey is 18%. You can always divide up Powder's food for this cycle and feed a little now and then the rest at the usual time.
 
It was Turkey and giblets I looked at all the store had only a few varieties were Glutin free so I couldn't get them. I'm not sure if you saw my post about how much he ate but he ate about 1/2 cup so splitting it up is not an option now. +2 is 485. To feed or not to feed that is the question...to quote that famous author Catspearian :lol:
 
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